Patriarcas 2015 ?

[Wiseguy]

I will say that as much as I "thought" I knew on the Patriarca's, I was proven wrong. I've read everything I could, but law enforcement, investigative reporters and FBI Reports aren't the only places to get some info, you gotta get to the street a bit. There are two sides to every story. Over on GBB, a guy with the moniker JoeRusso claims that the Patriarca's are getting stronger...which I don't buy at all, but he definitely has some other knowledge. IRA is our Boston guy here, solid info. They are certainly not dead like everybody claims including myself a while back, but they were a bit deeper in membership than people thought and have solid depth at the key positions. Will they ever be how they were when Ray Sr was in charge? No, but no family across the country are as strong as they were when guys like Gambino, Chin, Salerno, Bruno, Accardo and Corallo...we live in a different time. They lost a lot of key guys and have probably laid low a bit until the dust settled, but there is still some things going on...and some of the key people have scaled down a bit to stay under the radar, which is the smart move. Some guys got out, some are getting out. It'll be interesting to watch what happens. I think Cheese may be the boss at some point in the future when a few of the well respected aging members pass on. You just hope he doesn't make his brother UB or Consigliere. They are one of the more intriguing families, but they need to get Providence back in shape, they're in trouble down there. Lost all they're key guys. Matty is off restrictions, be interesting to see what happens down there.

One thing which should be indicative about the declining strength of NE is the average/mean age of buttons. RI has to be late close to 70's with Boston not far behind.

NE dont start making new blood attrition if nothing else will kill them.

(@ Wiseguy: THATS whats different from NE now compared to NE early 90's when people were sounding the death knell. 25yrs ago...these guys were 25yrs younger.)

I would definitely disagree with anyone who think the New England family is getting stronger. That's simply not the case. The decline has been there, albeit slower than many have predicted. The family has apparently made some new guys in recent years but I don't think it's anywhere enough to stave off the attrition of the membership getting older. Of course, as we've seen, becoming senior citizens doesn't necessarily stop these guys from being active.

[dixiemafia]

I wonder, is that Frank Salemme listed Cadillac Frank or a son? I know his brother was active but I admit I don't know a whole lot about Cadillac Frank other than he was supposedly boss for a short time and was shot.

After the bugged initiation and Junior and Bianco was gone the power went to Boston and it seemed like things went South from there for a while.

[Pogo The Clown]

I wonder, is that Frank Salemme listed Cadillac Frank or a son?

Cadillac Frank did have a son (Frank Jr.) who was made but he died back in the 90s. I believe it was AIDS. Frank Sr. was the Boss for most of the 90s but he ended up flipping after it came out that Flemmi and Bulger had been informing on him.


Pogo

[dixiemafia]

Thanks. Didn't know he had a son. I knew he flipped on some and was still running around the North End still today I think I seen on t.v. or on the net.

I was just confused because I had never heard the name before but of course I'm still playing catch up on the Boston side of things.

Whatever happened to Jackie Salemme? He ran around with Flemmi at one time I know.

[Pogo The Clown]

I'm pretty sure Jackie Salemme is inactive. Has been for a while (probably since his brother gave up info). He did serve as Acting Boss for his brother in the mid 90s until he himself was indicted,


Pogo

[tmarotta]

If Parillo had been consiglieri starting 5 years ago, wouldn't it stand to reason that he would have been indicted or at least mentioned when that strip club bust went down. I mean Deluca was wired at that time as well, you would think something would have come out then. I also heard Jackie Salemme has been shelved (by Shacks) since Frank flipped.

[Pogo The Clown]

Yeah that was another reason I wasn't buying it.


Pogo

[dixiemafia]

I'm pretty sure Jackie Salemme is inactive. Has been for a while (probably since his brother gave up info). He did serve as Acting Boss for his brother in the mid 90s until he himself was indicted,


Pogo

Wow I figured Jackie The Bear (wasn't that his nickname?) was dead by now for some odd reason. I know Flemmi dropped a lot of crimes to the Feds that they committed together. Just a twisted crazy mess that was.

