Faffy New Consigliere

[Frank]

Also the info seems really solid that Lance is acting boss street boss, which kind of makes the 3 man street boss panel improbable. So they make Narducci a member of a street boss panel and then a few months later take it away from him. That really would appease him.

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

Is there any new info if Mazzone, Narducci and Chang are still on a ruling panel? Maybe it was disolved after Lancelotti's promotion. I can see an administration restructure going on the last couple of years.

I thought it turned out that Anastasia backed off the claim of this ruling panel. I think since the indictment of Ligambi there has been so many different reports of who is who in the administration. It's been confusing on which is true. Merlino as boss is the only position that hasn't changed in the different opinions.

Merlino as boss and mikey lance as street boss r the only 100% confirmed positions. Mazzone is also prob up in the admin along with narducci.

I'm not sure about Narducci being in the administration, or if that ruling panel ever existed. When Ligambi was taken off the street, it was reported that Mazzone was acting boss or street boss and the younger Chang was underboss, not sure if he was official or acting. Then I believe the Anastasia report of the ruling panel came out a few years later, Wich I believe he ended up saying was wrong. Ligambi gets out and is reportedly now the consigliere. Chickie Chang gets out and is said to be underboss with his son acting underboss. Then it's reported that Chickie is co consigliere with Ligambi. Lance is then identified as what now turns out to be street boss. When Merlino is indicted in 2016 there was reports that Ligambi was acting boss again. And to confuse things even more, who was the official underboss, Ligambi or Mazzone, let's say in year 2010. Because I thought Mazzone was , but there is info that Ligambi was acting boss and the official Underboss. Also is acting boss and street boss different positions in Philadelphia or are we describing the same position.

It is a cluster fuck.

[Cheech]

Someone knows cause in the Servidio indictment it’s pretty clear there is a chain of command. What that is who knows?

[Fughedaboutit]

Phil Narducci isn’t in the admin or ever was. I personally don’t even think he’s involved.

Yeah I am not sure where slim gets some of his ideas...he doesnt seem to fit in admin

Not sure about him not being involved though, where did he get money to open up the restaurant?

[B.]

"Co-Consigliere"

That's kind of like a "Jewish Consigliere", right?

Faffy seemed like a vicious SOB in the Scarfo era. It takes a special kind of person to off a man right in front of his mom and then smack her with the murder weapon. Though Frank Friel said Faffy "could be quite a charming fellow when he's not killing people".

Tommy DelGiorino also claimed in an interview that Faffy Iannarella was one of the nicest guys he knew in the life. They were very close going back to the late 1970s through their time as captains together, but Iannarella was one of the guys who beefed on DelGiorno which led to his demotion and alleged murder contract. However, there was a police recording made at a Jersey shore condo that year where Iannarella expressed concern to Wayne Grande that DelGiorno might get "hurt" and Grande said, "He won't get hurt... yet." So he doesn't seem to have wanted DelGiorno to get harmed. To be fair, too, DelGiorno was by all accounts completely out of control before his demotion.

[Angelo Santino]

I think so much of that confusion stems from ScottB constantly changing the hierarchy per his "sources". Seems that every time a big name gets out he tries to fit him into the administration. Case in point Iannarella. GA and Dave S just said they don't know if Faffy has even gotten involved again but yet Scott is already trying to plug him in as the new Consigliere. I'm also not buying the Joe Ciancaglini Sr. being a a "Co-Consigliere". Sounds like his usual overhyping. The family never had that even at their peak but suddenly they started using 2 Consiglieres when they are on their last legs? I'm not buying him having been the UnderBoss with his own Acting UnderBoss either for the same reason. No other sources have made any mention of it except for him which immediately raises a red flag.


Did GA mention Ligambi being the Consigliere or did that also come from ScottB? I forgot.


