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chin_gigante wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:57 am
Last week, Montreal police arrested and jailed a wiseguy [Mucci] with close ties to the leaders of the Bonanno family's Canada-based crew for being loaded for bear while he was in a car. That is the literal, official charge: Possession of a "prohibited weapon designed to repel bears." We kid you not.
"Loaded For Bear In Montreal", 02 September 2010.
I don't remember what Capeci reported about the rumored breakaway, but his language in this 2010 article suggests he still saw Montreal as a recognized Bonanno decina at the time. This would have been when Montagna was active.

Capeci also reported that the Montreal war was being talked about by Bonanno members in NYC during that period. This was years before the Valenti recordings became public, where Vincent Asaro met with the Bonventres to discuss the Montagna murder, so would be curious what Capeci heard about NYC Bonannos discussing Montreal.
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Weren't NYC Bonannos caught discussing the Nicolo Jr. murder as well? Or was that Asaro again
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That may have been when Capeci said NYC Bonanno members were talking about Montreal. Maybe someone can find it in Capeci's archives.
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The following notes are from a January 2010 article:
- The murder of Nick Rizzuto Jr is a "hot topic" among wiseguys in NY
- Nicolo Rizzuto leads the "Rizzuto clan"
- LE and underworld sources speculate the murder of Nick could lead to bloodshed in NY
- The Sicilian faction "includes about 25 Sicilian-born Bonanno mobsters, their relatives, and crew members - some of whom are American born"
- The murder of Nick brought to a head a lengthy push for the Sicilian faction and Montreal for more clout in the Bonanno family (and more cash)
- Nicolo Rizzuto has been acting more independently since the Sciascia murder
- "[Nicolo] sent back word that The Ironworker was a lightweight flunky and wasn't his boss"
- Nicholas Santora and Anthony Rabito sent emissaries to talk with the Sicilian faction in the 10 days after the murder of Nick Jr
- Santora and Rabito want Vincent Asaro to become boss
- Asaro is respected by the Sicilian faction
- Vito Grimaldi is an adviser in the Sicilian faction and is a key player in the talks
- Grimaldi is Joseph Cammarano Jr's father-in-law
- Vincent Badalamenti also has the backing of the Sicilian faction
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Other times Capeci discussed the relationship between Montreal and the Bonannos:

From the same September 2010 article I quoted previously regarding Tony Mucci:
Sources tell Gang Land that Mucci is a key player in Rizzuto's crew these days, but that neither Rizzuto nor his loyal Montreal followers have much use, or pay any mind, to the Bonanno family leaders in New York.

Gang Land's sources are split on one very important issue: Whether the Canadian gangsters have stopped sending any tribute payments to New York. If that is the case, then the break between the Montreal crew, which has been part of the crime family since Joe Bonanno's day, would be complete.


In November 2010, regarding the killing of Nicolo Rizzuto, Capeci wrote:
Until his death, the Sicilian-born Rizzuto was the titular head of a Montreal mafia crew that is headed by his son, Vito, a Bonanno mobster who is currently serving a ten year sentence for his role in the 1981 murders of three capos in Brooklyn.


In that same article he describes Agostino Cuntrera in the following way:
Authorities viewed [him] as an acting “street boss” for Rizzuto.


In a September 2012 article shortly before Vito's release from prison, Capeci wrote the following:
Law enforcement sources in New York tell Gang Land that underlings of Mikey Nose Mancuso, who is serving a 15-year-plea deal for the same murder for which his predecessor acting boss Vincent (Vinny Gorgeous) Basciano is doing life, are also paying close attention to developments north of the border.


There was an article Capeci wrote three weeks before Vito died about the murder spree since his release from prison. In that piece, he included some information from an interview he conducted with Pierre De Champlain. The following paragraph jumped out at me:
"Today, in the last days of 2013, it's fair to say that Vito is still in a revenge mode," said De Champlain, who attributes Rizzuto's reemergence to a group of ruthless younger "cousins and other relatives of older members of his decina, younger people in their 40s and 50s, the sons and cousins."


Throughout the 2000s Capeci repeatedly refers to Vito as a capo, though this would conflict with what he also writes about Nicolo being the titular head of the crew. Also with Vito's identification as a soldier in his indictment and Vitale's description of Vito as an unofficial acting capo. Could be that Capeci just referred to him as a capo to convey his de facto position, similar to calling him the Canadian Godfather or the boss of Montreal.

Unrelated, but Peter Edwards told Capeci that he had learned that Vito was a Gang Land reader
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Good conversation guys ! To keep the membership discussion from getting lost in the thread later, I opened a thread to talk about it if it's ok for you ... viewtopic.php?f=29&t=7769
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chin_gigante wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:24 pm There was an article Capeci wrote three weeks before Vito died about the murder spree since his release from prison. In that piece, he included some information from an interview he conducted with Pierre De Champlain. The following paragraph jumped out at me:
"Today, in the last days of 2013, it's fair to say that Vito is still in a revenge mode," said De Champlain, who attributes Rizzuto's reemergence to a group of ruthless younger "cousins and other relatives of older members of his decina, younger people in their 40s and 50s, the sons and cousins."
De Champlain is one of the best, most objective Montreal experts. I don't agree with 100% of his interpretations, especially when it comes to the more formal aspects, but anything he says ranks high on this subject. Decina is a very specific word to use, not really open for interpretation like "crew" or "boss". I wonder if he used that deliberately.