[IRA]

I will say that as much as I "thought" I knew on the Patriarca's, I was proven wrong. I've read everything I could, but law enforcement, investigative reporters and FBI Reports aren't the only places to get some info, you gotta get to the street a bit. There are two sides to every story. Over on GBB, a guy with the moniker JoeRusso claims that the Patriarca's are getting stronger...which I don't buy at all, but he definitely has some other knowledge. IRA is our Boston guy here, solid info. They are certainly not dead like everybody claims including myself a while back, but they were a bit deeper in membership than people thought and have solid depth at the key positions. Will they ever be how they were when Ray Sr was in charge? No, but no family across the country are as strong as they were when guys like Gambino, Chin, Salerno, Bruno, Accardo and Corallo...we live in a different time. They lost a lot of key guys and have probably laid low a bit until the dust settled, but there is still some things going on...and some of the key people have scaled down a bit to stay under the radar, which is the smart move. Some guys got out, some are getting out. It'll be interesting to watch what happens. I think Cheese may be the boss at some point in the future when a few of the well respected aging members pass on. You just hope he doesn't make his brother UB or Consigliere. They are one of the more intriguing families, but they need to get Providence back in shape, they're in trouble down there. Lost all they're key guys. Matty is off restrictions, be interesting to see what happens down there.

This is all Ill say in this thread. Your not gonna know about Anthony until he a bust goes down and it comes out what he is, you guys can speculate all you want about who's made and who's not, but just cause you haven't heard or read it in FBI reports or any other type of LE or informant document doesn't mean anything. They don't always know and you guys can believe that all you want, but it means nothing that it hasn't been proven. And Joe Russo pumps shit up on BB cause it's obvious they aren't getting stronger, but some of what he says is good and he goes real far in what he talks about. I don't know the guy personally and had arguments over shit with him like in the past, but he knows some.

And this is some guy on BB who posted , I haven't commented on there about Boston in a long time on BB and I'm done on here, but I look to see what people say about around here and I agree with some of this

Bennie_The_Ball

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JoeRusso is a straight shooter. The North End is not a big place . Neither is East Boston or Revere. If you grow up in the middle of everything and your friends and relatives live the life and you still to this day cavort with these same people you grew up with , went to school with, you just know. We're not talking New York or Chicago here it's Boston. Plus any information YOU have from reading is after the fact . Joe is in the now. Seriously though the guys today couldn't shine the shoes of the guys from back in the 50's ,60's and 70's. Once coke made it's presence in the cowboy 80's it was all downhill from there. With Massachusetts and other surrounding states clamping down BIGTIME on opioids it's "smack" time again. More rats are born with every pinch.
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[Eddie mush]

Any1 know who the east Boston. capo is these days ??

Also do any wiseguys have money invested In the Boston strip clubs ?? Was thinking if these guys are so into shaking down providence strip clubs why not Do the same thing in Boston unless the wiseguys already have there money invested in there

[Eddie mush]

Anybody on here have a copy of the article that contains the list of people that Peter limone was not allowed to be in contact with after he pled no contest about 5 yrs ago??

[JerryB]

Anybody on here have a copy of the article that contains the list of people that Peter limone was not allowed to be in contact with after he pled no contest about 5 yrs ago??

Here's the Middlesex DA's press release on Limone's plea deal:

Limone Pleads In Connection With Organized Crime Activities

For Immediate Release July 1, 2010
Contact: Press Office
781-897-8325

WOBURN – Peter Limone pled this morning in connection with an array of organized crime felonies, Middlesex District Attorney Gerry Leone informed the public today.

Peter Limone, 76, of Medford pled to charges of Extortion (4 counts), organizing and promoting a gambling syndicate, criminal usury (often known as “loansharking”), keeping gaming materials, and Conspiracy to commit crimes with other members of his organization (5 counts).

The Commonwealth requested Limone be sentenced to a term of not less than two and one half years and not more than five years in state prison on each of three counts, followed by five years probation with conditions on each of the remaining indictments. Middlesex Superior Court Judge Leila Kern sentenced Limone to a pair of two-and-one-half year suspended sentences, each suspended for five years, to run consecutively to one another, on each of the first two counts alleging Extortion, and five years probation on each of the remaining counts with conditions that Limone must stay away from and have no contact, direct or indirect, with any of a list of organized crime figures and must submit to GPS monitoring. The matters of forfeiture and restitution will be addressed at a subsequent hearing.

“This defendant played a primary leadership role in this extensive organized crime ring, responsible for victimizing and extorting people, taking advantage of their weaknesses and vulnerabilities by promoting and operating illegal betting rings and loansharking throughout Greater Boston,” District Attorney Leone said. “One of the more outrageous aggravating factors of this case, is that this defendant continued with this activity for months after the search warrants were executed at his home, exhibiting a criminal appetite and propensity and disregard for our laws that form the basis for the commission of these serious crimes. To the extent that previous governmental injustices occurred, that does not and cannot result in perpetual impunity and a license to commit crimes without fair and just punishment.”