Pogo

Nobody is telling anyone exactly what is what, same goes for GA, who talks to a few of these guys infrequently. He'd never ask them directly "So is Faffy the new Consigliere" nor would they share such details. There are however, fringe people who they can go to share their opinions on somebody. And it's never rocket science. If two guys are being released, one's a hitter and the other was the acting underboss in the 70's, these men are going to be sized up based on their past reputations. Dave'll be asking on the next Mob Sitdown: "So Mike the Hitter Fuckini, stand up guy, known in the streets as a killer, he could potentially be someone to come in and shake things up. Saying 'hey, I'm home now, I don't want to follow these guys.' What's stopping him, George?.. And second we have Capotonio "Tony Apples" Capoblanco, also a stand up guy, guy with proven leadership capabilities. With Merlino serving two years, could Tony Apples Capoblanco be the guy to step in and say 'Hey Joey, I don't like the way things are being run, I'm going to return it more to the old ways' and reorganize the Philly mob? And how does Merlino, serving two years in prison, respond?"

As you can see I was simply asking questions but I painted a loaded narrative so even if George responds "I don't know" fictional Fuckini's and Capoblanco's narratives are pretty much dangled for everyone to grab onto. Next thing you know they get speculated on whether or not they're part of the hierarchy for one reason or another.

This group for the past two decades has pretty much been a gambling and loansharking outfit, if you go by the convictions. I don't see the need for consiglieri, ruling panels and acting this or that for such a small and largely un-diversified group. Lastly, the so-called Merlino faction came out of the Scarfo faction, so even if Phil Narducci detests Merlino he's still friends with everyone around him. They all take photos together, this multi-faction bullshit needs to be put to the rest.

Dave on the Narducci Faction: "So a photo got released, of Phil Narducci, potential mafia capo, in front of fish, very reminiscent of the Godfather. Now that Merlino's serving two years, is Phil Narducci thinking of potentially stepping in and is this his message to Merlino that he better get out or he's going to end up sleeping with the fishes?"

[B.]

This group for the past two decades has pretty much been a gambling and loansharking outfit, if you go by the convictions. I don't see the need for consiglieri, ruling panels and acting this or that for such a small and largely un-diversified group. Lastly, the so-called Merlino faction came out of the Scarfo faction, so even if Phil Narducci detests Merlino he's still friends with everyone around him. They all take photos together, this multi-faction bullshit needs to be put to the rest.

I'd say historically that's what they were, too. A lot of the old line members and even leaders didn't have much going on aside from their legit/semi-legit businesses and loansharking/gambling. The scale might have been a bit different and able to support a much larger member/associate base, but I'd argue that Philly wasn't that much different on paper even in the "golden days" of the mob.

[Fughedaboutit]

I think so much of that confusion stems from ScottB constantly changing the hierarchy per his "sources". Seems that every time a big name gets out he tries to fit him into the administration. Case in point Iannarella. GA and Dave S just said they don't know if Faffy has even gotten involved again but yet Scott is already trying to plug him in as the new Consigliere. I'm also not buying the Joe Ciancaglini Sr. being a a "Co-Consigliere". Sounds like his usual overhyping. The family never had that even at their peak but suddenly they started using 2 Consiglieres when they are on their last legs? I'm not buying him having been the UnderBoss with his own Acting UnderBoss either for the same reason. No other sources have made any mention of it except for him which immediately raises a red flag.


Did GA mention Ligambi being the Consigliere or did that also come from ScottB? I forgot.


Pogo

Nobody is telling anyone exactly what is what, same goes for GA, who talks to a few of these guys infrequently. He'd never ask them directly "So is Faffy the new Consigliere" nor would they share such details. There are however, fringe people who they can go to share their opinions on somebody. And it's never rocket science. If two guys are being released, one's a hitter and the other was the acting underboss in the 70's, these men are going to be sized up based on their past reputations. Dave'll be asking on the next Mob Sitdown: "So Mike the Hitter Fuckini, stand up guy, known in the streets as a killer, he could potentially be someone to come in and shake things up. Saying 'hey, I'm home now, I don't want to follow these guys.' What's stopping him, George?.. And second we have Capotonio "Tony Apples" Capoblanco, also a stand up guy, guy with proven leadership capabilities. With Merlino serving two years, could Tony Apples Capoblanco be the guy to step in and say 'Hey Joey, I don't like the way things are being run, I'm going to return it more to the old ways' and reorganize the Philly mob? And how does Merlino, serving two years in prison, respond?"

