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Re: 1976 Commission Meeting (and 1976 Gambino Family Meeting)

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Snakes wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:39 pm High level CI provided information concerning a Gambino Family meeting in October 1976.

In attendance were Paul Castellano, Joe N. Gallo, and several capos. In this meeting, it was agreed that Castellano and Gallo would run the organization until Neil Dellacroce was released from prison, at which point he would take over as boss. It was also agreed among the attendees that payments would be funneled to Gallo who would in turn make Castellano aware of what each crew was kicking up.

The capos in attendance were David Amoedo, Nick Patti, Terry Zappi, Frank Piccolo, Frank Perrone, and three redacted names (one of whom may be Nino Gaggi).

Source also provided information that Gallo was a popular choice among the capos to take over as boss and had the support of the majority but made it known that he didn't want the position. It appears that Dellacroce also refused if the earlier information about Castellano and Gallo saving the spot for Dellacroce is believed.

A later meeting was held in December 1976, after Dellacroce's release from prison. After dining, Castellano made the announcement that he had been "nominated" to head the family, appointing Dellacroce as underboss. Castellano wished to install Gallo as consigliere and the capos approved of both choices.

Castellano went on to say that the family would be run the same as it was under Gambino and that prostitution and narcotics would be forbidden. Castellano was also interested in making contacts in Atlantic City so that when the hotels and casinos opened in the near future the Gambinos would have "friends." Castellano made it clear that any contact made with Atlantic City would have to be reported to the administration.

At the end of the meeting, Casellano stated that this would be the last gathering of "all" the capos and went on to tell Frank Piccolo to go to Providence and inform Raymond Patriarca that Castellano was the new boss of the Gambinos.

Despite Gallo being voted in as consigliere at this meeting, it appears that a few individuals wanted Joe Zingaro appointed instead but were overruled. Amodeo and one or two (it's hard to tell) redacted names backed Zingaro. In addition to Amodeo and Piccolo, other capos present at the meeting Zappi, Perrone, Zingaro, and Peter Stincone, along with three redacted names.

Both of these meetings were at private residences so I wonder if either was the one described in Murder Machine with Montiglio in the attic? It would need to be the December meeting, right? I can't find my copy at the moment so I can't remember his exact story.
B posted about this meeting over a year ago.....

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=4254&p=100021&hilit=Amodeo#p100021
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Re: 1976 Commission Meeting (and 1976 Gambino Family Meeting)

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johnny_scootch wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:20 am
Snakes wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:39 pm High level CI provided information concerning a Gambino Family meeting in October 1976.

In attendance were Paul Castellano, Joe N. Gallo, and several capos. In this meeting, it was agreed that Castellano and Gallo would run the organization until Neil Dellacroce was released from prison, at which point he would take over as boss. It was also agreed among the attendees that payments would be funneled to Gallo who would in turn make Castellano aware of what each crew was kicking up.

The capos in attendance were David Amoedo, Nick Patti, Terry Zappi, Frank Piccolo, Frank Perrone, and three redacted names (one of whom may be Nino Gaggi).

Source also provided information that Gallo was a popular choice among the capos to take over as boss and had the support of the majority but made it known that he didn't want the position. It appears that Dellacroce also refused if the earlier information about Castellano and Gallo saving the spot for Dellacroce is believed.

A later meeting was held in December 1976, after Dellacroce's release from prison. After dining, Castellano made the announcement that he had been "nominated" to head the family, appointing Dellacroce as underboss. Castellano wished to install Gallo as consigliere and the capos approved of both choices.

Castellano went on to say that the family would be run the same as it was under Gambino and that prostitution and narcotics would be forbidden. Castellano was also interested in making contacts in Atlantic City so that when the hotels and casinos opened in the near future the Gambinos would have "friends." Castellano made it clear that any contact made with Atlantic City would have to be reported to the administration.

At the end of the meeting, Casellano stated that this would be the last gathering of "all" the capos and went on to tell Frank Piccolo to go to Providence and inform Raymond Patriarca that Castellano was the new boss of the Gambinos.

Despite Gallo being voted in as consigliere at this meeting, it appears that a few individuals wanted Joe Zingaro appointed instead but were overruled. Amodeo and one or two (it's hard to tell) redacted names backed Zingaro. In addition to Amodeo and Piccolo, other capos present at the meeting Zappi, Perrone, Zingaro, and Peter Stincone, along with three redacted names.

Both of these meetings were at private residences so I wonder if either was the one described in Murder Machine with Montiglio in the attic? It would need to be the December meeting, right? I can't find my copy at the moment so I can't remember his exact story.
B posted about this meeting over a year ago.....

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=4254&p=100021&hilit=Amodeo#p100021
Ah, sorry. I even posted in that thread! This was just something that I found with the Commission meeting info. Thanks to B for initially discovering it.
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Re: 1976 Commission Meeting (and 1976 Gambino Family Meeting)

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Snakes wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:28 am
johnny_scootch wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:20 am
Snakes wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:39 pm High level CI provided information concerning a Gambino Family meeting in October 1976.

