Joseph cammarano jnr

[Lupara]

ANYWAYS: The gist I'm getting is that Mancuso is boss, JCR is acting, there's a string of new captains? Being that Mancuso's family goes back and seems to have some connection to the Sicilians via the zip faction, Montagna, etc. It seems the traditionals are now leading the Gambinos and Bonannos. They've remained the two groups with the strongest Sicilianismo. Gotti and Massino represented factions, the Sicilian element was dormant and now appear back in charge... Am I wrong on any of this?

I agree with this 100%. It also seems that because of this the Gambinos and Bonannos have grown closer to each other. Their petty rivalry of the 1960s is long gone.

[Pogo The Clown]

Would be interesting to find out who the new 12 members that were made in recent months.

Vito Pipitone (brother of Capo Anthony Pipitone) is one of them. Frank “Frankie Boy” Salerno (Mancuso's nephew) is most likely another one.


Pogo

[B.]

I believe that Frank Salerno is related to the murdered Lucchese captain Michael Salerno. Maybe someone else can confirm, as I'm not 100% on it.

Does anyone know where the Cammaranos originally come from in Italy/Sicily? By the way, I believe the photo I shared a few years ago of Joe Cammarano Jr. with the cigar was in tribute to his father who was known for going around with a large cigar.

[B.]

Posted this on the old board but just for reference. Joe Cammarano Sr.

[B.]

Curious if Mule has a Castellammarese background and/or if he's related to the Mules that go back to the early days of the family.

Well there's a certain Gaspare Mulè who is a member of Castellammare del.Golfo family and he's close with Mariano Asaro. I'd be very surprised if they are not from the same bloodline.

Also, I asked in another thread if Joseph Sabella is the son of Michael "Mimi" and I'd be surprised if he wasn't.

Just noticed this post.

After seeing JD mentioning that Natale Mule of Ridgewood was originally with the Navarras and Fiordilinos in Middle Village/Ridgewood, who are both Castellammarese families, I'd say there is a good chance he is as well given his last name.

The Pipitones might come from Castellammarese stock. There are Pipitones in Queens with direct ties to CDG.

As for Joseph Sabella, maybe there's a relation, but I doubt he's Mike Sabella's son. Complete side note, but I'm also not sure if "Mimi" was actually Mike Sabella's nickname. There were two Domenico Sabellas who were members of the family (one of them Philly boss Toto Sabella's brother, the other a nephew) and both of them used the Italian diminutive "Mimi". Mike Sabella wasn't related to them, though, and I'm thinking it was confusion/typo that led to him being listed as "Mimi" on charts.

There was an associate of the Bonanno family named Arthur Sabella who was active with the Cardello crew I believe, wonder if he's related to any of the other Sabellas. Not sure what became of him.

[Pogo The Clown]

Complete side note, but I'm also not sure if "Mimi" was actually Mike Sabella's nickname. There were two Domenico Sabellas who were members of the family (one of them Philly boss Toto Sabella's brother, the other a nephew) and both of them used the Italian diminutive "Mimi". Mike Sabella wasn't related to them, though, and I'm thinking it was confusion/typo that led to him being listed as "Mimi" on charts.

In the DeCavalcante tapes he is referred to as Mimi.


Pogo

[B.]

Complete side note, but I'm also not sure if "Mimi" was actually Mike Sabella's nickname. There were two Domenico Sabellas who were members of the family (one of them Philly boss Toto Sabella's brother, the other a nephew) and both of them used the Italian diminutive "Mimi". Mike Sabella wasn't related to them, though, and I'm thinking it was confusion/typo that led to him being listed as "Mimi" on charts.

In the DeCavalcante tapes he is referred to as Mimi.


Pogo

Thanks for pointing that out. Strange, considering Mimi is a nickname for Domenico and he doesn't seem to be related to either of the Domenico Sabellas in the family.

[toto]

Curious if Mule has a Castellammarese background and/or if he's related to the Mules that go back to the early days of the family.

Well there's a certain Gaspare Mulè who is a member of Castellammare del.Golfo family and he's close with Mariano Asaro. I'd be very surprised if they are not from the same bloodline.

Also, I asked in another thread if Joseph Sabella is the son of Michael "Mimi" and I'd be surprised if he wasn't.

Just noticed this post.

