Current state of New Jersey mob

[BobbyPazzo]

Probably tough on the DeCavalcante money wise they have to share there territory with The New York families and Philadelphia

Not really any reason for them to exist nowadays, right?

I mean, the DeCavs are probably smaller as a family today than the Genovese and Lucchese jersey crews. Or am I wrong?

Growing up in north jersey , I’ve never met a Decav or anyone affiliated with them aside from Mimmo like Dante said. Everyone and anyone I know is west side guys or Luke’s ... but I know people who have ties to philly too.

[NJShore4Life]

The DeCav guys here in Jersey will always be affiliated in some way shape or form with at least one of the following two things (Most guys will be affiliated in some way shape or form with both) 1.) Peterstown section of Elizabaeth 2.) Ribera , Sicily

[joerock]

Their administration who ever is on it is probably hanging on by a thread

[Garbageman]

And if "wiseguy" happens to read this (how ya doing buddy!?)..

What is it they say? I'd complain but who'd listen?

The most common line of division (that I was always told) was the Driscoll Bridge. Everything above was the Northern NJ crew's...Union, Hudson, Essex, Bergen County and everything below belonged to the Atlantic City/Philly guys.
We didnt dare take stops below the Driscoll Bridge before the early 90s unless a prior agreement was made or a trade-off deal. After the mid 90s when everyone got bought out by Waste Management and BFI, that line was breached and it became a literal free-for-all after that. Today there are no territories that are abided by other than the ones politicians and the government have in place utilizing unconstitutional flow control laws, which they found ways around....as they always do.

Funny story...someone a few pages back was making fun of a kid they said looked like a farmer (he looked more like a rapper to me)...anyway...One of the most wealthy, well connected, well respected and protected guys I ever met in the garbage business came to a meeting once wearing bib overalls and a pair of muddy Hush Puppies on his feet. I didn't look much different. We hit it off right away just because of how we dressed. Never did culminate in a business relationship but it sure was an awesome experience getting to have dinner with him and bullshit for 3 or 4 hours about the good old days. He died a few years back.

I remember when Mazzochi Wrecking had that article written about them for utilizing those guys on a casino demolition job. I won't name names because they're still alive but the daughter flipped out and made a statement to the press in their defense and rightfully so. The way things were setup, even back in 02, was when you won a bid out of your area, you had to use whatever local union guys were down there in some capacity. This was an Atlantic County job and Mazzochi was based out of Morris County, they had no choice but to utilize the Atlantic County Local. It was the unions fault those guys slipped through the cracks, not Mazzochis. I remember how pissed she was. At the time, I was calling their office frequently because we had worked together on a few jobs in NY and NJ...their checks were like gold, btw....on time and never a "Spalding". Great family company. First place I ever worked for, driving a dump trailer too, back when you didnt need a CDL license. The old man had a hole in the ground in Northeastern Pennsylvania on a large parcel of land he owned and back then you were legally allowed to dump demolition material into a hole in the ground in PA. It was also allowed to periodically set the hole on fire and let the material burn down to make room for more material. It was like a private little incinerator.
Do that now and you'll wind up doing life in prison....unless you're a politicians pal, then you'll just have to pay to have it cleaned up. Or your politician friend will stall the case for a decade then have the state take it over and declare it a Superfund Site...like what they did down in Burlington County recently and so many other locations. I still keep an eyeball on NY and NJ, even though I'm long gone from the business and soon to be moving far away (for anyone here glowing like a ghost ).
This was a fun read. Hope you're all doing well during this insane time.

In reference to the Driscoll Bridge dividing territory, are talking waste hauling? The Philly guys were never much into garbage were they?

Yes, that was pretty much the standard line in the sand for the garbage guys. Philly and NJ had significant ties through a few old timers in NJ and Philly. Pretty much all are gone now. Packed up and moved on

[Garbageman]

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Interesting that Gregory Goffredo got out of the trash business. Similar to what Garbageman has been alluding to, i.e waste management has been increasingly less profitable as a small business and less lucrative for LCN generally speaking.