In attendance were Paul Castellano, Joe N. Gallo, and several capos. In this meeting, it was agreed that Castellano and Gallo would run the organization until Neil Dellacroce was released from prison, at which point he would take over as boss. It was also agreed among the attendees that payments would be funneled to Gallo who would in turn make Castellano aware of what each crew was kicking up.

The capos in attendance were David Amoedo, Nick Patti, Terry Zappi, Frank Piccolo, Frank Perrone, and three redacted names (one of whom may be Nino Gaggi).

Source also provided information that Gallo was a popular choice among the capos to take over as boss and had the support of the majority but made it known that he didn't want the position. It appears that Dellacroce also refused if the earlier information about Castellano and Gallo saving the spot for Dellacroce is believed.

A later meeting was held in December 1976, after Dellacroce's release from prison. After dining, Castellano made the announcement that he had been "nominated" to head the family, appointing Dellacroce as underboss. Castellano wished to install Gallo as consigliere and the capos approved of both choices.

Castellano went on to say that the family would be run the same as it was under Gambino and that prostitution and narcotics would be forbidden. Castellano was also interested in making contacts in Atlantic City so that when the hotels and casinos opened in the near future the Gambinos would have "friends." Castellano made it clear that any contact made with Atlantic City would have to be reported to the administration.

At the end of the meeting, Casellano stated that this would be the last gathering of "all" the capos and went on to tell Frank Piccolo to go to Providence and inform Raymond Patriarca that Castellano was the new boss of the Gambinos.

Despite Gallo being voted in as consigliere at this meeting, it appears that a few individuals wanted Joe Zingaro appointed instead but were overruled. Amodeo and one or two (it's hard to tell) redacted names backed Zingaro. In addition to Amodeo and Piccolo, other capos present at the meeting Zappi, Perrone, Zingaro, and Peter Stincone, along with three redacted names.

Both of these meetings were at private residences so I wonder if either was the one described in Murder Machine with Montiglio in the attic? It would need to be the December meeting, right? I can't find my copy at the moment so I can't remember his exact story.
B posted about this meeting over a year ago.....

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=4254&p=100021&hilit=Amodeo#p100021
Ah, sorry. I even posted in that thread! This was just something that I found with the Commission meeting info. Thanks to B for initially discovering it.
You shouldve sticked only to the Chicago involvment and it was going to be a brand new and different subject
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Re: 1976 Commission Meeting (and 1976 Gambino Family Meeting)

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Extortion wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:04 am
Snakes wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:39 pm High level CI provided information concerning a Gambino Family meeting in October 1976.

In attendance were Paul Castellano, Joe N. Gallo, and several capos. In this meeting, it was agreed that Castellano and Gallo would run the organization until Neil Dellacroce was released from prison, at which point he would take over as boss. It was also agreed among the attendees that payments would be funneled to Gallo who would in turn make Castellano aware of what each crew was kicking up.

The capos in attendance were David Amoedo, Nick Patti, Terry Zappi, Frank Piccolo, Frank Perrone, and three redacted names (one of whom may be Nino Gaggi).

Source also provided information that Gallo was a popular choice among the capos to take over as boss and had the support of the majority but made it known that he didn't want the position. It appears that Dellacroce also refused if the earlier information about Castellano and Gallo saving the spot for Dellacroce is believed.

A later meeting was held in December 1976, after Dellacroce's release from prison. After dining, Castellano made the announcement that he had been "nominated" to head the family, appointing Dellacroce as underboss. Castellano wished to install Gallo as consigliere and the capos approved of both choices.

Castellano went on to say that the family would be run the same as it was under Gambino and that prostitution and narcotics would be forbidden. Castellano was also interested in making contacts in Atlantic City so that when the hotels and casinos opened in the near future the Gambinos would have "friends." Castellano made it clear that any contact made with Atlantic City would have to be reported to the administration.

At the end of the meeting, Casellano stated that this would be the last gathering of "all" the capos and went on to tell Frank Piccolo to go to Providence and inform Raymond Patriarca that Castellano was the new boss of the Gambinos.

Despite Gallo being voted in as consigliere at this meeting, it appears that a few individuals wanted Joe Zingaro appointed instead but were overruled. Amodeo and one or two (it's hard to tell) redacted names backed Zingaro. In addition to Amodeo and Piccolo, other capos present at the meeting Zappi, Perrone, Zingaro, and Peter Stincone, along with three redacted names.

Both of these meetings were at private residences so I wonder if either was the one described in Murder Machine with Montiglio in the attic? It would need to be the December meeting, right? I can't find my copy at the moment so I can't remember his exact story.
Who tf is David Amodeo? Nothing on Amodeo On Google it appears...I thought Frank Piccolo was the capo in CT so why is Nick Patti from Ansonia (my dads family grew up there and Seymour CT, my aunt still lives in Ansonia...Very Blue collar lower middle class area)...Was Nick Patti a capo too?
Dave Amodeo was a real old time Sicilian capo that lived well into his 80's. Also called "Papa Dave" or "The Old Man". He hung out in a club on Crescent Avenue in the Bronx that was his center of activity, and lived in Yonkers. He was a VERY serious guy....very no nonsense. Immensely respected by all, and went back to the 20's and 30's so he'd been around and knew everybody. He was actually married to Scalice's sister I believe, so he was involved in the administration of the Gambinos way back as well. He wound up retiring in the late 70's and Joe Gambino (Long Island not Cherry Hill) took over his crew. He lived until the mid-80's, still commuting down to the club on Crescent until his final days.

