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bronx wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 4:31 pm how come the little gotti who opted out of the mafia dosen't put his hand up and say frankie was innocent of debono, why ? maybe sammy was right they both hated sr. and jr is letting frank rot..he is making shows about rats..but won't help a stand up guy .. that is a scumbag.. put your hand up jr
What could he possibly do to legally help bronx?
Junior wasn’t made until basically 89 and DiBono was clipped in ‘90.
What could he hope to offer from a legal defensive perspective?
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the truth Sonny , he knows loc was not on board with killing that guy..jr was made 88.. borrielo and carniglia were with jr .and sr was his father..why not get an innocent man help? but fights wiith alit..all day, writes judges ,fbi guys about alit being a bad boy.. be a man jr help loc out here..you did not like your father dying in prison,you hated prison..go testify ,then maybe you can get some respect back.
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bronx wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 5:17 pm the truth Sonny , he knows loc was not on board with killing that guy..jr was made 88.. borrielo and carniglia were with jr .and sr was his father..why not get an innocent man help? but fights wiith alit..all day, writes judges ,fbi guys about alit being a bad boy.. be a man jr help loc out here..you did not like your father dying in prison,you hated prison..go testify ,then maybe you can get some respect back.
bronx, for the first time I honestly disagree.
Juniors opinion in legal weight, means nothing. Was junior there at the meet with Gravano and Loc? No.
Jnr is hated by LE.
A letter from junior citing his opinion on Frankie’s innocence, carries just as much weight as if you or I wrote it. Nothing, except the huge prejudice of carrying his name.
I’m positive that if junior could help, purely for his own ego, to ingratiate himself back with Gene and the Bino’s, he absolutely would help Frankie, purely for his own selfish purposes.
That he hasn’t, most likely means he can’t, not that he won’t.
In my humble opinion mate.
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hey Sonny hows things ,i been very busy thats why i did not answer, gotti was his dad, he ran the family and admitted so ,said he quit the mob, so a declaration by him would carry much weight..what would the issue for him "not" to try ? if the judge does not believe his testimony in that matter ,no harm not foul ..he ,like many guys who flip know things but were not present , he knew loc was against debono getting killed ,just about everyone knew it in those circles..your opinion does matter to me, im fine with you having a different opinion.you always have been open minded in my opinion.
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bronx wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 8:20 pm hey Sonny hows things ,i been very busy thats why i did not answer, gotti was his dad, he ran the family and admitted so ,said he quit the mob, so a declaration by him would carry much weight..what would the issue for him "not" to try ? if the judge does not believe his testimony in that matter ,no harm not foul ..he ,like many guys who flip know things but were not present , he knew loc was against debono getting killed ,just about everyone knew it in those circles..your opinion does matter to me, im fine with you having a different opinion.you always have been open minded in my opinion.
I see your point, but wouldn't he be saying he was an accessary after the fact, a felony charge? Especially since it's him. It would also open him up to further questioning and a very possible perjury charge. Or they would just say he's lying.
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hello Bert, perjury, if you get caught lying..he would be telling what he would know as truth from his father, after the fact knowledge , no crime,
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bronx wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 8:20 pm hey Sonny hows things ,i been very busy thats why i did not answer, gotti was his dad, he ran the family and admitted so ,said he quit the mob, so a declaration by him would carry much weight..what would the issue for him "not" to try ? if the judge does not believe his testimony in that matter ,no harm not foul ..he ,like many guys who flip know things but were not present , he knew loc was against debono getting killed ,just about everyone knew it in those circles..your opinion does matter to me, im fine with you having a different opinion.you always have been open minded in my opinion.
He already tried the mere presence theory in his first appeal it didn't work, Frankie Loc is going to die in prison , I assume they offered him a plea he should of took it he would of at least had a date
http://www.ipsn.org/court_cases/us_v_lo ... -10-08.htm
Locascio was convicted for crimes stemming from his role as the "underboss" of the Gambino Crime Family. The government established at trial that Locascio's function as underboss was to advise Gotti in the formulation of plans for the Gambino Family's criminal activities. His conviction was principally grounded on his presence in the Ravenite Apartment during discussions about the crimes for which he was convicted, even though he did not personally discuss many of those crimes. The government's theory was that only involved members of the conspiracy would have been allowed to attend these Ravenite Apartment meetings. Moreover, the government argued that Locascio's role [*944] as an advisor mandated that he not speak up at such meetings, unless it was to assist Gotti.

Locascio now argues that his culpability was presumed by his "mere presence" in the Ravenite Apartment and his mere exposure to conversations in which criminal conduct was discussed. Locascio contends that he was convicted not for his conduct but for his alleged position in the charged enterprise, which he argues essentially made him absolutely liable for anything that occurred. Therefore, he challenges both the sufficiency of [**56] the evidence against him and the district court's instruction that his "functional presence" in the Ravenite Apartment during discussions was sufficient to prove his participation in the various conspiracies.

In this case, the evidence viewed in the light most favorable to the government indicates that, as the "underboss," Locascio was present to help evaluate plans presented to Gotti and give advice as needed. Gotti, Locascio, and Gravano took extensive but ultimately unsuccessful precautions to ensure that their conversations in the Ravenite Apartment, the conversations constituting the bulk of the evidence against them, were not overheard. Considering the precautions taken to ensure security, and after hearing the tapes of what was discussed in that apartment, the jury was entitled to consider whether it was likely that Locascio
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would this salinas statute?
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Did you just cut and paste from the government's brief?
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dack2001 wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 6:58 am Did you just cut and paste from the government's brief?
yeah its from the appeal I linked on the top
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bronx wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 6:00 am would this salinas statute?
I don't know, I just read the appeal from 1993
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Anybody have this weeks GL?
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