Are mob guys packing heat at all times?

[newera_212]

For what it's worth and I always take a lot of what's said to me by this person with a huge grain of salt, my cop friend in Brooklyn says that because of the pandemic and the "new, ultra liberal bullshit", guns aren't even making cases in NYC right now. Everything he reports about the city itself is always peppered with political the-world-is-going-to-hell bullshit, but he's told me that perps are literally getting released on recognizance for first time gun offenses due to the bail reform laws and the pandemic. People getting popped with a gun for the first time, getting the gun seize, going in front of a judge for a scolding and getting ROR'ed. He's saying it'd take a couple times within the same year of getting caught with an illegal gun for you to be prosecuted resulting in prison time. But at the same time also said with the uptick in gang shootings in certain areas in BK, says that priority no. 1 is getting guns off the street.

I know someone who just did about 20 months for a gun crime in NYC and he wasn't even caught with the gun. It was on the roof of his building with his fingerprints on it. So i really don't know what to believe. I think there's not the draconian blanket policy of you doing at least a year no matter what if you're caught with a gun, like it used to be during the Bloomberg years, but the gun laws here are still technically more strict than anywhere else

I always thought from time immemorial that the only time LCN guys carried guns was when they were actually going to use them. I never thought roaming around with a gun was a part of their culture, ever. Given that we know made guys are almost as diverse as regular society itself in how they act, dress, earn, what they do, etc... its almost a given that there are probably guys who carry guns just like there are guys who use and abuse drugs and other things that we'd think are out of character or against their rules.

In the Giallanzo detention memo it said he had a pistol in the back center console of his car in 2006 when he was driving to see his supervised release officer. It claimed he was pulled over for a speeding ticket in BK but the cop never found the gun he had. I'm not sure how that was determined if the cop never found it, or how it made the report. I'm guessing someone was riding with him (Gene?) who knew about or saw the gun, and gave up that info when ratting. Which makes me say if the gun was never found or seen, it had no business being in that report as a strike to be used against him...

[Dave65827]

I think the lower level street guys probably do but not the higher ups. The lower level guy on the street doing drug deals,extorting people and in dangerous situation probably needs it more than a wiseguy CEO sitting in his office pretending to work

And at that it’s probably a case by case

Also Wasn’t Londonio arrested with a bonnano and they both had pistols with lasers and everything?

[newera_212]

I think the lower level street guys probably do but not the higher ups. The lower level guy on the street doing drug deals,extorting people and in dangerous situation probably needs it more than a wiseguy CEO sitting in his office pretending to work

And at that it’s probably a case by case

Also Wasn’t Londonio arrested with a bonnano and they both had pistols with lasers and everything?

Yeah i believe it was in 2015, Londonio was arrested on a gun charge with a Bonnano in the Bronx. I don't remember if it was a federal gun charge or a state, but he was in custody still when the big indictment dropped 2 years later. Maybe it was a state gun charge and the Feds picked it up after he was indicted for the murder.

I remember in the Gang Land that came out after Londonio was popped for the guns, without going and searching for it, I'm almost positive 99% sure that Capeci mistakenly identified Londonio as a Bonanno solider and Maiorino as his capo. I thought that was interesting because it meant that Capeci's source , whether it was the cops, a lawyer, or a street source (if those still exist) had Londonio's status all wrong. That made me wonder if they got anybody else wrong...It seemed like all those relatively younger Bronx guys from at least 3 different families were all working together (pot, etc.)

[Moscone65]

In Canada lots of them do atleast in the past few years because of the war(s).

[TallGuy19]

I wonder if it was more common in smaller families that operated in states with loose gun laws. I live in Kansas, and as long as you're not a felon you can carry a concealed gun anywhere except a school or hospital.

[Momo]

There's no reason to carry a piece if you are a wise guy right now and not in a war. Wise guys aren't killing people everyday like black gangs or any other street gangs.

[queensnyer]

For what it's worth and I always take a lot of what's said to me by this person with a huge grain of salt, my cop friend in Brooklyn says that because of the pandemic and the "new, ultra liberal bullshit", guns aren't even making cases in NYC right now. Everything he reports about the city itself is always peppered with political the-world-is-going-to-hell bullshit, but he's told me that perps are literally getting released on recognizance for first time gun offenses due to the bail reform laws and the pandemic. People getting popped with a gun for the first time, getting the gun seize, going in front of a judge for a scolding and getting ROR'ed. He's saying it'd take a couple times within the same year of getting caught with an illegal gun for you to be prosecuted resulting in prison time. But at the same time also said with the uptick in gang shootings in certain areas in BK, says that priority no. 1 is getting guns off the street.

I know someone who just did about 20 months for a gun crime in NYC and he wasn't even caught with the gun. It was on the roof of his building with his fingerprints on it. So i really don't know what to believe. I think there's not the draconian blanket policy of you doing at least a year no matter what if you're caught with a gun, like it used to be during the Bloomberg years, but the gun laws here are still technically more strict than anywhere else

I always thought from time immemorial that the only time LCN guys carried guns was when they were actually going to use them. I never thought roaming around with a gun was a part of their culture, ever. Given that we know made guys are almost as diverse as regular society itself in how they act, dress, earn, what they do, etc... its almost a given that there are probably guys who carry guns just like there are guys who use and abuse drugs and other things that we'd think are out of character or against their rules.

In the Giallanzo detention memo it said he had a pistol in the back center console of his car in 2006 when he was driving to see his supervised release officer. It claimed he was pulled over for a speeding ticket in BK but the cop never found the gun he had. I'm not sure how that was determined if the cop never found it, or how it made the report. I'm guessing someone was riding with him (Gene?) who knew about or saw the gun, and gave up that info when ratting. Which makes me say if the gun was never found or seen, it had no business being in that report as a strike to be used against him...

as far as i know you get caught with an illegal gun(in nyc like 99%) , ghost gun, or defaced gun and you will do time.. with bail reform and corona you have a good chance of getting ror'd but thats just until trial or a plea is taken. id stay in and get the credit for the time served personally. nyc dont play with guns. as far as made men with guns...i wouldnt be surprised to know some have never even touched one these days