Had a couple of sons but was adamant about them not getting involved in the life, so they were all legitimate guys.
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Re: 1976 Commission Meeting (and 1976 Gambino Family Meeting)

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Extortion wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:54 am There is also a theory that Tony Shots Abbatemarco died in 2005 and was basically fed up with the mob life...He essentially hated everyone. Gallo for suspecting hit on his father, Profaci and Colombo and also DiBella so he took off. I read this in an old book about Joey Gallo that was written in the late 70s or early 80s and the death in 2005 (but its the internet) is stated a few places online so put two and two together. However obviously he could have been murdered but wouldnt have scarpa reported this (unless he was involved?) or maybe he didnt know and it was kept hush or he didnt report it...No other informants ever came forward with info but there isnt much info surrounding DiBella. DiBella seemed to be quite low key.

It also seems quite odd that the boss was calling him twice and he didnt show up. Usually only a boss can order a underboss killed so it seems unlikely that he wouldnt show up twice and they found him afterwards and killed him because he would have known a third time is death penalty and that the commission said dibella could not retaliate against anyone for being demoted. My guess is that he either just took off and lived out his retirement or went into witness protection but didnt testify.

Abbatemarco Died in 2005. He was demoted and most likely shelved by DiBella.


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Re: 1976 Commission Meeting (and 1976 Gambino Family Meeting)

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Chaps wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:36 am
Snakes wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:37 pm Mostly concerned with Chicago but occasionally I'll come across something interesting from other families.

An informant advised that an LCN Commission meeting was held in New York in 1976 (month not given but probably late 1976).

The purpose of the meeting was to settle a leadership dispute among the Colombo Family, presently bossed by Thomas DiBella.

The others present at the meeting were Frank Tieri (Genovese), Carmine Galante (Bonanno), Tony Corallo (Lucchese), and Joey Aiuppa (Chicago). It did not appear that the Gambinos sent anyone (see next post). Several others from the Colombo Family were also present, including underboss Anthony Abbatemarco and capos Joseph Brancato and James Clemenza. One additional attendee was redacted. Another redacted member of the Colombo Family failed to show up.

After dinner, the Commission discussed some of the dissatisfaction that the Colombos had with DiBella's leadership. Abbatemarco seemed to have been speaking on behalf of those members who had beef with DiBella. The Commission did not rule in favor of removing DiBella and stated that there was to be no conflict over this decision. Additionally, there was to be no bloodshed if or when DiBella decided to demote anyone who had spoken out against him.

After the Commission meeting, DiBella made the following personnel changes in the Colombo Family:

-Demoted Joe Brancato and placed his crew directly with him (DiBella).
-He decided to leave James Clemenza on as a capo as he was moving to Florida, where his entire crew was.
-Salvatore Lombardino was demoted from capo.
-Allie Giannatassio was given his old crew back but was told he would be demoted again should he not control his drinking.
-DiBella intended to demote Abbatemarco as underboss but Abbatemarco did not show up when requested. The source claimed that this was the second time Abbatemarco had failed to show up when called and that a third failure would result in his murder. Abbatemarco disappeared in 1977, so we can assume that he got his third strike.
-Two other captains (redacted) also failed to show when called. One of them had also failed to show up to two meetings already.
-Two other members were promoted to capo (both names are redacted).

Source advised that when a change in leadership is made (both promotions and demotions), the capo and his entire crew are called before the boss and informed of the decision.

Source closed by stating that now that the Colombos have resolved their leadership issues they will make new members and issue additional promotions.
It surprises me Galante was at this meeting. I thought the Bonanno’s were banned from the Commission at this time.
I thought the Bonanno’s weren’t removed from the commission until Joe Pistone was revealed as an FBI agent, which would have been in 81 or so.
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Re: 1976 Commission Meeting (and 1976 Gambino Family Meeting)

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Pogo The Clown wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:27 am
Extortion wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:54 am There is also a theory that Tony Shots Abbatemarco died in 2005 and was basically fed up with the mob life...He essentially hated everyone. Gallo for suspecting hit on his father, Profaci and Colombo and also DiBella so he took off. I read this in an old book about Joey Gallo that was written in the late 70s or early 80s and the death in 2005 (but its the internet) is stated a few places online so put two and two together. However obviously he could have been murdered but wouldnt have scarpa reported this (unless he was involved?) or maybe he didnt know and it was kept hush or he didnt report it...No other informants ever came forward with info but there isnt much info surrounding DiBella. DiBella seemed to be quite low key.

