Albert Vena

[furiofromnaples]

The most dangerous man in Chicago apparently.

In Chicago there are more dangerous oc gruops more violent then the Outfit,Vena isn't the most dangerous man in Chitown.

Who? Tizzuni? They are dumb monkey gangbangers. Cartel? The panozzo crew under vena were gonna rob a supposed cartel stash house so they didn’t care. They also robbed Hispanic gang drug houses. I think the guys in Chicago can still get shit done, they just don’t blast each other in the streets. Murders go under the radar all the time. Like the guy Chucks Russell killed, we never got more info. Just this week a mob associate from Toronto was killed in Mexico and it was not covered by any news outlets.

Give me a break. There are groups in Chicongo that are 100s of times bigger than the Outfit, that dwarf them in the money making department and that have killed more people than cancer. Vena wouldn't even make a top thousand list of the most dangerous men in that city. The remaining geezers that make up the Outfit are relics from a bygone era.


Pogo

Why dont you gangbang with them pogo? I’m sure those groups of well organized 20 something year old black and Hispanic boys are really racking in the dough. Maybe that’s why they are always making rap videos

Come on Moscone65 in Chicago there the Latin Kings,the Outlaw mc and other gangs that have thousands of men on the streets,you dont really think that 20-30 made men made more money only because run few white collar rackets.

[Moscone65]

The most dangerous man in Chicago apparently.

In Chicago there are more dangerous oc gruops more violent then the Outfit,Vena isn't the most dangerous man in Chitown.

Who? Tizzuni? They are dumb monkey gangbangers. Cartel? The panozzo crew under vena were gonna rob a supposed cartel stash house so they didn’t care. They also robbed Hispanic gang drug houses. I think the guys in Chicago can still get shit done, they just don’t blast each other in the streets. Murders go under the radar all the time. Like the guy Chucks Russell killed, we never got more info. Just this week a mob associate from Toronto was killed in Mexico and it was not covered by any news outlets.

Give me a break. There are groups in Chicongo that are 100s of times bigger than the Outfit, that dwarf them in the money making department and that have killed more people than cancer. Vena wouldn't even make a top thousand list of the most dangerous men in that city. The remaining geezers that make up the Outfit are relics from a bygone era.


Pogo

Why dont you gangbang with them pogo? I’m sure those groups of well organized 20 something year old black and Hispanic boys are really racking in the dough. Maybe that’s why they are always making rap videos

Come on Moscone65 in Chicago there the Latin Kings,the Outlaw mc and other gangs that have thousands of men on the streets,you dont really think that 20-30 made men made more money only because run few white collar rackets.

I know furio, and I don’t doubt some of those guys like to shoot and kill and rob ect, but don’t underestimate the outfit, they’ve been around for well over 100 years, I’m sure they have some shit under their sleeves. They are different types of criminal organizations entirely, it’s like comparing apples to oranges. If somebody crosses albie vena, I’m sure he has tons of guys at his disposal he could send after them. That includes street gang members ect.

[NothingNew44]

I can’t tell if you believe the stuff you say or you’re just trolling. Either way you’re entertaining. So law enforcement at every level in that city has come out numerous times and said they aren’t a top priority any more. There influence has been diminished. This isn’t because they are so secret and LE is unaware but simply “the Outfit” being far less active then other criminal groups, If at all. There are a few old guys left and perhaps some middle aged ones as well committing low end street crime. But as a criminal power they are not. The Outfit is done. It’s been dying for a long time. Which is why you have local news doing stories on theair lack of relevance in its current state. Or guys like Frank jr openly doing tours discussing mob activities from an era past. There’s nothing really there.

[Hired_Goonz]

Most dangerous man in Chicago? Maybe behind the wheel of a car.

[Moscone65]

I honestly think a lot of you guys in here really don’t understand what the mafia is in 2020. It’s not what it was 30-40 years ago or more. In some places it’s died down to remnants. But in a lot of the old strongholds they are making their money and “crimes” are still being committed. It’s still around, and if someone gets in the way of them making money, they will act upon it.

[Moscone65]

I can’t tell if you believe the stuff you say or you’re just trolling. Either way you’re entertaining. So law enforcement at every level in that city has come out numerous times and said they aren’t a top priority any more. There influence has been diminished. This isn’t because they are so secret and LE is unaware but simply “the Outfit” being far less active then other criminal groups, If at all. There are a few old guys left and perhaps some middle aged ones as well committing low end street crime. But as a criminal power they are not. The Outfit is done. It’s been dying for a long time. Which is why you have local news doing stories on theair lack of relevance in its current state. Or guys like Frank jr openly doing tours discussing mob activities from an era past. There’s nothing really there.
What are they gonna do, beat up frank, threaten him? Or maybe shoot him dead and get an investigation opened on them? If he wants to talk about guys who are long dead or in jail, guys like jimmy inenedino, albie or tony dote don’t really care.

