In Hoffa's Shadow author takes apart "Irishman" myth

[Grouchy Sinatra]

Again, case in point. lol.

[Bklyn21]

https://youtu.be/nnM3ruIubWo

[Lupara]

I respect your opinion Rocco. I just finished the book "in Hoffa's Shadow". After reading the book, I believe that Chuckie O'Brian had nothing to do with Hoffa getting picked up. Vito Giacalone probably picked up Hoffa. After reading that book I believe that Hoffa would get in a car with Tony Or Vito Jack on that particular day. I also believe that Dan Moldea is one lousy researcher and an unreliable author who cares only for Dan Moldea.

Doesn't mean the Genovese didn't do the hit, but I'd bet that it was Detroit internally who got the order or made the decision to get rid of Hoffa and they handled it themselves. A bunch of Genovese hit men running around Detroit would have raised some major red flags, no?

Agreed. The order may have come from Tony Pro and the Genoveses but carried out by Detroit.

[Lupara]

Still not quite sure what I thought of it. Need to give it a second viewing. Like Two Piece, liked that they used the actual old 'Palma Boys' building (external, not sure of internal?) for the Tony Salerno scenes.

I know it's already been said, but the 'Deniro giving the grocer a beating' scene was painful to watch.

Agreed. Mixed feelings. This may very well be that movie that gets better with time.

[Frank]

The Dynamics of the order to hit Hoffa probably is as confusing as who was in charge of the hit, who planned the hit, who pulled the trigger, cleanup etc. It would be real hard to distinguish as to how it transpired. Obviously it seems a no brainier that more than one family did not want him back as Teamsters President. I have stated my opinion before that I believe it was probably approved by the Commission, seeing that Hoffa worked with most of the Families. But did the actual order originate at a non Commission level, as some theories have Bufalino ordering it. I suppose we will never know. I just don't see Bufalino ordering the hit without approval of the Commission..

[JCB1977]

Still not quite sure what I thought of it. Need to give it a second viewing. Like Two Piece, liked that they used the actual old 'Palma Boys' building (external, not sure of internal?) for the Tony Salerno scenes.

I know it's already been said, but the 'Deniro giving the grocer a beating' scene was painful to watch.

Agreed. Mixed feelings. This may very well be that movie that gets better with time.

That’s a guaranteed certainty!

[JCB1977]

The Dynamics of the order to hit Hoffa probably is as confusing as who was in charge of the hit, who planned the hit, who pulled the trigger, cleanup etc. It would be real hard to distinguish as to how it transpired. Obviously it seems a no brainier that more than one family did not want him back as Teamsters President. I have stated my opinion before that I believe it was probably approved by the Commission, seeing that Hoffa worked with most of the Families. But did the actual order originate at a non Commission level, as some theories have Bufalino ordering it. I suppose we will never know. I just don't see Bufalino ordering the hit without approval of the Commission..

From every document I’ve ever read on RB, he had the ear of NY’s top bosses and others around the country. An elder statesmen. I’d hypothesize that mob leaders around the country wanted him removed, he became a wild card