That's pretty much it, theres no money in it unless you lowball and/or cheat...so why bother? The days of getting steady work are over. Most of the big nationwide companies have all the chain store contracts and mini-malls are all managed by the same type national accounts brokers so it's useless to even attempt a small operation nowadays unless you've got massive construction connections and even then, nothing is guaranteed. The only way yo profit real money is to own trucks and either a landfill or a transfer station. Good luck on opening either one of those in this area. The permit process alone would break the average person's life savings.
We've essentially been over regulated right out of business by the tri-state area's penchant for sustaining their government jobs under the guise of "rooting out" organized crime that just doesn't exist enough to justify government entities like the Business Integrity Commission in NYC, or BIC, the NJ A901 division and their FBI background checking processes which can take up to 1 year.
Sanitation services isnt rocket science. It's pretty much taking shit from one hole to another and the goal is to salvage as much recyclable materials as you can from what you haul. Like I said, you need a transfer station or a landfill operation to do that, and the costs are so prohibitive that only millionaires can afford to do it legally according to the regulations and guidelines. To me, you pickup a 30 yard dumpster, dump it in your yard, pick out the wood, metal, paper, cardboard, high grade plastics and whatever else you can sell and bury the rest or burn it. God forbid! With the food waste, you tell the customer to separate it and you bring that back to your farm and feed your animals with it. If its straight fruit and vegetables you can literally dump it straight into a feed bin. If theres meat and fish mixed it, you cook it in a giant cooker that you build yourself using creativity and ingenuity. That will never happen up here though. Anyway....end rant

[Pogo The Clown]

They never recovered from the 1999-2001 indictments. Those two indictments really were some of the biggest to ever hit a single family as it literally took most of their active members off the street (including the entire administration, 5 of 6 Capos, and most of their most active soldiers). To show how decimated they were look how fast guys were promoted immediately afterwards.


Frank Paparatto was an Associate in October 2000 and in 2001 rose to Street Boss. Frank D'Amato was an Associate in October 2000, was soon made and promoted to Capo and by April 2001 had risen to Acting Consigliere. Joseph Miranda was a Soldier in his 80s who they wouldn't promote to Capo but after the indictments he was promoted direct to UnderBoss and soon after to Acting Boss.


This was followed by them losing LIUNA Local 394 in 2006 which was their main source of influence and likely their main source of income. Since then attrion and the occasional indictment have kept them in check.


Pogo

[scagghiuni]

They never recovered from the 1999-2001 indictments. Those two indictments really were some of the biggest to ever hit a single family as it literally took most of their active members off the street (including the entire administration, 5 of 6 Capos, and most of their most active soldiers). To show how decimated they were look how fast guys were promoted immediately afterwards.

hasn't anyone been released since then?

[Pogo The Clown]

Most of them but the damage was done.


Pogo

[Tonyd621]

Patsys Parello nephew I think-Tranquillo has a carting (A&D) business still and I would assume hes pretty well connected and that Sirkin guy who is or was accused of being affliated with Merlino, jersey recycling services that owned multiple acres in Palmrya I think. And thats just what we heard about. So its all gone. I mean this recent.

[Wiseguy]

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Interesting that Gregory Goffredo got out of the trash business. Similar to what Garbageman has been alluding to, i.e waste management has been increasingly less profitable as a small business and less lucrative for LCN generally speaking.

That's pretty much it, theres no money in it unless you lowball and/or cheat...so why bother? The days of getting steady work are over. Most of the big nationwide companies have all the chain store contracts and mini-malls are all managed by the same type national accounts brokers so it's useless to even attempt a small operation nowadays unless you've got massive construction connections and even then, nothing is guaranteed. The only way yo profit real money is to own trucks and either a landfill or a transfer station. Good luck on opening either one of those in this area. The permit process alone would break the average person's life savings.
We've essentially been over regulated right out of business by the tri-state area's penchant for sustaining their government jobs under the guise of "rooting out" organized crime that just doesn't exist enough to justify government entities like the Business Integrity Commission in NYC, or BIC, the NJ A901 division and their FBI background checking processes which can take up to 1 year.
Sanitation services isnt rocket science. It's pretty much taking shit from one hole to another and the goal is to salvage as much recyclable materials as you can from what you haul. Like I said, you need a transfer station or a landfill operation to do that, and the costs are so prohibitive that only millionaires can afford to do it legally according to the regulations and guidelines. To me, you pickup a 30 yard dumpster, dump it in your yard, pick out the wood, metal, paper, cardboard, high grade plastics and whatever else you can sell and bury the rest or burn it. God forbid! With the food waste, you tell the customer to separate it and you bring that back to your farm and feed your animals with it. If its straight fruit and vegetables you can literally dump it straight into a feed bin. If theres meat and fish mixed it, you cook it in a giant cooker that you build yourself using creativity and ingenuity. That will never happen up here though. Anyway....end rant

