Open murder cases on John Carneglia

[NYNighthawk]

watts was backup, not one of the four shooters

+1
Even as a backup he there and that's makes him part of the conspiracy to commit a double homicide.

[bert]

They had nothing years ago, they can't make stuff up now.

[NYNighthawk]

They had nothing years ago, they can't make stuff up now.

Bert- yee has such little faith in our government capabilities.

[bert]

They had nothing years ago, they can't make stuff up now.

Bert- yee has such little faith in our government capabilities.

No, not much. They can pressure Gravano to change his story, or get others to lie in order to get a prosecution, the government has power. I just don't see it happening now.

[bronx]

Gravano can never testify for the G again.

[slimshady_007]

Gravano can never testify for the G again.

True. Gravano’s days as a witness are over. If he was ever brought to the witness stand defense lawyers would rip him apart.

[Adam]

What about possibly Tony Plate?

[Rocco]

If they put a federal grand jury together - give immunity to Gene , Sammy and Vallario - could they ruffle the feathers a little? Possible indictment? Force John to take a plea?

Those guys would say nothing and wind up taking a contempt charge, maybe do some time. In the end, they probably wouldn't have enough to indict, never mind convict.
Artuso was another guy who was never charged. I wonder if his gun jamming and his not firing was a cause of him never being charged, although they would certainly have enough for conspiracy.
Who knows.

yup. he out yet from the Palm Beach county case?

[Bruno187]

Yes...he's been out a while now.

[NYNighthawk]

Vinny Artuso had a great pastry shop on Arthur Ave in the Bronx years ago. I haven't been there in 30 years - is he or his family still running it?

[Bruno187]

It's his family's place. His brother's own and run it, he has nothing to do with it anymore.

[JMAN723]

What about possibly Tony Plate?

. I don’t think so. I’ve always heard Willie Boy Johnson was the one who killed Plate on orders from Gotti. Now it’s possible Gotti,Angelo, Carneglia assisted but I don’t know.

[Chaps]

My feeling has always been the Feds were obsessed with convicting Gotti. I really don’t think that after that they gave a shit about who was involved. Gravano gave up the names on the Castellano hit. They could have indicted but didn’t.

[Targenmantarian]

In the golden era of mob mayhem from the late 70s to the early 90s there's gotta be many many unsolved or semi solved but uncharged bodies in NYC especially.

Unless there's an untested DNA sample ala Mikey Cigars or some crazy media attention like the three capos no one cares about them.

It takes a movie on the dead guys to prompt a reopening.

Arresting people for selling drugs is a zillion times easier and they get to keep the money.

Absent the public caring the rest of it is hard work and falls by the wayside of easy wiretap cases and revenue collection.

[JMAN723]

Growing up in NY especially with my father being a cop I always heard stories about a lot of bodies being discovered that were non related and since DNA evidence wasn’t like what it is now it make it so difficult to attach to it anybody specifically. So yeah there are so many unsolved that we will never know