Joseph Lanni alleged new Gambino boss

[JeremyTheJew]

Ik we went over this several times.... But the GAMBINO ZIPS were two different crews right??

18th Ave / cherry Hill Gambinos (or only John??) Crew which is Mannino et Al.

And then the Conte/Cefalu and Cali crew

[JohnnyS]

So correct to assume he was under Mannino and took over when Mannino is said to have stepped up??

Yes. Mannino was still captain of that crew when Paul Semplice was indicted in 2017, sometime between then and just after Cali was killed Mannino was bumped up and Lanni was promoted to acting captain.

[JeremyTheJew]

So correct to assume he was under Mannino and took over when Mannino is said to have stepped up??

Yes. Mannino was still captain of that crew when Paul Semplice was indicted in 2017, sometime between then and just after Cali was killed Mannino was bumped up and Lanni was promoted to acting captain.

Has it been a official source stating Mannino was bumped up?? I believe the last we heard was he was promoted to UB while acting more of a street boss.

Paradisio consiglere. And ig Cefalu boss??

[JohnnyS]

So correct to assume he was under Mannino and took over when Mannino is said to have stepped up??

Yes. Mannino was still captain of that crew when Paul Semplice was indicted in 2017, sometime between then and just after Cali was killed Mannino was bumped up and Lanni was promoted to acting captain.

Has it been a official source stating Mannino was bumped up?? I believe the last we heard was he was promoted to UB while acting more of a street boss.

Paradisio consiglere. And ig Cefalu boss??

Capeci said he was on the admin with Cefalu and Paradiso but didn't give him a title. In a GL a few weeks ago he said some sources believe Mannino is acting boss.

[B.]

The word "capo" translates to "head", synonymous with "boss", and traditionally the boss of a mafia family was called the "capo". This would explain the translation error, as "capo" now means capodecina/captain in the US and could be easily confused when interpreted by Italians.

Interesting I recall hearing caporegime actually indicated boss in Italian instead Of captain

Capo... In Sicily that is a term for boss, in the USA it's applied to captain. Zooming out, reporters in the USA, especially in the 70's referred to certain captains as bosses, for instance Franzese was referred to "as a boss in the Colombo Family" in the 1980's. So if Joseph Lanni is a captain in the Gambinos, it's not incorrect to label him "a boss IN the Gambino Family."

Caporegime appears to have been an American term, the original middle management term in Sicily was "capo decina" which is still used in the US interchangably with caporegime, captain, capo, skipper etc.

Sicilian FBI agents who translated early recordings believed "caporegima" was a phonetic corruption of capodecina, which is what I believe as well given how D/R, C/G, and N/M are phonetically blurred in dialect. Many earlier FBI reports and transcriptions of recordings use the term "caporegima", with the "a" at the end, but over time you see "caporegime" become the norm, no doubt because of the ending vowel being de-emphasized or dropped off at the end as is common.

There is a report from a midwest source (possibly Detroit) who told the FBI the top two positions in the organization were "ugob" and "zottogob". We can easily tell this was a phonetic/dialect pronunciation of "il capo" and "sottocapo", but you can see where capodecina would easily become regima/regime under the same rules and how this is documented phonetically by the FBI.

I suspect it started with a corruption of "decina", but over time these guys just started saying "caporegime" themselves outright and it stuck. The aforementioned Sicilian FBI agents believed many Americanized members wouldn't know the difference in what they were saying/hearing given their general illiteracy. It also sounds kind of cool to say "regime".

Obviously not trying to teach you of all people anything here. I can't pronounce half this stuff one way or another.

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NYC and the east coast seem to be one of the first areas in the US to drop the term "capo" for boss. There were sources around the US who reported the term "capo" for boss in smaller US families for decades, but by the 1950s/60s you rarely see it mentioned by east coast sources aside from Gentile (who was an artifact from an earlier time).