I think decina is the right word to use until new info comes out that definitively states otherwise. Seems Capeci was reluctant to assume too much about Montreal's relationship to the Bonanno family, which is the right approach.
chin_gigante wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:24 pm The following notes are from a January 2010 article:
- The murder of Nick Rizzuto Jr is a "hot topic" among wiseguys in NY
- LE and underworld sources speculate the murder of Nick could lead to bloodshed in NY
- Nicholas Santora and Anthony Rabito sent emissaries to talk with the Sicilian faction in the 10 days after the murder of Nick Jr
They must have believed NYC members were involved somehow with Rizzuto's murder at the time if they expected bloodshed in NYC. Was there specific intel that led them to believe this or was it speculation?

The bit about Santora and Rabito sending emissaries to the Sicilians tells us something was going on, if this story is true. We have reason to believe the "new" Bonanno Sicilian faction was built up by Montagna, so he would have been a factor in any discussions the Sicilian faction was having about Canada.
- The Sicilian faction "includes about 25 Sicilian-born Bonanno mobsters, their relatives, and crew members - some of whom are American born"
- Vito Grimaldi is an adviser in the Sicilian faction and is a key player in the talks
- Grimaldi is Joseph Cammarano Jr's father-in-law
- Vincent Badalamenti also has the backing of the Sicilian faction
Capeci was the first to mention the Sicilian faction. At the time we didn't have much info to back it up, but since then we've learned more: viewtopic.php?p=188689#p188689

I wonder if he meant 25 made members in this faction or included associates. The language "mobsters, their relatives, and crew members" doesn't tell us much.

Badalamenti was Mancuso's top guy so the Sicilians were close to both the rival factions at this time.
- The murder of Nick brought to a head a lengthy push for the Sicilian faction and Montreal for more clout in the Bonanno family (and more cash)
Might be the most mysterious part. Why would the murder of the younger Nick Rizzuto give NYC Sicilian Bonanno members clout in the Bonannos? This also suggests the NYC Sicilians and a faction of Montreal were in alliance.

There were Montreal Bonanno members and associates who sided with Montagna against the Rizzutos, so that much does match up, the main mystery is how NY-based Sicilians were involved in the war beyond moral support.
- "[Nicolo] sent back word that The Ironworker was a lightweight flunky and wasn't his boss"
Would be good to know the original source of this info -- seems it's being reported at least third hand, if not more, so I would question the exact words Rizzuto told him. If this info passed through a bunch of people before getting to Capeci, Rizzuto saying "I'm not stepping down" could turn into B-movie disses like "lightweight flunky".

Montagna was leaning on his position in the Bonanno family, so he would have made a specific request. Did Montagna tell Rizzuto to step down as a captain so that he could take his place? Did Montagna still carry a position in the Bonanno administration and/or have the support of the Bonanno admin in Montreal? Montagna's formal rank in the Bonanno family after his deportation hasn't been discussed much aside from Vinnie Asaro calling him "one of the bosses from NYC" when he brings up the Montagna murder on the Valenti tapes.
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Laurentian wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:25 pm Le chef de gang Arsène Mompoint de retour dans la rue

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... la-rue.php
Arsène Mompoint was shot and killed earlier today. Not surprised he didn't last long after being released from prison back in April.

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... satake.php
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From the article to which I’ve linked below: “The Montreal Gazette reported last year that a strip of land in the middle of the future park is owned by a group of people and companies linked to the Montreal Mafia.”

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local- ... -de-louest
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That area is a Wild West no police force I was at the exact weed shop where he got killed a few days ago. It’s all run by oc
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OcSleeper wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:12 pm
Laurentian wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:25 pm Le chef de gang Arsène Mompoint de retour dans la rue

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... la-rue.php
Arsène Mompoint was shot and killed earlier today. Not surprised he didn't last long after being released from prison back in April.

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... satake.php
Suspicious vehicle may have been found set on fire.
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... cendie.php


Anyone know of what meeting they're referring to in the article?
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^^^^
Suspect sought after slaying of man allegedly linked to organized crime

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local- ... ized-crime
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Assassinat d’Arsène Mompoint: un meurtre signé crime organisé

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/ ... mompoint-1

« Il est temps de faire le ménage à Kanesatake »

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Is it just me or does it seem odd Renaud keeps mentioning the bikers because the car was burned? It's not necessarily a hallmark of a biker hit, it's quite common for any hit to burn the vehicle after. Is it just something he's throwing in the article or is he possibly implying the bikers were behind the murder of Mompoint?
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