Gangland - 4/5/18

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SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:09 pm
yatescj7781 wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:52 pm And then whack the relative after it's done.
With a high powered rifle? Get another relative to be the getaway driver??
Family reunions are going to be awkward for Yates after he whacks his entire family.

How many wiseguys do you think know how to use high-powered rifles, for starters?
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SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:09 pm
yatescj7781 wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:52 pm And then whack the relative after it's done.
With a high powered rifle? Get another relative to be the getaway driver??
Yeah nothing big. .243 or a .270. head or heart shot they ain't surviving, not with the points they have out these days. Forget police and ambulance response times, every deer I dropped this year I only had to track 1. And he only made it maybe 50 yards. The other 2 just bucked a couple times and went down. One I hit and the fucker went down in a half second flat.
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gohnjotti wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:14 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:09 pm
yatescj7781 wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:52 pm And then whack the relative after it's done.
With a high powered rifle? Get another relative to be the getaway driver??
Family reunions are going to be awkward for Yates after he whacks his entire family.

How many wiseguys do you think know how to use high-powered rifles, for starters?
No they aren't because I'm not a mobster. I'll only kill to protect me or my family. If my 11 year old daughter can pop deer with a .243 all season surely to God a grown adult man can do it. Roy DeMeo was a hunter, Louis milito. Scarpa let loose on the guy hanging Christmas lights or a wreath with a carbine. Which Mazza said was a he of a shot. Idk maybe it's different up there, I'm from the South, everybody has rifles, pistols, ar 15s and shit and been shooting them since we were kids. Just a hypothetical opinion from a Redneck idk.
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The guy who whacked out Nicolo Rizzuto used a rifle. What was it a 30.06? Not a far shot what was it 100 yards maybe. But still highly effective and a clean getaway. That's the thing with a rifle. You don't have to get close. You can reach out and touch somebody and they won't even know you're there.
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In all seriousness I’m actually surprised there aren’t more rifle hits. The Rizzuto hit was a good example of how effective it can be.
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SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:03 pm In all seriousness I’m actually surprised there aren’t more rifle hits. The Rizzuto hit was a good example of how effective it can be.
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SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:03 pm In all seriousness I’m actually surprised there aren’t more rifle hits. The Rizzuto hit was a good example of how effective it can be.
Agreed. Recent mob hits like the Meldish hit have just been so badly executed. The moment Mike was whacked, the police were able to figure out who was behind it within weeks; they just bode their time until they could get their enormous racketeering indictment.
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Justices take up violent crime question from Genovese crime family associate
An associate of the New York organized crime family wants the high court to find that his attempted murder charge does not qualify as a crime of violence.
KELSEY REICHMANN
June 3, 2024


WASHINGTON (CN) — The Supreme Court agreed on Monday to decide whether an associate of an infamous crime family should face additional prison time for attempted murder.

Salvatore Delligatti helped run an illegal sports-gambling operation in Queens for Robert DeBello, a “made” member of the Genovese crime family, part of the La Cosa Nostra criminal network in New York.

The justices took up Delligatti’s appeal to knock five years off his prison sentence because his murder plot failed — and he argues it therefore can't be considered a crime of violence. The court will decide whether an act of omission can disqualify an attempted murder from being considered part of that category.

In 2014, DeBello and Delligatti plotted to murder Joseph Bonelli, a local “bully” suspected of threatening the family’s gambling business. Bonelli was also causing issues for a gas station owner who paid Delligatti to orchestrate the murder.

Delligatti gave an accomplice $5,000 and a .38 revolver to murder Bonelli with the help of several members of the Crips gang. The crew planned to kill Bonelli when he arrived home but abandoned their initial attempt when Bonelli showed up with another person.

Delligatti ordered the crew to return and kill both Bonelli and his companion. By the time the group went back the next day, the police had been tipped off to the plot and intercepted the crew.

A grand jury indicted Delligatti on six charges, including conspiring to commit murder for hire, operating an illegal gambling business, racketeering and attempted murder.

Delligati was also charged with using a gun during a crime of violence, which carries a mandatory consecutive sentence. The government names the crime of violence in Delligati’s case as the attempted murder charge.

A jury in New York federal court found Delligatti guilty of all charges and he was sentenced to 25 years in prison. Delligatti appealed, arguing that his firearm charge wasn’t constitutional because his second-degree murder charge did not meet the elements of a crime of violence.

Delligatti claims that his crime was committed through inaction and therefore cannot be considered a crime of violence. Under this reading, Delligati could not be charged with using a gun during a crime of violence, which added five years to his sentence to be served consecutively to his concurrent 240-month sentence.

“A use-of-force clause applies only where a crime ‘has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force,” Allon Kedem, an attorney with Arnold & Porter representing Delligatti wrote. ”But where an offense can be committed by ‘total inaction,’ the defendant may ‘exert no physical force at all on the victim.’ Even an offense resulting in serious bodily injury or death, therefore, does not necessarily involve the use of physical force.”

The Second Circuit rejected Delligatti’s argument, finding no question that intentionally causing the death of another person involved the use of force.

Delligatti urged the justices to review his case, arguing that the lower courts were split on the conflict.

“Mr. Delligatti’s predicate offense of second-degree murder under N.Y. Penal Law § 125.25(1) is a good example because, like other New York homicide offenses, it can be committed by ‘failure to perform a legally imposed duty’” Kedem wrote.

The government agreed with Delligatti, telling the court that his case would be a good opportunity to resolve the circuit split.

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