After seeing JD mentioning that Natale Mule of Ridgewood was originally with the Navarras and Fiordilinos in Middle Village/Ridgewood, who are both Castellammarese families, I'd say there is a good chance he is as well given his last name.

The Pipitones might come from Castellammarese stock. There are Pipitones in Queens with direct ties to CDG.

As for Joseph Sabella, maybe there's a relation, but I doubt he's Mike Sabella's son. Complete side note, but I'm also not sure if "Mimi" was actually Mike Sabella's nickname. There were two Domenico Sabellas who were members of the family (one of them Philly boss Toto Sabella's brother, the other a nephew) and both of them used the Italian diminutive "Mimi". Mike Sabella wasn't related to them, though, and I'm thinking it was confusion/typo that led to him being listed as "Mimi" on charts.

There was an associate of the Bonanno family named Arthur Sabella who was active with the Cardello crew I believe, wonder if he's related to any of the other Sabellas. Not sure what became of him.

About the Pipitone's my first thinking was the bosses of Carini mafia family are Pipitones and this is the family which is in-charge of organizing the financing of drug trafficking for Palermo families and its closely connected to 'Ndrangehta guys like Vincenzo Roccisano. The people in-charge of the financing is Giuseppe Vallelonga and Giuseppe Spatola and also members of this family are Giuseppe Gallina "Gio" and Calogero Gallina "Charlie" and they are considered "scappati" because they also escaped to New York from the corleonesi. Calogero Gallina in fact was born in New York at that time and this group is connected to the group of John Gambino or we can say is part of that group.

It made me think more about the idea mentioned in this thread of the Bonanno and Gambino becoming closer.

[TommyGambino]

Would be interesting to find out who the new 12 members that were made in recent months.

Vito Pipitone (brother of Capo Anthony Pipitone) is one of them. Frank “Frankie Boy” Salerno (Mancuso's nephew) is most likely another one.


Pogo

In the detention memo it said Vito Pipitone had been made since his release in 2013 so not positive it was as recent as they stated, but more then likely.

[Pogo The Clown]

According to the BOP he was released on December 30, 2013 so his induction would almost certainly have occurred during 2014-15 when these 12 new members were inducted.


Pogo

[B.]

Curious if Mule has a Castellammarese background and/or if he's related to the Mules that go back to the early days of the family.

Well there's a certain Gaspare Mulè who is a member of Castellammare del.Golfo family and he's close with Mariano Asaro. I'd be very surprised if they are not from the same bloodline.

Also, I asked in another thread if Joseph Sabella is the son of Michael "Mimi" and I'd be surprised if he wasn't.

Just noticed this post.

After seeing JD mentioning that Natale Mule of Ridgewood was originally with the Navarras and Fiordilinos in Middle Village/Ridgewood, who are both Castellammarese families, I'd say there is a good chance he is as well given his last name.

The Pipitones might come from Castellammarese stock. There are Pipitones in Queens with direct ties to CDG.

As for Joseph Sabella, maybe there's a relation, but I doubt he's Mike Sabella's son. Complete side note, but I'm also not sure if "Mimi" was actually Mike Sabella's nickname. There were two Domenico Sabellas who were members of the family (one of them Philly boss Toto Sabella's brother, the other a nephew) and both of them used the Italian diminutive "Mimi". Mike Sabella wasn't related to them, though, and I'm thinking it was confusion/typo that led to him being listed as "Mimi" on charts.

There was an associate of the Bonanno family named Arthur Sabella who was active with the Cardello crew I believe, wonder if he's related to any of the other Sabellas. Not sure what became of him.

About the Pipitone's my first thinking was the bosses of Carini mafia family are Pipitones and this is the family which is in-charge of organizing the financing of drug trafficking for Palermo families and its closely connected to 'Ndrangehta guys like Vincenzo Roccisano. The people in-charge of the financing is Giuseppe Vallelonga and Giuseppe Spatola and also members of this family are Giuseppe Gallina "Gio" and Calogero Gallina "Charlie" and they are considered "scappati" because they also escaped to New York from the corleonesi. Calogero Gallina in fact was born in New York at that time and this group is connected to the group of John Gambino or we can say is part of that group.

It made me think more about the idea mentioned in this thread of the Bonanno and Gambino becoming closer.

