Springfield Genovese chart, May 2004

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Re: Springfield Genovese chart, May 2004

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davidf1989 wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:41 am The name of Anthony Arrilotta's book is South End Syndicate: How I Took Over the Genovese Springfield Crew. Here is the link to the book on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com.au/South-End-Syn ... 8&qid=&sr=

does anyone know if John Bologna was Arrilotta's boss since he reported to Nigro?
Bologna was not his boss. He was a go between. Nigro was his boss.
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Excellent work. The politics are very interesting where you had the "official" Springfield decina, another faction reporting direct to the NY leadership, then a small Worcester decina under Mastrotortaro. This is the kind of stuff we'd never know without inside sources and why it's wise to never assume we know the formalities from the outside.

Ray Patriarca was originally from Worcester and first made by the Genovese Family. I believe he was in Providence by the time he was inducted but his roots in that area fit the Genovese presence in Worcester. He later presided over the induction of some of the Genovese Springfield / Worcester members, sort of the reverse of his own trajectory.
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Something that I never really knew until after reading some of the articles about Arillotta around the time of his indictment, but apparently Bologna was such a bad and shady informant that if Arilotta had actually taken it to trial, he would’ve had a legit shot at winning. Because much of Bologna’s testimony wouldn’t have been usable. Once Arillotta decided to cooperate, law enforcement realized that Bologna had been either straight up lying to them or withholding a bunch of critical information. Maybe they tricked Arillotta about how much Bologna had given them and he had no way of knowing most of it would be inadmissible. But now I wonder if Arillotta was just looking for a way out. I’ve seen him give multiple interviews where he doesn’t necessarily shun his criminal past, just the violence and mafia association. In one of his interviews with John and Gene, he was borderline advocating for doing criminal shit as long as you don’t do violence and stay away from mob guys.
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arillotta is ok in that aspect. he knows he was a criminal and loved it but really didn't want to do the rest of his life I think he gets indicted in like 2010 he's like 40yrs old he knows frank roache flipped for killing big al he can't beat it. plus a avalanche of other crimes and big john was telling on him the whole time. they should have just shelved bruno. nigro fucked up ordering that hit. it came out during the trial the fbi agent went up to bruno at a party I guess he was drunk and give the agent alittle to much. the agent put it in a 302 which went into fusco presentecing report got bruno whacked. he told the agent he didn't make fusco baba did. also came out during the trial bruno wasn't a cooperator or CI just said to much to a agent probaly half in the bag got himself killed. liquor gave him a big mouth and paid for it
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Pmac2 wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 6:31 pm arillotta is ok in that aspect. he knows he was a criminal and loved it but really didn't want to do the rest of his life I think he gets indicted in like 2010 he's like 40yrs old he knows frank roache flipped for killing big al he can't beat it. plus a avalanche of other crimes and big john was telling on him the whole time. they should have just shelved bruno. nigro fucked up ordering that hit. it came out during the trial the fbi agent went up to bruno at a party I guess he was drunk and give the agent alittle to much. the agent put it in a 302 which went into fusco presentecing report got bruno whacked. he told the agent he didn't make fusco baba did. also came out during the trial bruno wasn't a cooperator or CI just said to much to a agent probaly half in the bag got himself killed. liquor gave him a big mouth and paid for it
To your point about Nigro fucking up, one of the main things that stands out about Arilotta’s story is it seemed like it was a uniquely dysfunctional time in the Genovese Family. At least amongst the leadership. That like early 2000s period. Because for much of the rest of the last 40-50 years it’s been pretty smooth sailing for them….relatively speaking.
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Amershire_Ed wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 4:47 pm Something that I never really knew until after reading some of the articles about Arillotta around the time of his indictment, but apparently Bologna was such a bad and shady informant that if Arilotta had actually taken it to trial, he would’ve had a legit shot at winning. Because much of Bologna’s testimony wouldn’t have been usable. Once Arillotta decided to cooperate, law enforcement realized that Bologna had been either straight up lying to them or withholding a bunch of critical information. Maybe they tricked Arillotta about how much Bologna had given them and he had no way of knowing most of it would be inadmissible. But now I wonder if Arillotta was just looking for a way out. I’ve seen him give multiple interviews where he doesn’t necessarily shun his criminal past, just the violence and mafia association. In one of his interviews with John and Gene, he was borderline advocating for doing criminal shit as long as you don’t do violence and stay away from mob guys.
So was Bologna the Springfield version of Bulger? As mentioned in this article about Nigro https://www.masslive.com/news/2015/12/i ... als_i.html
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Amershire_Ed wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 10:15 pm
Pmac2 wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 6:31 pm arillotta is ok in that aspect. he knows he was a criminal and loved it but really didn't want to do the rest of his life I think he gets indicted in like 2010 he's like 40yrs old he knows frank roache flipped for killing big al he can't beat it. plus a avalanche of other crimes and big john was telling on him the whole time. they should have just shelved bruno. nigro fucked up ordering that hit. it came out during the trial the fbi agent went up to bruno at a party I guess he was drunk and give the agent alittle to much. the agent put it in a 302 which went into fusco presentecing report got bruno whacked. he told the agent he didn't make fusco baba did. also came out during the trial bruno wasn't a cooperator or CI just said to much to a agent probaly half in the bag got himself killed. liquor gave him a big mouth and paid for it
To your point about Nigro fucking up, one of the main things that stands out about Arilotta’s story is it seemed like it was a uniquely dysfunctional time in the Genovese Family. At least amongst the leadership. That like early 2000s period. Because for much of the rest of the last 40-50 years it’s been pretty smooth sailing for them….relatively speaking.
You make a good point. Wasnt this around the same time Farby was threatening cookie durso on the phone over some guy with a half sheet or something?
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that guy carlo mastrototaro supposedly had huge pull in NYC. very powerful throughout the ws fam. is this true?
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JoePuzzles234 wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:59 am Anthony Arillotta's book is coming out a week from now (September 17th), so this post might be a useful comparison to his info. It's based off what has been generally established already about the crew as well as some new info from Nicholas Parisi's Springfield book (City of Betrayal) that came out in August.