It also seems quite odd that the boss was calling him twice and he didnt show up. Usually only a boss can order a underboss killed so it seems unlikely that he wouldnt show up twice and they found him afterwards and killed him because he would have known a third time is death penalty and that the commission said dibella could not retaliate against anyone for being demoted. My guess is that he either just took off and lived out his retirement or went into witness protection but didnt testify.

Abbatemarco Died in 2005. He was demoted and most likely shelved by DiBella.


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Re: 1976 Commission Meeting (and 1976 Gambino Family Meeting)

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Extortion wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:04 am
Snakes wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:39 pm High level CI provided information concerning a Gambino Family meeting in October 1976.

In attendance were Paul Castellano, Joe N. Gallo, and several capos. In this meeting, it was agreed that Castellano and Gallo would run the organization until Neil Dellacroce was released from prison, at which point he would take over as boss. It was also agreed among the attendees that payments would be funneled to Gallo who would in turn make Castellano aware of what each crew was kicking up.

The capos in attendance were David Amoedo, Nick Patti, Terry Zappi, Frank Piccolo, Frank Perrone, and three redacted names (one of whom may be Nino Gaggi).

Source also provided information that Gallo was a popular choice among the capos to take over as boss and had the support of the majority but made it known that he didn't want the position. It appears that Dellacroce also refused if the earlier information about Castellano and Gallo saving the spot for Dellacroce is believed.

A later meeting was held in December 1976, after Dellacroce's release from prison. After dining, Castellano made the announcement that he had been "nominated" to head the family, appointing Dellacroce as underboss. Castellano wished to install Gallo as consigliere and the capos approved of both choices.

Castellano went on to say that the family would be run the same as it was under Gambino and that prostitution and narcotics would be forbidden. Castellano was also interested in making contacts in Atlantic City so that when the hotels and casinos opened in the near future the Gambinos would have "friends." Castellano made it clear that any contact made with Atlantic City would have to be reported to the administration.

At the end of the meeting, Casellano stated that this would be the last gathering of "all" the capos and went on to tell Frank Piccolo to go to Providence and inform Raymond Patriarca that Castellano was the new boss of the Gambinos.

Despite Gallo being voted in as consigliere at this meeting, it appears that a few individuals wanted Joe Zingaro appointed instead but were overruled. Amodeo and one or two (it's hard to tell) redacted names backed Zingaro. In addition to Amodeo and Piccolo, other capos present at the meeting Zappi, Perrone, Zingaro, and Peter Stincone, along with three redacted names.

Both of these meetings were at private residences so I wonder if either was the one described in Murder Machine with Montiglio in the attic? It would need to be the December meeting, right? I can't find my copy at the moment so I can't remember his exact story.
Who tf is David Amodeo? Nothing on Amodeo On Google it appears...I thought Frank Piccolo was the capo in CT so why is Nick Patti from Ansonia (my dads family grew up there and Seymour CT, my aunt still lives in Ansonia...Very Blue collar lower middle class area)...Was Nick Patti a capo too?
Frank Piccolo succeeded Patti as captain around 1976.
There you have it, never printed before.
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Re: 1976 Commission Meeting (and 1976 Gambino Family Meeting)

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jmack wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:45 am
Chaps wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:36 am
Snakes wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:37 pm Mostly concerned with Chicago but occasionally I'll come across something interesting from other families.

An informant advised that an LCN Commission meeting was held in New York in 1976 (month not given but probably late 1976).

The purpose of the meeting was to settle a leadership dispute among the Colombo Family, presently bossed by Thomas DiBella.

The others present at the meeting were Frank Tieri (Genovese), Carmine Galante (Bonanno), Tony Corallo (Lucchese), and Joey Aiuppa (Chicago). It did not appear that the Gambinos sent anyone (see next post). Several others from the Colombo Family were also present, including underboss Anthony Abbatemarco and capos Joseph Brancato and James Clemenza. One additional attendee was redacted. Another redacted member of the Colombo Family failed to show up.

After dinner, the Commission discussed some of the dissatisfaction that the Colombos had with DiBella's leadership. Abbatemarco seemed to have been speaking on behalf of those members who had beef with DiBella. The Commission did not rule in favor of removing DiBella and stated that there was to be no conflict over this decision. Additionally, there was to be no bloodshed if or when DiBella decided to demote anyone who had spoken out against him.

After the Commission meeting, DiBella made the following personnel changes in the Colombo Family:

-Demoted Joe Brancato and placed his crew directly with him (DiBella).
-He decided to leave James Clemenza on as a capo as he was moving to Florida, where his entire crew was.
-Salvatore Lombardino was demoted from capo.
-Allie Giannatassio was given his old crew back but was told he would be demoted again should he not control his drinking.
-DiBella intended to demote Abbatemarco as underboss but Abbatemarco did not show up when requested. The source claimed that this was the second time Abbatemarco had failed to show up when called and that a third failure would result in his murder. Abbatemarco disappeared in 1977, so we can assume that he got his third strike.
-Two other captains (redacted) also failed to show when called. One of them had also failed to show up to two meetings already.
-Two other members were promoted to capo (both names are redacted).

Source advised that when a change in leadership is made (both promotions and demotions), the capo and his entire crew are called before the boss and informed of the decision.