According to authorities, an investigation conducted by the Middlesex District Attorney’s PACT Unit and Massachusetts State Police Special Service Section, uncovered activities associated with two crime rings – one headed by Limone and the other allegedly headed by Steven Contrada, 55, of Wilmington. Contrada’s trial is scheduled for October 5, 2010.

On December 4, 2008, at approximately 4 p.m., Limone was arrested at his home in Medford. In addition, three other members of Limone’s organization were arrested that afternoon, whose cases are still pending.

Thomas Palladino, 77, of Malden
Joseph DiPrizio, 52, of Florida
Anthony Squillante, 76, of Boston

Those four men and sixteen others were indicted by a Middlesex Grand Jury after a lengthy investigation.

In the Limone organization, “agents” utilized the organization to make layoff bets for customers. The Limone organization was highly structured.

At the top of the organization was Limone, who exercised control over the organization’s agents, had others serve as a buffer between him and the agents, made key decisions for the organization over how credit would be extended and to whom, and directed how the members would conduct business and how proceeds from its illegal activities would be distributed. Limone rarely ever used the telephone, controlling the operation through a series of subordinates who, when they spoke of him, used nicknames including “the Camera Guy” and “Chief Crazy Horse.”

Squillante allegedly served as the intermediary between Limone and many agents in the organization, conducting face-to-face meetings and exchanging thousands of dollars in cash between Limone and others.

DiPrizio, whose principle place of business was run out of Florida, allegedly served as the “office manager” of the central “booking office.” Each day before the sporting events began, the agents or their customers would call in their bets to DiPrizio. DiPrizio was responsible for keeping the organization’s written records of bets won and lost, and money owed by various parties. Agents and customers used codenames, including combinations of letters and numbers, in order to conceal their identities. It is alleged that DiPrizio took hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bets on a wide range of sporting events, including football, baseball, basketball and horseracing.

Palladino was the organization’s primary “runner” for Limone and Squillante, handling its payments and collections of debts owed. Palladino was observed and monitored on numerous occasions meeting with various agents in public parking lots around Middlesex County, delivering or receiving tens of thousands of dollars in illegal gaming monies, and discussing outstanding “figures” or gambling debts.

The Limone organization generated proceeds through three schemes – gambling revenue, loan sharking, and extortion. The gambling revenue was generated through agents making and collecting layoff bets, with the Limone organization taking a percentage of the profits. A second scheme was through “loan sharking,” charging usurious (illegally high) rates of interest on unpaid gaming debts owed to the organization. This practice of charging exceedingly high interest made it nearly impossible for many individuals in debt to the organization to pay their way out of the debt.

Finally, the Limone organization collected extortion payments (“rent”) from at least four other unaffiliated bookmakers operating in and around Greater Boston. These individuals were instructed that they would have to make cash payments each and every month in exchange for being allowed to conduct their own illegal gaming business without interference. The bookmakers were made to understand that the demand for payment came from members of organized crime. They were also made to understand that the only alternative to paying the Limone organization would be to shut down their gaming operations altogether. As a result, the four bookmakers paid tens of thousands of dollars in extortionate proceeds.

On March 28, 2008, State Police executed a series of search warrants at locations used by the Limone organization, including at Limone’s Medford residence. Seized that day was contraband and evidence of illegal activity, including more than $26,000 in cash. This illegal activity by Limone and others continued following that date despite the fact that they were on notice of the criminal investigation, and continued up until the time of his indictment.

The prosecutors assigned to this case were Assistant District Attorney David Solet and Assistant District Attorney John Verner. The case was investigated by the Middlesex District Attorney’s PACT Unit and the Massachusetts State Police Special Services Section.

The Middlesex District Attorney’s PACT Unit, established when District Attorney Leone took office, is dedicated to the investigation and prosecution of cases of public protection (including narcotics and organized crime), anti-terrorism, corruption, and technology. The Unit has investigated and prosecuted multiple cases of alleged public corruption and organized crime, including:

Commonwealth vs. John Buonomo, in which the defendant, the former Register of Probate, pled guilty to the theft of thousands of dollars of public monies.
Commonwealth vs. Richard Stewart and Joseph Falzone, in which the defendants, two Department of Conservation and Recreation employees, pled guilty to the theft of more than 2000 feet of cast-iron coping from the Longfellow Bridge and selling it to a scrap yard for approximately $12,000.
Commonwealth vs. David Annis, a Lowell police officer found guilty on extortion and other charges.
Commonwealth vs. Paul Camilli, the former Superintendent of Public Works in the town of Maynard, found guilty of soliciting cash payments from a private developer in exchange for relaxing the permitting and inspection process for a construction project.
http://middlesexda.com/news/press-relea ... ference=30

