General Mob Questions

[StandUpGuy]

I am in the process of developing one

Great looking forward to reading it.

[JeremyTheJew]

Can I get a quick second thought on Johnny Gambino being made in Sicily??

I thought only Rosario or maybe even the other brother was Sicilian amico nostra

Most info points to only Rosario being made in Sicily

That's kinda what I thought....

[JeremyTheJew]

Who was Armand assante character in American Gangster supposed to be??

Ik Matty Madonna was Nicky Barnes supplier but Lucas was getting his stuff directly from Vietnam thru general Roberts aka general heroin.

So who is assante represent?? Genovese fam??

[JeremyTheJew]

Sorry no it was general Ike Atkinson in Vietnam

[chin_gigante]

3. What are the differences in the duties/functions/operations between an underboss and consigliere?

4. Would a captain keep running their crew day-to-day if they were promoted to underboss/consigliere?

Historically, the underboss and consigliere positions arguably carried equal weight, with different responsibilities, in the family, but now the consigliere role has more transitioned to a de facto number three position. While an underboss was appointed by the boss to act as a general buffer, street boss and second-in-command lined up to take over, at least in the immediate sense, should something happen to the boss, the consigliere was elected, like the boss, as a neutral arbitrator to settle family disputes and advise the boss. In Philadelphia when the consigliere Frank Monte was given the responsibility to handle the contract on Harry Riccobene, Riccobene had Monte killed in retaliation because he viewed Monte's involvement in organising murders as a violation of his role as consigliere.

Though not the case all the time, both positions have been known to have crews of soldiers reporting directly to them. Philadelphia is more my area of expertise, I remember reading that in the New York families at times the consigliere was allowed to have one soldier reporting direct to them. In Philadelphia the boss and underboss historically had soldiers reporting direct to them and when Antonio Caponigro became consigliere the soldiers in the family from Newark were officially assigned to him. When Philip Leonetti was promoted from capo to underboss his crew continued to report directly to him, so capos retaining their crews has happened but generally rarer than simply promoting a new capo to run the crew or having its members split up among other crews.

[TommyNoto]

Who was Armand assante character in American Gangster supposed to be??

Ik Matty Madonna was Nicky Barnes supplier but Lucas was getting his stuff directly from Vietnam thru general Roberts aka general heroin.

So who is assante represent?? Genovese fam??

Fictional character as Lucas was still buying kilos from the mafia. The movie was mostly BS ( but Ike did set up that Vietnam connect - not FL ). It was actually an East Harlem Italian H wholesaler who Lucas beat for $300K that dimed him out to NY LE. Lucas was allegedly a terrible payer and the guy he beat put out a contract on him . Unfortunately for him the hit man was a DEA informant, they popped him and then he rolled on FL

[JeremyTheJew]

Who was Armand assante character in American Gangster supposed to be??

Ik Matty Madonna was Nicky Barnes supplier but Lucas was getting his stuff directly from Vietnam thru general Roberts aka general heroin.

So who is assante represent?? Genovese fam??

Fictional character as Lucas was still buying kilos from the mafia. The movie was mostly BS ( but Ike did set up that Vietnam connect - not FL ). It was actually an East Harlem Italian H wholesaler who Lucas beat for $300K that dimed him out to NY LE. Lucas was allegedly a terrible payer and the guy he beat put out a contract on him . Unfortunately for him the hit man was a DEA informant, they popped him and then he rolled on FL

Lucas was buying kilos from the mafia??
Which fam?

[TommyNoto]

Who was Armand assante character in American Gangster supposed to be??

Ik Matty Madonna was Nicky Barnes supplier but Lucas was getting his stuff directly from Vietnam thru general Roberts aka general heroin.

So who is assante represent?? Genovese fam??

Fictional character as Lucas was still buying kilos from the mafia. The movie was mostly BS ( but Ike did set up that Vietnam connect - not FL ). It was actually an East Harlem Italian H wholesaler who Lucas beat for $300K that dimed him out to NY LE. Lucas was allegedly a terrible payer and the guy he beat put out a contract on him . Unfortunately for him the hit man was a DEA informant, they popped him and then he rolled on FL

Lucas was buying kilos from the mafia??
Which fam?

Yes , East Harlem/ Bronx , I think the guys name was Anthony Servino but would have to re watch the show where this was discussed ( Capture or Kill )

[JeremyTheJew]

Who was Armand assante character in American Gangster supposed to be??

Ik Matty Madonna was Nicky Barnes supplier but Lucas was getting his stuff directly from Vietnam thru general Roberts aka general heroin.

So who is assante represent?? Genovese fam??

Fictional character as Lucas was still buying kilos from the mafia. The movie was mostly BS ( but Ike did set up that Vietnam connect - not FL ). It was actually an East Harlem Italian H wholesaler who Lucas beat for $300K that dimed him out to NY LE. Lucas was allegedly a terrible payer and the guy he beat put out a contract on him . Unfortunately for him the hit man was a DEA informant, they popped him and then he rolled on FL

Lucas was buying kilos from the mafia??
Which fam?

Yes , East Harlem/ Bronx , I think the guys name was Anthony Servino but would have to re watch the show where this was discussed ( Capture or Kill )

The east Harlem crew in Genovese??
Or lukes Bronx team u think??

Also FYI.... in the MR UNTOUCHABLE DVD Nicky and Frank r talking and and Nicky tells him "ya well u were just the boss in Harlem.... I had all the Burroughs." Lucas didn't really fight back.

If u think about that....
That's a HUGE difference. Comparing a capo to a boss....

[Pogo The Clown]

Was Goodfellas a real term used by LCN or was it created by the movie? I know there was that wiretap of Sal Profaci using the term but that was after Goodfellas was a huge hit. I don't remember If any used the term before that.


Pogo

[bronx]

it was a term before the movie

[bert]

Was Goodfellas a real term used by LCN or was it created by the movie? I know there was that wiretap of Sal Profaci using the term but that was after Goodfellas was a huge hit. I don't remember If any used the term before that.


Pogo

It was a street term used by, for lack of a better word "Underworld" types as far back as the early 1900's, and adopted by the Mafia as a way to describe someone with them or in a family. In a book written around 1910, a fairly small time thief who was Chinese _American and a pickpocket used the term goodfella in his bio.

[Pogo The Clown]

Thanks for the info,


Pogo

[bert]

This is the book A good read

https://www.amazon.com/Pickpockets-Tale ... 0393329895

[JeremyTheJew]

Was Goodfellas a real term used by LCN or was it created by the movie? I know there was that wiretap of Sal Profaci using the term but that was after Goodfellas was a huge hit. I don't remember If any used the term before that.


Pogo

It was a street term used by, for lack of a better word "Underworld" types as far back as the early 1900's, and adopted by the Mafia as a way to describe someone with them or in a family. In a book written around 1910, a fairly small time thief who was Chinese _American and a pickpocket used the term goodfella in his bio.

Wasn't the term actually Wiseguy which is also the book title for Goodfellas??