Pogo The Clown wrote:According to Anthony Arilotta he was made by Anthony Nigro (Acting Capo) and Patsy DeLuca (Soldier/Capo). The only other made members present were soldier Steve Alfisi. Compare that to the other families who always have a lot of high ranking members present during their ceremonies.
Pogo
This isn't necessarily a new thing either.
If Carmine Taglialatella is to be believed, he was made in a small ceremony with Paul Vario (soldier or possibly acting captain) handling the ceremony after getting approval from the official captain. Pretty sure I've heard of other vague instances where captains handled ceremonies even in NY in the old days but I'm drawing a blank. I also recall an informant saying that a ceremony could be conducted by a captain.
Not necessarily true. Look at the Nicky O situation, although a big beef was that his name and others whom were made by Patty Specs and Tony Piccolo werent passed around to the other families., and Nicky O supposedly already being on record with Cabert & The Gambino's, he and the others whom were made with Fresolone are to this day recognized by law enforcement as members of the Bruno-Scarfo Crime Family. But again, thats law enforcement. I have no idea if it's actually different from the pov of various mob families in NY and their NJ extensions.
OlBlueEyesClub wrote:Not necessarily true. Look at the Nicky O situation, although a big beef was that his name and others whom were made by Patty Specs and Tony Piccolo werent passed around to the other families., and Nicky O supposedly already being on record with Cabert & The Gambino's, he and the others whom were made with Fresolone are to this day recognized by law enforcement as members of the Bruno-Scarfo Crime Family. But again, thats law enforcement. I have no idea if it's actually different from the pov of various mob families in NY and their NJ extensions.
In Philadelphia/SJ proper, the names only had to be distributed among the Philadelphia/Jersey family captains as far as I know, at least back in the 1960s. I could be wrong, but in the info I've seen I've never seen anything about them taking names up to NY while there is info about the names being taken to the family captains.
I believe the Newark members of the Philly had to be passed around to the other NY/NJ families because of their close proximity and the amount of business they do with each other.
Wiseguy wrote:It would have to be a long timer really high up to answer questions many are thinking. Even the couple captains that have flipped have been from the family's outposts on Springfield and Florida and didn't seem to have extensive information on the whole family. Which makes sense considering the compartmentalization and need-to-know approach the family reportedly uses.
Evidenced by that guy Rooster being upped to capo and going to meet the family leadership for the first time.
I mean if he's a made guy its crazy he hadn't met the top guys yet. Who made him!?! Maybe the Genovese let their captains make the guys who'll be under them.
When he got made , the leadership could have been different when he got upped to captain hence meeting them for the first time , don't forget there have been a lot of different panels and acting bosses since the chin died
No matter what panels or acting bosses were in place Bellomo has been behind them all pulling the strings especially since he got out of jail in 08. Just seems odd to let a guy you've only met once take over such an important spot running 2 separate crews in 3 states.
johnny_scootch wrote:No matter what panels or acting bosses were in place Bellomo has been behind them all pulling the strings especially since he got out of jail in 08. Just seems odd to let a guy you've only met once take over such an important spot running 2 separate crews in 3 states.
It's may be a case of him having to take a more direct role as the boss. If you look at the other family leaders (those identified as the acting boss or on the ruling panel) in recent years, Matthew Ianniello and Tino Fiumara are dead. Artie Nigro is doing life. Benny Mangano and Larry Dentico are in their 90s and Dominick Cirillo is not far off. All old even by West Side standards. Other than Bellomo himself, that only leaves Ernie Muscarella and Danny Leo. Not that there aren't other guys who haven't risen to fill leadership roles but I expect Bellomo is on a very short list of those who have the clout to actually be the first official boss of the family since Chin died in 2005.
My question is what was parello waiting for to whack this guy who killed his kid. The guy was not made no problem there. And he killed the son of a genovese capo. Shud been done years ago
Even if they asked gambino for the ok i think they get if for 2 reasons. 1) the guy was not italian he was a outsider abd i am sure if its a eye for a eye thing the gambino would rather give him up there one of there own 2) genovese is the biggest family in the country no way patsy gets a "no" from his bosses if he wants amatz . I mean they wacked his kid no boss telling his capo u cant act
Eddie mush wrote:My question is what was parello waiting for to whack this guy who killed his kid. The guy was not made no problem there. And he killed the son of a genovese capo. Shud been done years ago
Even if they asked gambino for the ok i think they get if for 2 reasons. 1) the guy was not italian he was a outsider abd i am sure if its a eye for a eye thing the gambino would rather give him up there one of there own 2) genovese is the biggest family in the country no way patsy gets a "no" from his bosses if he wants amatz . I mean they wacked his kid no boss telling his capo u cant act
Read the article again.
'Agents visited him and warned him that they learned there was a contract out on his life," said one law enforcement source. "They didn't tell him who was behind it, but he's been looking over his shoulder for years and he knew what it was all about. He made himself scarce."
Patsy only found out where he was in last couple of years.
OlBlueEyesClub wrote:Not necessarily true. Look at the Nicky O situation, although a big beef was that his name and others whom were made by Patty Specs and Tony Piccolo werent passed around to the other families., and Nicky O supposedly already being on record with Cabert & The Gambino's, he and the others whom were made with Fresolone are to this day recognized by law enforcement as members of the Bruno-Scarfo Crime Family. But again, thats law enforcement. I have no idea if it's actually different from the pov of various mob families in NY and their NJ extensions.
In Philadelphia/SJ proper, the names only had to be distributed among the Philadelphia/Jersey family captains as far as I know, at least back in the 1960s. I could be wrong, but in the info I've seen I've never seen anything about them taking names up to NY while there is info about the names being taken to the family captains.
I believe the Newark members of the Philly had to be passed around to the other NY/NJ families because of their close proximity and the amount of business they do with each other.
Thats true. I was just saying there are cases, well atleast one case, of guys being made when they're names weren't passed around to all the NY/NJ families.
My biggest question is how does Rubeo get Parrello involved with Merlino in Florida... Parrello is a successful businessman in his own right, he must have known Merlino had tons of heat all over him...
Ruben must have positioned himself as the only guy who could have brokered this lucrative deal with the skin cream.. hindsight is 20/20 but fact remains you have a Bronx based Genovese Captain working almost directly with Merlino... makes zero sense to me hopefully more documents are revealed... Rubeo must have one hell of a story
Sonny not sure what you mean when you say Merlino had nothing to do with the takedown..
Parrello sent or at least authorized Rubeo to meet and work with Merlino in FL..I thought it was stated that Merlino was involved with the skin care scam.. so by extension involved with Parrello.. I'd have to reread the indictment but that's how I remember it
moneyman wrote:Sonny not sure what you mean when you say Merlino had nothing to do with the takedown
He means that the informant was a Genovese guy with Porrello. So these guys would have been busted even if they hadn't delt with a high profile guy like Merlino.
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