Source closed by stating that now that the Colombos have resolved their leadership issues they will make new members and issue additional promotions.
It surprises me Galante was at this meeting. I thought the Bonanno’s were banned from the Commission at this time.
I thought the Bonanno’s weren’t removed from the commission until Joe Pistone was revealed as an FBI agent, which would have been in 81 or so.
Sonny Black told Pistone that the Bonanno’s were “controlled” by the commission for about 10 years, so at least sometime in the early 70s.

That might be way Rastelli was only “acting” boss, he might have been backed by the Commission on a provisional basis.
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Re: 1976 Commission Meeting (and 1976 Gambino Family Meeting)

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thekiduknow wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:39 pm
jmack wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:45 am
Chaps wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:36 am
Snakes wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:37 pm Mostly concerned with Chicago but occasionally I'll come across something interesting from other families.

An informant advised that an LCN Commission meeting was held in New York in 1976 (month not given but probably late 1976).

The purpose of the meeting was to settle a leadership dispute among the Colombo Family, presently bossed by Thomas DiBella.

The others present at the meeting were Frank Tieri (Genovese), Carmine Galante (Bonanno), Tony Corallo (Lucchese), and Joey Aiuppa (Chicago). It did not appear that the Gambinos sent anyone (see next post). Several others from the Colombo Family were also present, including underboss Anthony Abbatemarco and capos Joseph Brancato and James Clemenza. One additional attendee was redacted. Another redacted member of the Colombo Family failed to show up.

After dinner, the Commission discussed some of the dissatisfaction that the Colombos had with DiBella's leadership. Abbatemarco seemed to have been speaking on behalf of those members who had beef with DiBella. The Commission did not rule in favor of removing DiBella and stated that there was to be no conflict over this decision. Additionally, there was to be no bloodshed if or when DiBella decided to demote anyone who had spoken out against him.

After the Commission meeting, DiBella made the following personnel changes in the Colombo Family:

-Demoted Joe Brancato and placed his crew directly with him (DiBella).
-He decided to leave James Clemenza on as a capo as he was moving to Florida, where his entire crew was.
-Salvatore Lombardino was demoted from capo.
-Allie Giannatassio was given his old crew back but was told he would be demoted again should he not control his drinking.
-DiBella intended to demote Abbatemarco as underboss but Abbatemarco did not show up when requested. The source claimed that this was the second time Abbatemarco had failed to show up when called and that a third failure would result in his murder. Abbatemarco disappeared in 1977, so we can assume that he got his third strike.
-Two other captains (redacted) also failed to show when called. One of them had also failed to show up to two meetings already.
-Two other members were promoted to capo (both names are redacted).

Source advised that when a change in leadership is made (both promotions and demotions), the capo and his entire crew are called before the boss and informed of the decision.

Source closed by stating that now that the Colombos have resolved their leadership issues they will make new members and issue additional promotions.
It surprises me Galante was at this meeting. I thought the Bonanno’s were banned from the Commission at this time.
I thought the Bonanno’s weren’t removed from the commission until Joe Pistone was revealed as an FBI agent, which would have been in 81 or so.
Sonny Black told Pistone that the Bonanno’s were “controlled” by the commission for about 10 years, so at least sometime in the early 70s.

That might be way Rastelli was only “acting” boss, he might have been backed by the Commission on a provisional basis.
No. Rastelli was official boss that´s documented. After being jailed, Lilo Galante took over but wasn´t recognized as boss by the Commission.
There you have it, never printed before.
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Re: 1976 Commission Meeting (and 1976 Gambino Family Meeting)

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HairyKnuckles wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:41 pm
thekiduknow wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:39 pm
jmack wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:45 am
Chaps wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:36 am
Snakes wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:37 pm Mostly concerned with Chicago but occasionally I'll come across something interesting from other families.

An informant advised that an LCN Commission meeting was held in New York in 1976 (month not given but probably late 1976).

The purpose of the meeting was to settle a leadership dispute among the Colombo Family, presently bossed by Thomas DiBella.

The others present at the meeting were Frank Tieri (Genovese), Carmine Galante (Bonanno), Tony Corallo (Lucchese), and Joey Aiuppa (Chicago). It did not appear that the Gambinos sent anyone (see next post). Several others from the Colombo Family were also present, including underboss Anthony Abbatemarco and capos Joseph Brancato and James Clemenza. One additional attendee was redacted. Another redacted member of the Colombo Family failed to show up.

After dinner, the Commission discussed some of the dissatisfaction that the Colombos had with DiBella's leadership. Abbatemarco seemed to have been speaking on behalf of those members who had beef with DiBella. The Commission did not rule in favor of removing DiBella and stated that there was to be no conflict over this decision. Additionally, there was to be no bloodshed if or when DiBella decided to demote anyone who had spoken out against him.