[tmarotta]

The list was essentially every person who has been identified as a made member in the Patriarca Family. Some of the guys on the list have since died such as Rudy Sciarra. Basically look at Pogo's chart at the beginning of the thread, and add in the guys who have died in the past few years. The point of the article is with the exception of guys such as Angelesco, everyone else is old as dirt. There are a few associates on the list such as Arthur Gianelli, whom I believe was already locked up at the time, but mostly it was guys who have been identified as made guys in the past. Mark Rossetti was on the list as well (he had not been publicly identified as an informant when the article was written). Hope this helps a little bit.

[Eddie mush]

Jerry thank u for the reaponse but I was looking for the article with the list of people or just the list itself . I had heard my cousins husband was on the list . I know he is a bookie but don't think he would be big enough to make that list

[tmarotta]

Here is the article by Howie Carr, it did not have the complete list (I will try to find the actual list), but regardless here it is.

I think I have mobster Peter Limone’s next lawsuit against the government – this one will be for age discrimination.
As you know, back in 1968 the feds framed Limone and three others for a gangland hit, and he did 33 years in prison for a crime he did not commit. Now Limone’s going to get $26 million from the feds. But as he waited for his check in the mail, he got into illegal gambling and just had to plead out to state charges.
At the sentencing the cops had the nerve to give him a list of “individuals that Defendant Peter Limone should be barred from contacting directly or indirectly.”
You’ve heard of Goodfellas? The 53 people on this list are Oldfellas. In their day maybe they were fearsome, but now Limone’s pals pose a greater danger to the Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds than public safety.
Oh, sure, the list includes a handful of younger gangsters like William Angelesco, a 38-year-old Chelsea plug ugly who in 2005 was acquitted of murdering the owner of a Revere strip club.
But there’s a lot more like the Lamattina brothers. Peter Limone cannot have anything to do with Ralphie “Chong” Lamattina. Ralphie Chong is 88 years old. He has a younger brother known as “Joe Black.” Joe Black is 80.
Then there’s Rudy Sciarra from Providence, age 86. According to the Providence Journal, he most recently came to the cops’ attention last year when they were running a handicap-placard sting downtown.
Peter Limone is also verboten to have anything to do with Rhode Island Mafioso Louis “Baby Shanks” Manochio, age 83, who once went to the can for giving a hot washing machine to his mother.
The first name on the list of gangsters Limone can’t talk to is Carmen DiNunzio, the Cheeseman. At 52, the 400-pound Cheeseman is a kid. Alas, he’s locked up in the feds’ Fort Dix medical facility until Jan. 27, 2015. So even before the list came out, he and Peter probably weren’t going to have much contact, not unless The Ride goes to Ayer.
Another LCN “kid” on the list is Mark Rossetti of East Boston, who was arrested in May on heroin charges. Rossetti’s lawyer begged for mercy for his client, telling the judge that Rossetti is “on a state disability subsidy.” Not another one!
Then there’s Anthony “the Saint” St. Laurent – “Public Enema No. 1,” as he’s known for his suppository jones. He’s the one who was recorded telling a rat how to kill his arch-rival Robert DeLuca.
“Shoot him in the bleepin’ head. Say this is from the Saint.”
I always wondered, wouldn’t it have made more sense to say “This is from the Saint” before you shoot a guy in the head. Oh well, the hit never happened anyway, and Robert DeLuca’s on the no-fly list too. He’s only 65, the same age as Rubber Lips Patriarca, who I’m pretty sure none of these guys hang out with anymore under any circumstances.
In his youth, Dennis Lepore used to be known as Champagne Dennis. But at age 63, maybe now he’s “Metamucil Dennis.” Robert Carrozza and John Cincotti are both 70, as is Pryce Quintina. Frank Imbruglia, age 68, is likewise on the list. Imbruglia’s nom de mob is “the Man with the Ugly Face.”
Richie Gambale and Jackie Salemme are both 67, as is Bobo Marrapese, a once fearsome Rhode Island thug who was later recorded singing the blues about his underworld just desserts.
“How do you think I feel? I got 3 houses, 5 businesses, 5 kids, 2 girlfriends and a wife.”
And Peter Limone can’t talk to any of these fellow Golden Agers? What a drag it is getting old.