You'd be the one to comment on this from a certain perspective, and correct me if you don't think this is the case, but it seems most of the mob presence today involves hauling debris from demolition, construction, excavation, etc.

[chubby]

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Interesting that Gregory Goffredo got out of the trash business. Similar to what Garbageman has been alluding to, i.e waste management has been increasingly less profitable as a small business and less lucrative for LCN generally speaking.

That's pretty much it, theres no money in it unless you lowball and/or cheat...so why bother? The days of getting steady work are over. Most of the big nationwide companies have all the chain store contracts and mini-malls are all managed by the same type national accounts brokers so it's useless to even attempt a small operation nowadays unless you've got massive construction connections and even then, nothing is guaranteed. The only way yo profit real money is to own trucks and either a landfill or a transfer station. Good luck on opening either one of those in this area. The permit process alone would break the average person's life savings.
We've essentially been over regulated right out of business by the tri-state area's penchant for sustaining their government jobs under the guise of "rooting out" organized crime that just doesn't exist enough to justify government entities like the Business Integrity Commission in NYC, or BIC, the NJ A901 division and their FBI background checking processes which can take up to 1 year.
Sanitation services isnt rocket science. It's pretty much taking shit from one hole to another and the goal is to salvage as much recyclable materials as you can from what you haul. Like I said, you need a transfer station or a landfill operation to do that, and the costs are so prohibitive that only millionaires can afford to do it legally according to the regulations and guidelines. To me, you pickup a 30 yard dumpster, dump it in your yard, pick out the wood, metal, paper, cardboard, high grade plastics and whatever else you can sell and bury the rest or burn it. God forbid! With the food waste, you tell the customer to separate it and you bring that back to your farm and feed your animals with it. If its straight fruit and vegetables you can literally dump it straight into a feed bin. If theres meat and fish mixed it, you cook it in a giant cooker that you build yourself using creativity and ingenuity. That will never happen up here though. Anyway....end rant

My grandmas father got into the trash business In Minneapolis literally in like 1920 or some crazy shit like that... he was very business minded and got all the permits for the businesses in downtown... then when his son got of age he ended up taking over the buddiness and talked him into buying modern trucks and doubling their amount of trucks... they did and their business expanded crazy, I think around 1940 My grandmas brother , he then acquired a landfill/ full recycling center... and he realized how much near perfect shit would show up that was sought after that he started setting it aside and after not too long acquired so much shit that he opened a furniture store just from all the stuff he got for free from the dump/land fill.... hes now happily retired a multimillionaire... still lives in Minneapolis and has a great vacation home on one of the lakes there... but when his children got of age, he sold the company for a pretty penny and let the sons split the money, cause he said times have changed and there was no place/profit left for the little guy when it came to garbage....

[joerock]

Estimating how many active members and associates do you think the DeCavalcantes have Wikipedia says 40-60 members with over 100 associates can never trust that

[Pogo The Clown]

Estimating how many active members and associates do you think the DeCavalcantes have Wikipedia says 40-60 members with over 100 associates can never trust that

In 2004 they were estimated at 40-50 members and 50 Associates.


Pogo

[joerock]

That probably went down a bit in 2020 what's your prediction for present day mr pogo

[Pogo The Clown]

By my count the membership count is pretty much the same. Though I'd imagine a smaller portion are currently active.


Pogo