After the Commission meeting, DiBella made the following personnel changes in the Colombo Family:

-Demoted Joe Brancato and placed his crew directly with him (DiBella).
-He decided to leave James Clemenza on as a capo as he was moving to Florida, where his entire crew was.
-Salvatore Lombardino was demoted from capo.
-Allie Giannatassio was given his old crew back but was told he would be demoted again should he not control his drinking.
-DiBella intended to demote Abbatemarco as underboss but Abbatemarco did not show up when requested. The source claimed that this was the second time Abbatemarco had failed to show up when called and that a third failure would result in his murder. Abbatemarco disappeared in 1977, so we can assume that he got his third strike.
-Two other captains (redacted) also failed to show when called. One of them had also failed to show up to two meetings already.
-Two other members were promoted to capo (both names are redacted).

Source advised that when a change in leadership is made (both promotions and demotions), the capo and his entire crew are called before the boss and informed of the decision.

Source closed by stating that now that the Colombos have resolved their leadership issues they will make new members and issue additional promotions.
It surprises me Galante was at this meeting. I thought the Bonanno’s were banned from the Commission at this time.
I thought the Bonanno’s weren’t removed from the commission until Joe Pistone was revealed as an FBI agent, which would have been in 81 or so.
Sonny Black told Pistone that the Bonanno’s were “controlled” by the commission for about 10 years, so at least sometime in the early 70s.

That might be way Rastelli was only “acting” boss, he might have been backed by the Commission on a provisional basis.
No. Rastelli was official boss that´s documented. After being jailed, Lilo Galante took over but wasn´t recognized as boss by the Commission.
Ah ok, I thought that since he was listed as “acting boss”, it might be like when Gambino was “acting” boss and backed by the commission.

So since Rastelli was official boss, but in jail, is that when the commission controlled the Bonannos?
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thekiduknow wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:46 pm
HairyKnuckles wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:41 pm
thekiduknow wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:39 pm
jmack wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:45 am
Chaps wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:36 am
Snakes wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:37 pm Mostly concerned with Chicago but occasionally I'll come across something interesting from other families.

An informant advised that an LCN Commission meeting was held in New York in 1976 (month not given but probably late 1976).

The purpose of the meeting was to settle a leadership dispute among the Colombo Family, presently bossed by Thomas DiBella.

The others present at the meeting were Frank Tieri (Genovese), Carmine Galante (Bonanno), Tony Corallo (Lucchese), and Joey Aiuppa (Chicago). It did not appear that the Gambinos sent anyone (see next post). Several others from the Colombo Family were also present, including underboss Anthony Abbatemarco and capos Joseph Brancato and James Clemenza. One additional attendee was redacted. Another redacted member of the Colombo Family failed to show up.

After dinner, the Commission discussed some of the dissatisfaction that the Colombos had with DiBella's leadership. Abbatemarco seemed to have been speaking on behalf of those members who had beef with DiBella. The Commission did not rule in favor of removing DiBella and stated that there was to be no conflict over this decision. Additionally, there was to be no bloodshed if or when DiBella decided to demote anyone who had spoken out against him.

After the Commission meeting, DiBella made the following personnel changes in the Colombo Family:

-Demoted Joe Brancato and placed his crew directly with him (DiBella).
-He decided to leave James Clemenza on as a capo as he was moving to Florida, where his entire crew was.
-Salvatore Lombardino was demoted from capo.
-Allie Giannatassio was given his old crew back but was told he would be demoted again should he not control his drinking.
-DiBella intended to demote Abbatemarco as underboss but Abbatemarco did not show up when requested. The source claimed that this was the second time Abbatemarco had failed to show up when called and that a third failure would result in his murder. Abbatemarco disappeared in 1977, so we can assume that he got his third strike.
-Two other captains (redacted) also failed to show when called. One of them had also failed to show up to two meetings already.
-Two other members were promoted to capo (both names are redacted).

Source advised that when a change in leadership is made (both promotions and demotions), the capo and his entire crew are called before the boss and informed of the decision.

Source closed by stating that now that the Colombos have resolved their leadership issues they will make new members and issue additional promotions.
It surprises me Galante was at this meeting. I thought the Bonanno’s were banned from the Commission at this time.
I thought the Bonanno’s weren’t removed from the commission until Joe Pistone was revealed as an FBI agent, which would have been in 81 or so.
Sonny Black told Pistone that the Bonanno’s were “controlled” by the commission for about 10 years, so at least sometime in the early 70s.

That might be way Rastelli was only “acting” boss, he might have been backed by the Commission on a provisional basis.
No. Rastelli was official boss that´s documented. After being jailed, Lilo Galante took over but wasn´t recognized as boss by the Commission.
Ah ok, I thought that since he was listed as “acting boss”, it might be like when Gambino was “acting” boss and backed by the commission.

So since Rastelli was official boss, but in jail, is that when the commission controlled the Bonannos?

You were doing a lot of the banana war research weren't u??

That was the beginning of them being outed.
And you have the recording Salerno said they were out bc the commission banned drugs and they are a junk family.
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Re: 1976 Commission Meeting (and 1976 Gambino Family Meeting)

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JeremyTheJew wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:41 pm
thekiduknow wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:46 pm
HairyKnuckles wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:41 pm
thekiduknow wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:39 pm
jmack wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:45 am
Chaps wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:36 am
Snakes wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:37 pm Mostly concerned with Chicago but occasionally I'll come across something interesting from other families.