I hesitate to think the Bonannos connections to Sicily are as developed as the Gambino family's, but you never know. There are definitely some connections, it's just not clear whether they're anything more than relatives and friends touching base with one another. But then again, when rumors first started to circulate a decade ago that the Sicilians were getting a push in the Gambinos and strengthening their ties overseas, there were a lot of naysayers on the Real Deal (some of whom were "street-friendly" types), and we know now that this very much a reality.

For the Bonannos, we'll just have to wait and see. I'm also waiting to see if there is any truth to the Bonannos/Gambinos becoming closer for these reasons. Historically they both had heavy Sicilian connections that sometimes overlapped, but in a lot of ways their connections were distinct and independent.

[Lupara]

For the Bonannos, we'll just have to wait and see. I'm also waiting to see if there is any truth to the Bonannos/Gambinos becoming closer for these reasons. Historically they both had heavy Sicilian connections that sometimes overlapped, but in a lot of ways their connections were distinct and independent.

I base this idea on a number of things. First, on the evidence that shows that the oldschool Sicillians are now calling the shots in both families. Second, on the fact that Massino used a Gambino member to relay messages to Vito Rizzuto. And third, on the statements made by felice that the Gambinos are involved in Montreal. Someone else also suggested that the Gambinos may have acted as mediators in the conflict. Note that Vito Rizzuto reportedly met with New York representatives in Toronto shortly his arrival. Anyway, no hard evidence, but simple indications.

[B.]

For the Bonannos, we'll just have to wait and see. I'm also waiting to see if there is any truth to the Bonannos/Gambinos becoming closer for these reasons. Historically they both had heavy Sicilian connections that sometimes overlapped, but in a lot of ways their connections were distinct and independent.

I base this idea on a number of things. First, on the evidence that shows that the oldschool Sicillians are now calling the shots in both families. Second, on the fact that Massino used a Gambino member to relay messages to Vito Rizzuto. And third, on the statements made by felice that the Gambinos are involved in Montreal. Someone else also suggested that the Gambinos may have acted as mediators in the conflict. Note that Vito Rizzuto was reported to have met with New York representatives in Toronto shortly his arrival. Anyway, no hard evidence, but simple indications.

Oh yeah, all of that does point to something interesting going on with the Gambinos and Bonannos for sure. What I think is more murky, though, is the Sicilian connection. A lot of guys in the Bonannos have Sicilian heritage but I haven't seen much except Montagna's run from 2006-2009 that points to any "zips" running the organization. Who are the old school Sicilians in the Bonannos? Grimaldi was said to be friendly with the zips and his heritage is Sicilian, but he was born in the US. Same for Asaro who was in a leadership position not too long ago. Can't think of any true Sicilians off the top of my head, though... maybe someone else can shed light.

[Lupara]

For the Bonannos, we'll just have to wait and see. I'm also waiting to see if there is any truth to the Bonannos/Gambinos becoming closer for these reasons. Historically they both had heavy Sicilian connections that sometimes overlapped, but in a lot of ways their connections were distinct and independent.

I base this idea on a number of things. First, on the evidence that shows that the oldschool Sicillians are now calling the shots in both families. Second, on the fact that Massino used a Gambino member to relay messages to Vito Rizzuto. And third, on the statements made by felice that the Gambinos are involved in Montreal. Someone else also suggested that the Gambinos may have acted as mediators in the conflict. Note that Vito Rizzuto was reported to have met with New York representatives in Toronto shortly his arrival. Anyway, no hard evidence, but simple indications.

Oh yeah, all of that does point to something interesting going on with the Gambinos and Bonannos for sure. What I think is more murky, though, is the Sicilian connection. A lot of guys in the Bonannos have Sicilian heritage but I haven't seen much except Montagna's run from 2006-2009 that points to any "zips" running the organization. Who are the old school Sicilians in the Bonannos? Grimaldi was said to be friendly with the zips and his heritage is Sicilian, but he was born in the US. Same for Asaro who was in a leadership position not too long ago. Can't think of any true Sicilians off the top of my head, though... maybe someone else can shed light.

That's true, but with Sicillians I wasn't necessarily refering to the ones born in Sicily, but more to the traditional minded in the families such as Grimaldi and Cali.

[johnny_scootch]

In the detention memo it said Vito Pipitone had been made since his release in 2013 so not positive it was as recent as they stated, but more then likely.

Would someone be kind enough to post a link to said detention memo. Thank you.