bert wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 1:55 pm
Mark Reiter should be let out, but he was close to Gotti so he is likely to stay locked up. He's done over 20 years locked up in prison. Or more.
But wasn't he also convicted for some murders, or was it drugs only?
32 years. He has been locked up 32 fucking years! There were murder charges against co defendants. Even if he did kill anyone (which he didn't) people who killed and ran drug rings get let out after they reach a certain age, even if they have time left. He should be out. One of the men Trump recently pardoned had a drug ring with 6 murders attributed to it, he got out with lot of time left.
The point is, none of them should be let out. Letting one criminal piece of shit out because another piece of shit criminal, somewhere and at some time, was released by some dumbass judge or parole board doesn't balance the scales of cosmic justice. It simply compounds the problem that much more.
A major OC-affiliated heroin trafficker? Give them 50 years. They do the whole 50. No chance of parole. A guy like Gene Gotti should not be breathing fresh air.
A murderer? Give them a date with the needle. Though a bullet in the back of the head would be just as good.
If that was how things worked across the board on sentencing, fine. To let some out and keep others in isn't.
Gene Gotti is not as bad as 50% of those doing the time of time he did . AS for the death penalty. until they have a foolproof way of knowing if a person guilty, it's wrong.
Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 6:18 pm
The US has 4% of the worlds population and over 20% of the worlds prison population. Land of the free my ass.
Anything over 20-25 years for non rape/murder/child molesting crimes is overkill. I’m all good on the government wasting our tax dollars on non violent offenders. Just watched this video yesterday for some bro who got 32 years for mortgage fraud and tax evasion. What a joke.
Plus we have The Innocence Project finding out that many who have been convicted of murder and rape were innocent. DNA and other technology proved it, some people did over 20 years before proving themselves not guilty. Child molesters and rapists should never be let out, unless they are so old and or sickly they are incapable of anything.
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 6:06 pm
The point is, none of them should be let out. Letting one criminal piece of shit out because another piece of shit criminal, somewhere and at some time, was released by some dumbass judge or parole board doesn't balance the scales of cosmic justice. It simply compounds the problem that much more.
A major OC-affiliated heroin trafficker? Give them 50 years. They do the whole 50. No chance of parole. A guy like Gene Gotti should not be breathing fresh air.
A murderer? Give them a date with the needle. Though a bullet in the back of the head would be just as good.
Two wrongs don't make a right. In general, a society is judged by how strict & serious they are about criminal behavior. The more lenient they are about it, the quicker the society goes downhill into liberal anarchy.
NYNighthawk wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:11 am
I feel for the victims and their families who suffered from heroin abuse. These bastards all sold that poison to enrich themselves and got caught. They should try to rectify the errors they made on the outside while doing time inside. Period! No fucking compassionate release.
No one forced anyone to use heroin or any other drug.
You are correct but how come my wish that the children and grandchildren of these fucking scumbag drug dealers don't always get hooked on the shit themselves? That is not fair don't you agree?
NYNighthawk wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:11 am
I feel for the victims and their families who suffered from heroin abuse. These bastards all sold that poison to enrich themselves and got caught. They should try to rectify the errors they made on the outside while doing time inside. Period! No fucking compassionate release.
No one forced anyone to use heroin or any other drug.
You are correct but how come my wish that the children and grandchildren of these fucking scumbag drug dealers don't always get hooked on the shit themselves? That is not fair don't you agree?
I want to make sure I have this right: You want the children and grandkids of people who sold drugs to be addicts when they grow up? Why? By the way, more than a few do.
Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 6:18 pm
The US has 4% of the worlds population and over 20% of the worlds prison population. Land of the free my ass.
Anything over 20-25 years for non rape/murder/child molesting crimes is overkill. I’m all good on the government wasting our tax dollars on non violent offenders. Just watched this video yesterday for some bro who got 32 years for mortgage fraud and tax evasion. What a joke.
Plus we have The Innocence Project finding out that many who have been convicted of murder and rape were innocent. DNA and other technology proved it, some people did over 20 years before proving themselves not guilty. Child molesters and rapists should never be let out, unless they are so old and or sickly they are incapable of anything.
The documentary At the Death House Door really challenged the way I thought about capital punishment. For most of my life I was all for it but once you realize how often innocent people have been executed, it’s hard to justify.
Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 6:18 pm
The US has 4% of the worlds population and over 20% of the worlds prison population. Land of the free my ass.
Anything over 20-25 years for non rape/murder/child molesting crimes is overkill. I’m all good on the government wasting our tax dollars on non violent offenders. Just watched this video yesterday for some bro who got 32 years for mortgage fraud and tax evasion. What a joke.
Plus we have The Innocence Project finding out that many who have been convicted of murder and rape were innocent. DNA and other technology proved it, some people did over 20 years before proving themselves not guilty. Child molesters and rapists should never be let out, unless they are so old and or sickly they are incapable of anything.
The documentary At the Death House Door really challenged the way I thought about capital punishment. For most of my life I was all for it but once you realize how often innocent people have been executed, it’s hard to justify.
There is no proof that innocent people are "often" executed. That is pure speculation & liberal propaganda. The Innocent Project was produced by
Barry Scheck, the same lawyer who claimed O.J. Simpson was innocent. That's all I need to know about it.
Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 6:18 pm
The US has 4% of the worlds population and over 20% of the worlds prison population. Land of the free my ass.
Anything over 20-25 years for non rape/murder/child molesting crimes is overkill. I’m all good on the government wasting our tax dollars on non violent offenders. Just watched this video yesterday for some bro who got 32 years for mortgage fraud and tax evasion. What a joke.
Plus we have The Innocence Project finding out that many who have been convicted of murder and rape were innocent. DNA and other technology proved it, some people did over 20 years before proving themselves not guilty. Child molesters and rapists should never be let out, unless they are so old and or sickly they are incapable of anything.
The documentary At the Death House Door really challenged the way I thought about capital punishment. For most of my life I was all for it but once you realize how often innocent people have been executed, it’s hard to justify.
There is no proof that innocent people are "often" executed. That is pure speculation & liberal propaganda. The Innocent Project was produced by
Barry Scheck, the same lawyer who claimed O.J. Simpson was innocent. That's all I need to know about it.
It’s not liberal propaganda but whatever. Prison reform is actually pretty popular across the American political spectrum. Conservatives, progressives, and libertarians largely agree on a lot of this stuff. The prison industrial complex is a just really powerful special interest group.
Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 6:18 pm
The US has 4% of the worlds population and over 20% of the worlds prison population. Land of the free my ass.
Anything over 20-25 years for non rape/murder/child molesting crimes is overkill. I’m all good on the government wasting our tax dollars on non violent offenders. Just watched this video yesterday for some bro who got 32 years for mortgage fraud and tax evasion. What a joke.
Plus we have The Innocence Project finding out that many who have been convicted of murder and rape were innocent. DNA and other technology proved it, some people did over 20 years before proving themselves not guilty. Child molesters and rapists should never be let out, unless they are so old and or sickly they are incapable of anything.
The documentary At the Death House Door really challenged the way I thought about capital punishment. For most of my life I was all for it but once you realize how often innocent people have been executed, it’s hard to justify.
There is no proof that innocent people are "often" executed. That is pure speculation & liberal propaganda. The Innocent Project was produced by
Barry Scheck, the same lawyer who claimed O.J. Simpson was innocent. That's all I need to know about it.
It’s not liberal propaganda but whatever. Prison reform is actually pretty popular across the American political spectrum. Conservatives, progressives, and libertarians largely agree on a lot of this stuff. The prison industrial complex is a just really powerful special interest group.
"Prison Reform" by liberals is a code word for simply letting more criminals out of prison.
Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 7:42 pm
Prison reform is actually pretty popular across the American political spectrum. Conservatives, progressives, and libertarians largely agree on a lot of this stuff.
And hence why all these politicians should hanged for screwing up the country.
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Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 6:18 pm
The US has 4% of the worlds population and over 20% of the worlds prison population. Land of the free my ass.
Anything over 20-25 years for non rape/murder/child molesting crimes is overkill. I’m all good on the government wasting our tax dollars on non violent offenders. Just watched this video yesterday for some bro who got 32 years for mortgage fraud and tax evasion. What a joke.
Confederate wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 7:21 pmThere is no proof that innocent people are "often" executed. That is pure speculation & liberal propaganda. The Innocent Project was produced by
Barry Scheck, the same lawyer who claimed O.J. Simpson was innocent. That's all I need to know about it.
It's a smokescreen argument by people who don't want the death penalty even if guilt is certain.
Confederate wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 7:50 pm"Prison Reform" by liberals is a code word for simply letting more criminals out of prison.
Yup.
A good 5 min video by PragerU on the prison issue -
Confederate wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 7:21 pmThere is no proof that innocent people are "often" executed. That is pure speculation & liberal propaganda. The Innocent Project was produced by
Barry Scheck, the same lawyer who claimed O.J. Simpson was innocent. That's all I need to know about it.
It's a smokescreen argument by people who don't want the death penalty even if guilt is certain.
Confederate wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 7:50 pm"Prison Reform" by liberals is a code word for simply letting more criminals out of prison.
Yup.
A good 5 min video by PragerU on the prison issue -
Great Videos. Thanks for posting. Pretty much sums it all up. In addition, the people who sit back in their armchair & preach & complain about how "too many people are in prison" or "the death penalty should NEVER be used" are the same people who have never been victims of a serious crime & are usually always in favor of abortion at any time & also make Mafia psychopath killers their heroes. For example, no offense to anyone, but it was amusing to me to see all the sympathetic R.I.P. responses to the death of Sonny Franzese who had been involved in about 40 murders in his life. Anyway, that's just me.
Confederate wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:11 pmGreat Videos. Thanks for posting. Pretty much sums it all up. In addition, the people who sit back in their armchair & preach & complain about how "too many people are in prison" or "the death penalty should NEVER be used" are the same people who have never been victims of a serious crime & are usually always in favor of abortion at any time & also make Mafia psychopath killers their heroes. For example, no offense to anyone, but it was amusing to me to see all the sympathetic R.I.P. responses to the death of Sonny Franzese who had been involved in about 40 murders in his life. Anyway, that's just me.
No one here has said they are against prison as far as I see, it's unjust sentences, or unbalanced ones. Plus wrongful convictions, which are factual. DNA evidence and proof of prosecutors withholding evidence has been verified. To be for tough punishment is fine if its done evenly and to the right people, not some wrongfully convicted person.