An informant advised that an LCN Commission meeting was held in New York in 1976 (month not given but probably late 1976).

The purpose of the meeting was to settle a leadership dispute among the Colombo Family, presently bossed by Thomas DiBella.

The others present at the meeting were Frank Tieri (Genovese), Carmine Galante (Bonanno), Tony Corallo (Lucchese), and Joey Aiuppa (Chicago). It did not appear that the Gambinos sent anyone (see next post). Several others from the Colombo Family were also present, including underboss Anthony Abbatemarco and capos Joseph Brancato and James Clemenza. One additional attendee was redacted. Another redacted member of the Colombo Family failed to show up.

After dinner, the Commission discussed some of the dissatisfaction that the Colombos had with DiBella's leadership. Abbatemarco seemed to have been speaking on behalf of those members who had beef with DiBella. The Commission did not rule in favor of removing DiBella and stated that there was to be no conflict over this decision. Additionally, there was to be no bloodshed if or when DiBella decided to demote anyone who had spoken out against him.

After the Commission meeting, DiBella made the following personnel changes in the Colombo Family:

-Demoted Joe Brancato and placed his crew directly with him (DiBella).
-He decided to leave James Clemenza on as a capo as he was moving to Florida, where his entire crew was.
-Salvatore Lombardino was demoted from capo.
-Allie Giannatassio was given his old crew back but was told he would be demoted again should he not control his drinking.
-DiBella intended to demote Abbatemarco as underboss but Abbatemarco did not show up when requested. The source claimed that this was the second time Abbatemarco had failed to show up when called and that a third failure would result in his murder. Abbatemarco disappeared in 1977, so we can assume that he got his third strike.
-Two other captains (redacted) also failed to show when called. One of them had also failed to show up to two meetings already.
-Two other members were promoted to capo (both names are redacted).

Source advised that when a change in leadership is made (both promotions and demotions), the capo and his entire crew are called before the boss and informed of the decision.

Source closed by stating that now that the Colombos have resolved their leadership issues they will make new members and issue additional promotions.
It surprises me Galante was at this meeting. I thought the Bonanno’s were banned from the Commission at this time.
I thought the Bonanno’s weren’t removed from the commission until Joe Pistone was revealed as an FBI agent, which would have been in 81 or so.
Sonny Black told Pistone that the Bonanno’s were “controlled” by the commission for about 10 years, so at least sometime in the early 70s.

That might be way Rastelli was only “acting” boss, he might have been backed by the Commission on a provisional basis.
No. Rastelli was official boss that´s documented. After being jailed, Lilo Galante took over but wasn´t recognized as boss by the Commission.
Ah ok, I thought that since he was listed as “acting boss”, it might be like when Gambino was “acting” boss and backed by the commission.

So since Rastelli was official boss, but in jail, is that when the commission controlled the Bonannos?

You were doing a lot of the banana war research weren't u??

That was the beginning of them being outed.
And you have the recording Salerno said they were out bc the commission banned drugs and they are a junk family.
Yeah, mainly 64-68.

I didn’t know about that Salerno recording, thanks for that! I’ll have to try to find that
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Re: 1976 Commission Meeting (and 1976 Gambino Family Meeting)

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thekiduknow wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:59 pm
JeremyTheJew wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:41 pm
thekiduknow wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:46 pm
HairyKnuckles wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:41 pm
thekiduknow wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:39 pm
jmack wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:45 am
Chaps wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:36 am
Snakes wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:37 pm Mostly concerned with Chicago but occasionally I'll come across something interesting from other families.

An informant advised that an LCN Commission meeting was held in New York in 1976 (month not given but probably late 1976).

The purpose of the meeting was to settle a leadership dispute among the Colombo Family, presently bossed by Thomas DiBella.

The others present at the meeting were Frank Tieri (Genovese), Carmine Galante (Bonanno), Tony Corallo (Lucchese), and Joey Aiuppa (Chicago). It did not appear that the Gambinos sent anyone (see next post). Several others from the Colombo Family were also present, including underboss Anthony Abbatemarco and capos Joseph Brancato and James Clemenza. One additional attendee was redacted. Another redacted member of the Colombo Family failed to show up.

After dinner, the Commission discussed some of the dissatisfaction that the Colombos had with DiBella's leadership. Abbatemarco seemed to have been speaking on behalf of those members who had beef with DiBella. The Commission did not rule in favor of removing DiBella and stated that there was to be no conflict over this decision. Additionally, there was to be no bloodshed if or when DiBella decided to demote anyone who had spoken out against him.

After the Commission meeting, DiBella made the following personnel changes in the Colombo Family:

-Demoted Joe Brancato and placed his crew directly with him (DiBella).
-He decided to leave James Clemenza on as a capo as he was moving to Florida, where his entire crew was.
-Salvatore Lombardino was demoted from capo.
-Allie Giannatassio was given his old crew back but was told he would be demoted again should he not control his drinking.
-DiBella intended to demote Abbatemarco as underboss but Abbatemarco did not show up when requested. The source claimed that this was the second time Abbatemarco had failed to show up when called and that a third failure would result in his murder. Abbatemarco disappeared in 1977, so we can assume that he got his third strike.
-Two other captains (redacted) also failed to show when called. One of them had also failed to show up to two meetings already.
-Two other members were promoted to capo (both names are redacted).