~May 2004 is used as it is 6 months since the Bruno murder and seems to be around the time when the C&S Vending (Sarno cousins) extortion began

Arillotta Group (Direct with Arthur Nigro)
Arthur Nigro aka Artie (Ruling Panel/Acting Admin)
DOB: 06/17/1944

John Bologna aka Big John (FBI informant)
DOB:
- associate & messenger for Nigro/DeLuca? Gambino associate?

Members:
Anthony Jude Arillotta Jr. aka Bingy
DOB: 04/02/1968

Emilio Fusco aka Kid (Formally with Springfield crew)
DOB: 10/09/1968
- despite their previous issues and Fusco technically being under Tranghese, it seems like he was "actually" with Arillotta

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WAS THIS CITY OF BETRAYAL BOOK ANY GOOD?
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CornerBoy wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:14 am WAS THIS CITY OF BETRAYAL BOOK ANY GOOD?
It's an okay read but the topic I was hoping to see covered (Tranghese as Springfield's captain) is pretty much non-existent and there was also too much focus on the Billy Grasso murder for a book about Springfield in my opinion.

Otherwise it is a good rough overview of the Scibelli brothers and also has some interesting info on the Arillotta-Manzi beef as well as other cool 2000s stuff that I don't think has been discussed before on the forum. It might be worth waiting for Arillotta's book instead of getting City of Betrayal if you're interested in the later years.
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JoePuzzles234 wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:38 am It's an okay read but the topic I was hoping to see covered (Tranghese as Springfield's captain) is pretty much non-existent.
Thought you'd find this interesting. It's from Tranghese's sentencing memorandum.

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I'm interested in whether Tranghese ever actually became the captain officially. Arillotta says that was the plan, and when he was first indicted in the Bruno case Tranghese was listed as a capo, but the sentencing memorandum only refers to him as a soldier.

If Tranghese ever did get the position he'd only have held it for a few years before being shelved.
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Re: Springfield Genovese chart, May 2004

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davidf1989 wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 10:19 pm So was Bologna the Springfield version of Bulger? As mentioned in this article about Nigro https://www.masslive.com/news/2015/12/i ... als_i.html
Absolutely not. The only thing they had in common was on informing. Bulger was informing while he was a boss. Bologna was far from a boss.
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chin_gigante wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:06 am
JoePuzzles234 wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:38 am It's an okay read but the topic I was hoping to see covered (Tranghese as Springfield's captain) is pretty much non-existent.
Thought you'd find this interesting. It's from Tranghese's sentencing memorandum.

I'm interested in whether Tranghese ever actually became the captain officially. Arillotta says that was the plan, and when he was first indicted in the Bruno case Tranghese was listed as a capo, but the sentencing memorandum only refers to him as a soldier.

If Tranghese ever did get the position he'd only have held it for a few years before being shelved.
Your previous posts about Tranghese are actually what made me pick up the book to see if there were more details about the whole situation. My personal take is that he was briefly the local captain but demoted prior to being shelved in 2006, since we hear about Pugliano being approached to take over in 2005 already.

Some interesting details from Parisi's book is that apparently both Geas brothers were involved in the construction site assault/shelving - Stephanie Barry's reporting notes that it was a "gang led by Freddy" so it could possibly be an error since Ty had been arrested the previous year and seems to still have been incarcerated at that time.

Emilio Fusco is also described as running the crew while Arillotta was locked up:
Meanwhile, Emilio Fusco assumed control over several Genovese family rackets in Springfield and, with Arillotta's approval, halted the flow of money from those rackets to the New York bosses.
He doesn't seem to have ever been identified as any sort of formal leader but it might be something to keep in mind.
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Fusco had the backing of Ernie Muscarella.
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JohnnyS wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:48 am Fusco had the backing of Ernie Muscarella.
Ernie bothered with someone so low down on the totem pole?

READ A LOT OF THE NEW SPRINGFIELD BOOK (CITY BETRAYAL?) ON TWO FLIGHTS AND HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT THEEY ARE TALKING ABOUT

i dont understand why they even bother with springfield. its not the nicest place in the world.

i dont even know where to begin asking questions.

what is the story about john bolgna? Are there two capos there? tranghese and arilottta?

Is the bruno position a capo or just a soldier that runs that area?

i almost gave up b.c all the names got so confusing.

IS IT ME OR WAS THAT BOOK WRITTEN TERRIBLY?
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