Cosa Nostra vs ‘Ndrangheta

[Strax]

Also when few years ago they wanted to kill Nino Di Matteo, turncoat said that same people who wanted Falcone and Borsellino dead ordered it, Matteo Messina Denaro said "it had to be done". Explosive were sent from Calabria

[CabriniGreen]

In Sicily, they cant really even meet without walking into police, Inzerillo wires confirm this. They are still reeling from Riinas stupidity. This is why politically they might have dropped a notch.....

remember that behind the massacres of the 1980s and 1990s there is not only riina/cosa nostra, but very powerful people as freemasons, politiciansa adn businessmen, probably even foreign entity as lybian secret services, the situation is by far more complex than just totò riina reputed stupidity

Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

@ Strax

I just posted about the Mancusos... how the territory Vibo Valentia had one of the highest concentrations of masonic lodges in Italy. And yet, they were undermined by other Crimines in Calabria. It was pretty interesting, that whole operation.

[aleksandrored]

In Sicily, they cant really even meet without walking into police, Inzerillo wires confirm this. They are still reeling from Riinas stupidity. This is why politically they might have dropped a notch.....

remember that behind the massacres of the 1980s and 1990s there is not only riina/cosa nostra, but very powerful people as freemasons, politiciansa adn businessmen, probably even foreign entity as lybian secret services, the situation is by far more complex than just totò riina reputed stupidity

Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

@ Strax

I just posted about the Mancusos... how the territory Vibo Valentia had one of the highest concentrations of masonic lodges in Italy. And yet, they were undermined by other Crimines in Calabria. It was pretty interesting, that whole operation.

It was bad, after the arrests in the 90s Cosa Nostra lost a lot of strength, differently from the 80s when they were at the height of their power, I believe that after Riina's arrest the Organization became a little disoriented and gradually recovered.

[scagghiuni]

Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

[Etna]

Guys like Vito Palazzolo make me realize how powerful these groups are/were.

[CabriniGreen]

Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

I saw the articles ages ago... it's not new. You just cant convince me the masonry told them to go kill up half the mafia. Falcone, Borsellino, ok. But even that seemed too loud. If they are so powerful, they shoulda found a dozen ways to neutralize these guys.

[Strax]

the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

Exactly, the "real power and real brains" behind the mafia remains untouched. Street guys are easily replaceable, the real change will happen IF they manage to take down the politicians, businessman and other "white collar" criminals. Even if they get arrested they either get released or sentenced to house arrest.

[CabriniGreen]

Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

I saw the articles ages ago... it's not new. You just cant convince me the masonry told them to go kill up half the mafia. Falcone, Borsellino, ok. But even that seemed too loud. If they are so powerful, they shoulda found a dozen ways to neutralize these guys.

So you guys think these people ordered all the EXTRA murders? Like not Falcone and Borsellino, and the "distinguished corpses", all the other mafiosi. To what end? The mafiosi didn't possess state secrets.

What was these peoples actual goal? Just to stop the investigations? Or something deeper? Like Sindonas insane independent Sicily plot? Was that the endgame?

If you wanna swindle the state, then swindle the state. How the fuck can you swindle the state, if you reduce it to chaos or ashes?

I guess it makes sense from the perspective of the "Real mafia", the " Don Luchesi" types. But dont try to convince me this was good for Cosa Nostra. Like jesus christ, just order John Gambino to take the fuckin fall.
Spatola, you are taking the fucking fall.

Boom, problem stopped. Raffaele Valente took the fall, the Calabrian guy hung himself. Its baffling to me that they thought it a better idea to blow up bridges n shit, then for the point man to take the fall, and keep his mouth shut.

I mean imagine they go through with hitting Guiliani?
Imagine Basciano hits that prosecutor? And what good is the Sicilian mob to these people if they cant organize properly?

[scagghiuni]

Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

I saw the articles ages ago... it's not new. You just cant convince me the masonry told them to go kill up half the mafia. Falcone, Borsellino, ok. But even that seemed too loud. If they are so powerful, they shoulda found a dozen ways to neutralize these guys.

you followed the trials?

[CabriniGreen]

Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

I saw the articles ages ago... it's not new. You just cant convince me the masonry told them to go kill up half the mafia. Falcone, Borsellino, ok. But even that seemed too loud. If they are so powerful, they shoulda found a dozen ways to neutralize these guys.

you followed the trials?

A little, I remember when the witnesses came up missing. I just cant see the point of it all..

Of the 12 things they asked for, did they get anything?
Actually, 41bis was repealed or something, right?
But Riina never got out, and they reconciled with Palermo.

What did all that carnage actually accomplish?

[CabriniGreen]

Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

I saw the articles ages ago... it's not new. You just cant convince me the masonry told them to go kill up half the mafia. Falcone, Borsellino, ok. But even that seemed too loud. If they are so powerful, they shoulda found a dozen ways to neutralize these guys.

you followed the trials?

I actually check the Italian OC news much more often than American news.

[scagghiuni]

the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

Exactly, the "real power and real brains" behind the mafia remains untouched. Street guys are easily replaceable, the real change will happen IF they manage to take down the politicians, businessman and other "white collar" criminals. Even if they get arrested they either get released or sentenced to house arrest.

this, the real strenght of cosa nostra (but also ndrangheta and camorra) are the connections with powerful people politicians, businessmen, lawyers, and especially freemasons, withouth it they would be just gangs of jackals as some turncoat said

[scagghiuni]

So you guys think these people ordered all the EXTRA murders? Like not Falcone and Borsellino, and the "distinguished corpses", all the other mafiosi. To what end? The mafiosi didn't possess state secrets.

What was these peoples actual goal? Just to stop the investigations? Or something deeper? Like Sindonas insane independent Sicily plot? Was that the endgame?

somebody used riina to kill falcone, borsellino and many others, the 904 slaughters and the ones rome, milan and florence were also plannned by these people (sure some occult masonic lodge, P2 or whatever), call them stupid, okay, but it was not totò riina alone who ordered it, that's100% sure

[Strax]

somebody used riina to kill falcone, borsellino and many others, the 904 slaughters and the ones rome, milan and florence were also plannned by these people (sure some occult masonic lodge, P2 or whatever), call them stupid, okay, but it was not totò riina alone who ordered it, that's100% sure

They are far from stupid , they had their reasons , creating chaos for various reasons. Remember that after Riina's arrest , his house did not have surveillance at one point and when police came back house was empty, they did that to further protect themselves and any evidence of them.

[scagghiuni]

somebody used riina to kill falcone, borsellino and many others, the 904 slaughters and the ones rome, milan and florence were also plannned by these people (sure some occult masonic lodge, P2 or whatever), call them stupid, okay, but it was not totò riina alone who ordered it, that's100% sure

They are far from stupid , they had their reasons , creating chaos for various reasons. Remember that after Riina's arrest , his house did not have surveillance at one point and when police came back house was empty, they did that to further protect themselves and any evidence of them.

berlusconi and dell'utri are actually under investigation but there are sure others people, secret services agents and many others; a member of libyan secret service is also under investigation