[Pogo The Clown]

I can’t tell if you believe the stuff you say or you’re just trolling. Either way you’re entertaining. So law enforcement at every level in that city has come out numerous times and said they aren’t a top priority any more. There influence has been diminished. This isn’t because they are so secret and LE is unaware but simply “the Outfit” being far less active then other criminal groups, If at all. There are a few old guys left and perhaps some middle aged ones as well committing low end street crime. But as a criminal power they are not. The Outfit is done. It’s been dying for a long time. Which is why you have local news doing stories on theair lack of relevance in its current state. Or guys like Frank jr openly doing tours discussing mob activities from an era past. There’s nothing really there.

Exactly. He acts like it is still 1950 when White mobsters ran the streets. It is 2020 and Chicongo is a non-White city. There are black and Latino gangs that number in the multiple thousands (some may even break 10,000 members) who quite literally run entire sections of the city and who kill hundreds of people a year with impunity. They run the streets. Not some geriatrics who at this point likely don't even number 100 criminally active individuals.

Most dangerous man in Chicago? Maybe behind the wheel of a car.

There are many gang members in Chicongo that have killed more people on a slow Saturday night than Vena has killed in his entire life.


Pogo

[Moscone65]

I can’t tell if you believe the stuff you say or you’re just trolling. Either way you’re entertaining. So law enforcement at every level in that city has come out numerous times and said they aren’t a top priority any more. There influence has been diminished. This isn’t because they are so secret and LE is unaware but simply “the Outfit” being far less active then other criminal groups, If at all. There are a few old guys left and perhaps some middle aged ones as well committing low end street crime. But as a criminal power they are not. The Outfit is done. It’s been dying for a long time. Which is why you have local news doing stories on theair lack of relevance in its current state. Or guys like Frank jr openly doing tours discussing mob activities from an era past. There’s nothing really there.

Exactly. He acts like it is still 1950 when White mobsters ran the streets. It is 2020 and Chicongo is a non-White city. There are black and Latino gangs that number in the multiple thousands (some may even break 10,000 members) who quite literally run entire sections of the city and who kill hundreds of people a year with impunity. They run the streets. Not some geriatrics who at this point likely don't even number 100 criminally active individuals.

Most dangerous man in Chicago? Maybe behind the wheel of a car.

There are many gang members in Chicongo that have killed more people on a slow Saturday night than Vena has killed in his entire life.


Pogo

Pogo, you are trying to compare the outfit to street gangs. That’s apples to oranges. If a couple of guys come and somehow cut out albie venas earnings from gambling machines, what would he do? Maybe send a couple of meatheads like Paul carparelli did to go rough them up and threaten them. If they retaliated what would he do? Probably get a lower ranking guy to hire some street gang members for a G to go and shoot them. At the end of the day people like albie are psychos and even if they are old frail men, they will still be able and willing to go through the proper channels to find someone that can do it. You don’t think there’s no middle aged blue collar guys who are missing some screws and wanna be hooked up with the outfit? Sure there are. Some are Italians, some polacks, micks, ect.

[Moscone65]

Tell me what gangs in Chicago are making money from gambling machines, getting kickbacks and preferential jobs from legal companies, or loan out 20k? Wait oh ya, all they mostly do is deal dope and shoot each other

[Pete]

The most dangerous man in Chicago apparently.

In Chicago there are more dangerous oc gruops more violent then the Outfit,Vena isn't the most dangerous man in Chitown.

Who? Tizzuni? They are dumb monkey gangbangers. Cartel? The panozzo crew under vena were gonna rob a supposed cartel stash house so they didn’t care. They also robbed Hispanic gang drug houses. I think the guys in Chicago can still get shit done, they just don’t blast each other in the streets. Murders go under the radar all the time. Like the guy Chucks Russell killed, we never got more info. Just this week a mob associate from Toronto was killed in Mexico and it was not covered by any news outlets.

Give me a break. There are groups in Chicongo that are 100s of times bigger than the Outfit, that dwarf them in the money making department and that have killed more people than cancer. Vena wouldn't even make a top thousand list of the most dangerous men in that city. The remaining geezers that make up the Outfit are relics from a bygone era.


Pogo

This 100% true the gangs and cartel people are in a different league. Albie has beat a murder beef he doesn’t want the heat. There was a wiretap and he was asked permission to hit someone he said no he didn’t want the heat. These cartels will kill an entire family women and kids and not think twice. Maybe most dangerous outfit guy but that’s even debatable. I’ve gone through this before but active known made outfit guys is down to like 10-12.