As you can see I was simply asking questions but I painted a loaded narrative so even if George responds "I don't know" fictional Fuckini's and Capoblanco's narratives are pretty much dangled for everyone to grab onto. Next thing you know they get speculated on whether or not they're part of the hierarchy for one reason or another.

This group for the past two decades has pretty much been a gambling and loansharking outfit, if you go by the convictions. I don't see the need for consiglieri, ruling panels and acting this or that for such a small and largely un-diversified group. Lastly, the so-called Merlino faction came out of the Scarfo faction, so even if Phil Narducci detests Merlino he's still friends with everyone around him. They all take photos together, this multi-faction bullshit needs to be put to the rest.

Dave on the Narducci Faction: "So a photo got released, of Phil Narducci, potential mafia capo, in front of fish, very reminiscent of the Godfather. Now that Merlino's serving two years, is Phil Narducci thinking of potentially stepping in and is this his message to Merlino that he better get out or he's going to end up sleeping with the fishes?"

That is the Narducci faction? Looks like Phil on a random charter?

[Angelo Santino]

This group for the past two decades has pretty much been a gambling and loansharking outfit, if you go by the convictions. I don't see the need for consiglieri, ruling panels and acting this or that for such a small and largely un-diversified group. Lastly, the so-called Merlino faction came out of the Scarfo faction, so even if Phil Narducci detests Merlino he's still friends with everyone around him. They all take photos together, this multi-faction bullshit needs to be put to the rest.

I'd say historically that's what they were, too. A lot of the old line members and even leaders didn't have much going on aside from their legit/semi-legit businesses and loansharking/gambling. The scale might have been a bit different and able to support a much larger member/associate base, but I'd argue that Philly wasn't that much different on paper even in the "golden days" of the mob.

That's a good point.

[Ivan]

"Co-Consigliere"

That's kind of like a "Jewish Consigliere", right?

Faffy seemed like a vicious SOB in the Scarfo era. It takes a special kind of person to off a man right in front of his mom and then smack her with the murder weapon. Though Frank Friel said Faffy "could be quite a charming fellow when he's not killing people".

Tommy DelGiorino also claimed in an interview that Faffy Iannarella was one of the nicest guys he knew in the life. They were very close going back to the late 1970s through their time as captains together, but Iannarella was one of the guys who beefed on DelGiorno which led to his demotion and alleged murder contract. However, there was a police recording made at a Jersey shore condo that year where Iannarella expressed concern to Wayne Grande that DelGiorno might get "hurt" and Grande said, "He won't get hurt... yet." So he doesn't seem to have wanted DelGiorno to get harmed. To be fair, too, DelGiorno was by all accounts completely out of control before his demotion.

What DelGiornio interview was this? I don't think I've heard/read it.

Wayne Grande is the last person I would want to hear say something like that about me.

[B.]

"Co-Consigliere"

That's kind of like a "Jewish Consigliere", right?

Faffy seemed like a vicious SOB in the Scarfo era. It takes a special kind of person to off a man right in front of his mom and then smack her with the murder weapon. Though Frank Friel said Faffy "could be quite a charming fellow when he's not killing people".

Tommy DelGiorino also claimed in an interview that Faffy Iannarella was one of the nicest guys he knew in the life. They were very close going back to the late 1970s through their time as captains together, but Iannarella was one of the guys who beefed on DelGiorno which led to his demotion and alleged murder contract. However, there was a police recording made at a Jersey shore condo that year where Iannarella expressed concern to Wayne Grande that DelGiorno might get "hurt" and Grande said, "He won't get hurt... yet." So he doesn't seem to have wanted DelGiorno to get harmed. To be fair, too, DelGiorno was by all accounts completely out of control before his demotion.