This may have happened partially because there were so many more capodecinas in NYC and eastern cities. Sicilian families don't appear to have had many capodecinas, some having none, and the same is true in the smaller US families. Language isn't going to get confusing when you have one capo and two capodecinas in a city. Then you go to NYC, where there are five families in one city with anywhere from 10 to 25 capodecinas per family. Philadelphia or Buffalo had more decinas than most other families even though they paled next to NYC, but we can see where there were slightly different mafia cultures on the east coast opposed to the midwest, south, and west coast and I would include Philadelphia and Buffalo in with NYC in this case.

These guys have a need to simplify language, too, so I can see where it would get confusing in a city with five "capos" and 90 "capodecinas". That's a lot of people with titles that start with capo-, which could be one reason the east coast families stuck more to rappresentante. "Boss", too, especially among the lower membership, but countless recording transcripts show family leaders preferred "rappresentanti" to refer to themselves. That makes sense, as it is an elected position (though like all politics, often corrupted behind the scenes) and for the more influential figures on the east coast their primary concern was politics.

So whether or not they were trying to avoid confusion given how many "capos" were in NYC, or if the NYC leaders saw themselves more as politicians, and thus rappresentanti, the point is "capo" stopped being used on the east coast to refer to the boss earlier than other cities. Other cities, which often had membership made up of men from certain clusters of Sicilian mafia towns, may have had an easier time keeping to traditions, too, while NYC had much more diverse members and many from outside mafia tradition.

Americanization could be a factor, but it's weird how the mob selectively Americanizes some things and not others, especially words. You only see members refer to the "consigliere". You don't really see sources use alternate or English words, like "counselor". In Valachi's book they translated capodecina and consigliere to "lieutenant" and "counselor" but in early interviews with the FBI he gave them the traditional terms. The popularity of the Godfather made sure that "consigliere" is here to stay and the word is a part of American pop culture at this point, but even before this there wasn't much variation in how members referred to the position, while there were already many different terms in both languages for boss, captain, and soldier.

[TommyGambino]

Ik we went over this several times.... But the GAMBINO ZIPS were two different crews right??

18th Ave / cherry Hill Gambinos (or only John??) Crew which is Mannino et Al.

And then the Conte/Cefalu and Cali crew

Cali was 18th ave

[moneyman]

felice, do you have any updated information on the status of Roberto Settineri? You've mentioned previously he was one of Cali's high-level Sicilian mafia associates. Settineri represented the Gambino's in a sitdown with the Colombos in Florida and Settineri operated under the protection of Gambino captain Gaetano Napoli.

He's an interesting figure to me because he was one of the few Sicilian associates we know about who was operating in the US recently. Curious to know if he's been made in Sicily and if he is still considered a high-level target by Italian/US authorities.

[scagghiuni]

felice, do you have any updated information on the status of Roberto Settineri? You've mentioned previously he was one of Cali's high-level Sicilian mafia associates. Settineri represented the Gambino's in a sitdown with the Colombos in Florida and Settineri operated under the protection of Gambino captain Gaetano Napoli.

He's an interesting figure to me because he was one of the few Sicilian associates we know about who was operating in the US recently. Curious to know if he's been made in Sicily and if he is still considered a high-level target by Italian/US authorities.

he was made in sicily (pagliarelli family)and his father was a made member too

[Angelo Santino]

felice, do you have any updated information on the status of Roberto Settineri? You've mentioned previously he was one of Cali's high-level Sicilian mafia associates. Settineri represented the Gambino's in a sitdown with the Colombos in Florida and Settineri operated under the protection of Gambino captain Gaetano Napoli.

He's an interesting figure to me because he was one of the few Sicilian associates we know about who was operating in the US recently. Curious to know if he's been made in Sicily and if he is still considered a high-level target by Italian/US authorities.

he was made in sicily (pagliarelli family)and his father was a made member too

That's the family that Lupo-Motisi relatives were affiliated with in 1890.