[Pete]

I can’t tell if you believe the stuff you say or you’re just trolling. Either way you’re entertaining. So law enforcement at every level in that city has come out numerous times and said they aren’t a top priority any more. There influence has been diminished. This isn’t because they are so secret and LE is unaware but simply “the Outfit” being far less active then other criminal groups, If at all. There are a few old guys left and perhaps some middle aged ones as well committing low end street crime. But as a criminal power they are not. The Outfit is done. It’s been dying for a long time. Which is why you have local news doing stories on theair lack of relevance in its current state. Or guys like Frank jr openly doing tours discussing mob activities from an era past. There’s nothing really there.

Exactly. He acts like it is still 1950 when White mobsters ran the streets. It is 2020 and Chicongo is a non-White city. There are black and Latino gangs that number in the multiple thousands (some may even break 10,000 members) who quite literally run entire sections of the city and who kill hundreds of people a year with impunity. They run the streets. Not some geriatrics who at this point likely don't even number 100 criminally active individuals.

Most dangerous man in Chicago? Maybe behind the wheel of a car.

There are many gang members in Chicongo that have killed more people on a slow Saturday night than Vena has killed in his entire life.


Pogo

Chicago is a non white city as far as crime. The majority of what you said is correct. Different neighborhoods are run by different gangs and have very tight control. Yes they do not engage necessarily in the outfits traditional moneymakers but you can’t compare power. The vice lords, God’s, 4 corner hustlers, then the kings, Spanish Disciples have manpower that the outfit never had. No doubt at one time vena was a very dangerous guy but like my other post said he goes away from violence now

[furiofromnaples]

I honestly think a lot of you guys in here really don’t understand what the mafia is in 2020. It’s not what it was 30-40 years ago or more. In some places it’s died down to remnants. But in a lot of the old strongholds they are making their money and “crimes” are still being committed. It’s still around, and if someone gets in the way of them making money, they will act upon it.

Chicago isnt NY,no more little italy or full italian hoods maybe in the 1980s when the Outfit still controlled the First Ward and the police,they can order to a dirty cop to kidnap a criminal for kill him but now for sure they are still active but lostcthe politica power and the grip in the police.
They still made money but the good times are finished.

[Moscone65]

I honestly think a lot of you guys in here really don’t understand what the mafia is in 2020. It’s not what it was 30-40 years ago or more. In some places it’s died down to remnants. But in a lot of the old strongholds they are making their money and “crimes” are still being committed. It’s still around, and if someone gets in the way of them making money, they will act upon it.

Chicago isnt NY,no more little italy or full italian hoods maybe in the 1980s when the Outfit still controlled the First Ward and the police,they can order to a dirty cop to kidnap a criminal for kill him but now for sure they are still active but lostcthe politica power and the grip in the police.
They still made money but the good times are finished.

Chicago still has little Italy’s (Taylor street) and places like grand avenue. Taylor street is similar to mulberry street, almost no Italians live there anymore, just some businesses for tourists and shit, maybe a couple of restaurants owned by connected guys, not like the old days where they were mob hubs. In Chicago there are aldermen as of late who have ties to outfit guys, look it up.

[PolackTony]

Unclear how this has even turned into a multi page "argument". While I don't think the Outfit's ability to inflict harm is zero -- I think Vena et al are still dangerous and nasty people that I wouldn't want to get on the bad side of -- Chicago is an easy city to get yourself killed in and throwback Goomba Nonnos are way down on my list of things to worry about when I go back to visit. If you stay away from whatever is left of the Outfit they will never have any reason to hurt you. Even at the height of their power and viciousness of course they rarely hurt anyone who wasn't part of the underworld, which is why people in their communities not only tolerated but often loved many of the bosses. Today you can get yourself killed by a van full of shooters with AR-15s for driving in the wrong car or turning down the wrong street.

Hispanic gangs have been the successor mafia in Chicago for years. Organizations like the LKs and MLDs have membership in the thousands, are vertically organized, have top ranking members pulling in millions from drugs and weapons sales, and have been succesful at laundering those revenues into legit business and real estate as well. They're plugged in clout heavy city and county departments -- Streets and San, Water Reclamation District -- and have long had alderman and other public officials (the longstanding ties between Dick Mell and the MLDs is a great example). In coming years Hispanics in Chicago will continue to assimilate and take on positions of power and influence, and in this way they are following the model set by the Italians before them.

[Pogo The Clown]

Chicago is a non white city as far as crime. The majority of what you said is correct. Different neighborhoods are run by different gangs and have very tight control. Yes they do not engage necessarily in the outfits traditional moneymakers but you can’t compare power. The vice lords, God’s, 4 corner hustlers, then the kings, Spanish Disciples have manpower that the outfit never had. No doubt at one time vena was a very dangerous guy but like my other post said he goes away from violence now

I did a search and according to LE there are 117,000 gang members in 55 known gangs in the city. That averages out to over 2,000 members per gsng.


Pogo