What DelGiornio interview was this? I don't think I've heard/read it.

Wayne Grande is the last person I would want to hear say something like that about me.

It was an online newspaper article. It may have been written by Anastasia but I can't remember. It may still be online, will let you know if I come across it.

[Pogo The Clown]

Wayne Grande is the last person I would want to hear say something like that about me.

Ah he is not so scary. Tiny old man bullet riddled Harry Riccobene wrestled his gun way from him.


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

Dave on the Narducci Faction: "So a photo got released, of Phil Narducci, potential mafia capo, in front of fish, very reminiscent of the Godfather. Now that Merlino's serving two years, is Phil Narducci thinking of potentially stepping in and is this his message to Merlino that he better get out or he's going to end up sleeping with the fishes?"

Chris, your posts continue to delight bud.

[Fughedaboutit]

I think so much of that confusion stems from ScottB constantly changing the hierarchy per his "sources". Seems that every time a big name gets out he tries to fit him into the administration. Case in point Iannarella. GA and Dave S just said they don't know if Faffy has even gotten involved again but yet Scott is already trying to plug him in as the new Consigliere. I'm also not buying the Joe Ciancaglini Sr. being a a "Co-Consigliere". Sounds like his usual overhyping. The family never had that even at their peak but suddenly they started using 2 Consiglieres when they are on their last legs? I'm not buying him having been the UnderBoss with his own Acting UnderBoss either for the same reason. No other sources have made any mention of it except for him which immediately raises a red flag.


Did GA mention Ligambi being the Consigliere or did that also come from ScottB? I forgot.


Pogo

Nobody is telling anyone exactly what is what, same goes for GA, who talks to a few of these guys infrequently. He'd never ask them directly "So is Faffy the new Consigliere" nor would they share such details. There are however, fringe people who they can go to share their opinions on somebody. And it's never rocket science. If two guys are being released, one's a hitter and the other was the acting underboss in the 70's, these men are going to be sized up based on their past reputations. Dave'll be asking on the next Mob Sitdown: "So Mike the Hitter Fuckini, stand up guy, known in the streets as a killer, he could potentially be someone to come in and shake things up. Saying 'hey, I'm home now, I don't want to follow these guys.' What's stopping him, George?.. And second we have Capotonio "Tony Apples" Capoblanco, also a stand up guy, guy with proven leadership capabilities. With Merlino serving two years, could Tony Apples Capoblanco be the guy to step in and say 'Hey Joey, I don't like the way things are being run, I'm going to return it more to the old ways' and reorganize the Philly mob? And how does Merlino, serving two years in prison, respond?"

As you can see I was simply asking questions but I painted a loaded narrative so even if George responds "I don't know" fictional Fuckini's and Capoblanco's narratives are pretty much dangled for everyone to grab onto. Next thing you know they get speculated on whether or not they're part of the hierarchy for one reason or another.

This group for the past two decades has pretty much been a gambling and loansharking outfit, if you go by the convictions. I don't see the need for consiglieri, ruling panels and acting this or that for such a small and largely un-diversified group. Lastly, the so-called Merlino faction came out of the Scarfo faction, so even if Phil Narducci detests Merlino he's still friends with everyone around him. They all take photos together, this multi-faction bullshit needs to be put to the rest.

Dave on the Narducci Faction: "So a photo got released, of Phil Narducci, potential mafia capo, in front of fish, very reminiscent of the Godfather. Now that Merlino's serving two years, is Phil Narducci thinking of potentially stepping in and is this his message to Merlino that he better get out or he's going to end up sleeping with the fishes?"

You have to remember, Pogo wishes he has any sources or connections, but he doesnt. So he constantly disputes Scott, who has several sources. He has been correct very often, but all Pogo does is ignore that. Pathetic.

[Ivan]

Lastly, the so-called Merlino faction came out of the Scarfo faction

I said the same thing the other day. The Merlino faction is the sons/brothers/nephews/cousins/etc. of the Scarfo faction. They are one and the same.