gohnjotti wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:51 amThat being said, do I think there will be a power struggle in the Colombo family? No, not really. A Massachusetts-based soldier with essentially zero ties to New York was promoted to street boss purely because an imprisoned Allie Persico said so, and he wasn't met with any resistance. Following Andy Russo's 2011 imprisonment and detention without bail, a long-retired soldier in Los Angeles and a Florida-based soldier were called in to run the family and, again, there doesn't seem to have been any resistance. Finally, and most importantly, money has continued to flow into the Persico family's hands, even when they were almost all behind bars. There are are lot of examples of that in recent court papers, mostly pointing to Angelo Spata, who dispensed money from Joker-Poker operations to the imprisoned Persicos, sent $5000 of Califano's shakedown to the imprisoned Persicos, and demanded that acting capo Anthony Russo collect money owed by associate Richie Cappa as part of the Persico family's Christmas tribute, which indicates that associates far-and-wide are obliged to kick up Christmastime tributes to the imprisoned leadership.
Very nicely put, Gohn. I think the times of somebody willing to challenge their authority are long gone and the Colombos will most likely burn in flames before a non-Persico gets to steer the ship to the bottom.
Agreed. And even though the family has a lot of violent people, Joey Amato included, I don't think going toe-to-toe with Teddy Persico Jr. would end well. I'm not trying to hype him up into anything he's not, but from law enforcementtapes alone it is clear that Teddy is willing - if not downright eager - to murder people. He was a bloodthirsty motherfucker back when he was selling coke in the 1980s (responsible for at least one murder during this timeframe, and even conspired to murder capo Joel Cacace). When he finally got out of prison in 2004, he was very close to murdering associate George Fanelli and supposedly made a list of suspected cooperators whom he would murder before he was incarcerated.
Hey Gohn,
I was on RD years ago and I have to say your work is without a doubt THE best stuff I have seen.
Any additional info on the conspiracy to murder Joel Cacace?
Thank you Etna, I appreciate it a lot. In a nutshell, court documents in Persico Jr.’s 2010 case revealed that he was planning on murdering Joel Cacace in the 1980s, because he was worried - and rightfully so - that Cacace was going to murder Teddy Persico’s pal Frank Smith. Essentially, Teddy Persico was going to attend a meeting with Joel Cacace and if Joe Waverly announced that he was going to murder Smith, Teddy and an accomplice would murder him right there. Teddy prepared guns and told a cooperating witness that he believed he had the authority to avoid facing any repercussions.
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:22 pm
Thank you Etna, I appreciate it a lot. In a nutshell, court documents in Persico Jr.’s 2010 case revealed that he was planning on murdering Joel Cacace in the 1980s, because he was worried - and rightfully so - that Cacace was going to murder Teddy Persico’s pal Frank Smith. Essentially, Teddy Persico was going to attend a meeting with Joel Cacace and if Joe Waverly announced that he was going to murder Smith, Teddy and an accomplice would murder him right there. Teddy prepared guns and told a cooperating witness that he believed he had the authority to avoid facing any repercussions.
Now that I think about it, both Teddy Jr. and Joe Waverly haven’t been on the streets at the same time since the 1980s. Not that I think there will be any bad blood, of course.
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:51 amThat being said, do I think there will be a power struggle in the Colombo family? No, not really. A Massachusetts-based soldier with essentially zero ties to New York was promoted to street boss purely because an imprisoned Allie Persico said so, and he wasn't met with any resistance. Following Andy Russo's 2011 imprisonment and detention without bail, a long-retired soldier in Los Angeles and a Florida-based soldier were called in to run the family and, again, there doesn't seem to have been any resistance. Finally, and most importantly, money has continued to flow into the Persico family's hands, even when they were almost all behind bars. There are are lot of examples of that in recent court papers, mostly pointing to Angelo Spata, who dispensed money from Joker-Poker operations to the imprisoned Persicos, sent $5000 of Califano's shakedown to the imprisoned Persicos, and demanded that acting capo Anthony Russo collect money owed by associate Richie Cappa as part of the Persico family's Christmas tribute, which indicates that associates far-and-wide are obliged to kick up Christmastime tributes to the imprisoned leadership.
Very nicely put, Gohn. I think the times of somebody willing to challenge their authority are long gone and the Colombos will most likely burn in flames before a non-Persico gets to steer the ship to the bottom.
Agreed. And even though the family has a lot of violent people, Joey Amato included, I don't think going toe-to-toe with Teddy Persico Jr. would end well. I'm not trying to hype him up into anything he's not, but from law enforcementtapes alone it is clear that Teddy is willing - if not downright eager - to murder people. He was a bloodthirsty motherfucker back when he was selling coke in the 1980s (responsible for at least one murder during this timeframe, and even conspired to murder capo Joel Cacace). When he finally got out of prison in 2004, he was very close to murdering associate George Fanelli and supposedly made a list of suspected cooperators whom he would murder before he was incarcerated.
Him and his cousin little Allie both.... Allie was just much,much low key and didnt seem to whipser more than a few words to anyone.. Ahja teddy on the other hand would let it be known to everyone what he was going to do to you... but I give him respect cause most guys who sit and talk about how violent they’re going to get have never and could never even bust a grape let alone a head... the wiretaps of him when kenji gave him the taped cell phone are fucking hilarious... talking about how he needs to leave a body in the street so people know to respect him.. and when he’s talking to someone I forget who but he’s yelling at them to bring the fucking sub machine guns to his mothers house and the person asked if he wore gloves and wiped down the bullets whole loading the magazines and he got so offended and was like you tgink this is my first fucking time??? That was when he was going to clip Craig Marino but for some reason didn’t go through with it ... wonder if after this bid if he’s mellowed our a bit... probably not.. if the first surveillance photo of him to come out Has him wearing a sweat suit and some white athletic shoes , I think it’s safe to say he’s still pumped up and ready to crack some heads. (The sweatsuit and white athletic shoes was a joke, me and my buddies always fuxk around and say I’d you see some guy over 50 years sold wearing a sweatsuit and any kind of prestine clean white athletic shoes that’s a sign that you don’t want to fuck with him)