Source advised that when a change in leadership is made (both promotions and demotions), the capo and his entire crew are called before the boss and informed of the decision.

Source closed by stating that now that the Colombos have resolved their leadership issues they will make new members and issue additional promotions.
It surprises me Galante was at this meeting. I thought the Bonanno’s were banned from the Commission at this time.
I thought the Bonanno’s weren’t removed from the commission until Joe Pistone was revealed as an FBI agent, which would have been in 81 or so.
Sonny Black told Pistone that the Bonanno’s were “controlled” by the commission for about 10 years, so at least sometime in the early 70s.

That might be way Rastelli was only “acting” boss, he might have been backed by the Commission on a provisional basis.
No. Rastelli was official boss that´s documented. After being jailed, Lilo Galante took over but wasn´t recognized as boss by the Commission.
Ah ok, I thought that since he was listed as “acting boss”, it might be like when Gambino was “acting” boss and backed by the commission.

So since Rastelli was official boss, but in jail, is that when the commission controlled the Bonannos?

You were doing a lot of the banana war research weren't u??

That was the beginning of them being outed.
And you have the recording Salerno said they were out bc the commission banned drugs and they are a junk family.
Yeah, mainly 64-68.

I didn’t know about that Salerno recording, thanks for that! I’ll have to try to find that
It might have been Tony ducks actually.... he was more against it then Salerno I feel (when as it looks like Luke's were really the biggest junkers...)

But it might of been him and avellino talking...
Really not sure 100%

Or Salerno and and Tony Ducks together??

I wanna say it was in the conversation where they talking shit on Bonanno for writing the book n saying hes a man of honor etc etc

It all tied together
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Snakes wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:28 am
johnny_scootch wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:20 am B posted about this meeting over a year ago.....

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=4254&p=100021&hilit=Amodeo#p100021
Ah, sorry. I even posted in that thread! This was just something that I found with the Commission meeting info. Thanks to B for initially discovering it.
No worries at all, buddy. I'm all about going over the same info more than once and having different perspectives, so the more the merrier.

As for Galante, that and the Chicago boss attending were what most interested me most beyond the internal Colombo politics.

Carmine Galante declared himself official boss (without Commission sanction) during the first week of June 1977 according to Joe Massino. Prior to that he was acting boss. It wouldn't be unprecedented for an acting boss to represent an official boss on the Commission, but I'm under the impression the Bonannos didn't have a seat on the Commission. It's possible they attended for another political reason and not necessarily to offer a vote -- we know for example that Carmine Galante had an alliance with Carmine Persico, who at this time was not yet underboss but was aligned with DiBella.

Interestingly, Dom Cicale was told by a Genovese figure in prison that Galante was not killed because of internal issues within the Bonanno family, but because the other families were concerned about him making the Bonannos formidable again. We do know Galante had a large support base within the family and other families were concerned with him, though of course there was a major internal dispute within the family, too. With these sorts of rumors I tend to believe there is a little bit of truth in all of them even if it's not the sole explanation.
Chris Christie wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:00 am I reckon my biggest takeaway or point of interest is Tom DiBella. From everything that's come out about him, he wasn't recognized by law enforcement as a gangster, allegedly when he became boss he didn't know how certain rackets worked and I believe worked a legitimate job (am I off on anything?) Such an individual represents everything "street guys" like an John/Gene probably wouldn't like. And yet, when it came to politics none of that mattered. This Commission rule went with "the boss of the boss" and instructed everyone to accept that and go along with what DiBella decides, which included demoting everyone who tried to go against him. DiBella's father Salvatore was boss between Mineo and Profaci, beyond that there's little on him.
Both Tom DiBella and his father Salvatore were stevedores on the Brooklyn docks. That seems to be the extent of Tom DiBella's influence in underworld activities before he became boss and he's described by sources as primarily legitimate, though we can deduce he may have inherited his dock position/influence from his father. I've never seen anything on his year of induction, but he would have been old enough to have become a member while his father was alive and/or boss.

It may have been JD who originally posted it, but many years ago someone posted a clipping from an FBI report where a source mentioned that DiBella's father had been the boss before Profaci, so at least some element of the Colombo family knew the history. Magaddino also makes reference to a Toto DiBella attending a meeting circa the Castellammarese War.

Agreed on your take, re: Tom DiBella as boss. There were still members living who would have known of Salvatore DiBella, so I wonder if that factored into Tom DiBella's "unexpected" rise as boss. Nepotism is uncommon when electing bosses, but pedigree does matter, though by the time of DiBella's election the family was rapidly losing its Sicilian roots. In the fully street criminal mafia of the 1970s Colombos DiBella seems out of place, but guys like him commonly gained stature in the early days as you well know.
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