[moneyman]

felice, do you have any updated information on the status of Roberto Settineri? You've mentioned previously he was one of Cali's high-level Sicilian mafia associates. Settineri represented the Gambino's in a sitdown with the Colombos in Florida and Settineri operated under the protection of Gambino captain Gaetano Napoli.

He's an interesting figure to me because he was one of the few Sicilian associates we know about who was operating in the US recently. Curious to know if he's been made in Sicily and if he is still considered a high-level target by Italian/US authorities.

he was made in sicily (pagliarelli family)and his father was a made member too

That's the family that Lupo-Motisi relatives were affiliated with in 1890.

Really interesting stuff, thanks scagghiuni and CC. I've been reading the FBI and media press releases from Settineri's 2010 arrest, I can't find him listed as a made member. I'm assuming he was deported and made in Sicily sometime after 2010? felice mentioned that the Napoli's are from Villabate and they were very close to Salvatore Montalto, underboss of Salvatore Inzerillo. Is there a connection between the Pagliarelli family and the Inzerillo group?

CC - appreciate the insight regarding the Lupo-Motisi connection. Fascinating these relationships still exist in some form.

[Angelo Santino]

felice, do you have any updated information on the status of Roberto Settineri? You've mentioned previously he was one of Cali's high-level Sicilian mafia associates. Settineri represented the Gambino's in a sitdown with the Colombos in Florida and Settineri operated under the protection of Gambino captain Gaetano Napoli.

He's an interesting figure to me because he was one of the few Sicilian associates we know about who was operating in the US recently. Curious to know if he's been made in Sicily and if he is still considered a high-level target by Italian/US authorities.

he was made in sicily (pagliarelli family)and his father was a made member too

That's the family that Lupo-Motisi relatives were affiliated with in 1890.

Really interesting stuff, thanks scagghiuni and CC. I've been reading the FBI and media press releases from Settineri's 2010 arrest, I can't find him listed as a made member. I'm assuming he was deported and made in Sicily sometime after 2010? felice mentioned that the Napoli's are from Villabate and they were very close to Salvatore Montalto, underboss of Salvatore Inzerillo. Is there a connection between the Pagliarelli family and the Inzerillo group?

CC - appreciate the insight regarding the Lupo-Motisi connection. Fascinating these relationships still exist in some form.

[moneyman]

Thanks CC. What is the relationship between Ignazia Lupo and Francesco Gambino? Is Ignazia the son of Ignazio?

[Angelo Santino]

IgnaziO Lupo's sister IgnaziA married Francesco Gambino making them bro-in-laws.

[TommyGambino]

felice, do you have any updated information on the status of Roberto Settineri? You've mentioned previously he was one of Cali's high-level Sicilian mafia associates. Settineri represented the Gambino's in a sitdown with the Colombos in Florida and Settineri operated under the protection of Gambino captain Gaetano Napoli.

He's an interesting figure to me because he was one of the few Sicilian associates we know about who was operating in the US recently. Curious to know if he's been made in Sicily and if he is still considered a high-level target by Italian/US authorities.

He was indicted as a soldier, wonder if he is a zip

[moneyman]

felice, do you have any updated information on the status of Roberto Settineri? You've mentioned previously he was one of Cali's high-level Sicilian mafia associates. Settineri represented the Gambino's in a sitdown with the Colombos in Florida and Settineri operated under the protection of Gambino captain Gaetano Napoli.

He's an interesting figure to me because he was one of the few Sicilian associates we know about who was operating in the US recently. Curious to know if he's been made in Sicily and if he is still considered a high-level target by Italian/US authorities.

He was indicted as a soldier, wonder if he is a zip

You're right he was indicted as a soldier, my bad. If by zip you mean a member of the 18th avenue crew, then no. Looking at the great Gambino Sicilian Faction General Discussion thread from a few years ago, B mentions "Felice also said Napoli was in the crew of Dominick Pizzonia and then Louis Mastrangelo, which is interesting. Was he placed in that crew to keep an eye on him or was there some other reason Napoli ended up with that group?"

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