Joseph cammarano jnr

[Lupara]

I imagine these guys know they're probably being watched but they don't want to go to the trouble of having only a few key people meet in the middle of nowhere at 3 am.

Which is exactly what they should be doing. 3 AM is a normal time for them anyway. It's either this or regular indictments and unstable leadership. How does the Westside do this?

[Wiseguy]

Whatever you want to say about the Bonnanos but after having so many people including the boss flip and numerous people after getting long stretches they look to be open and ready for business. They seem to have some young fresh blood and have some people at the top calling the shots. This is after every single bust showed that they were on their last legs. Post 2005 was the same as post '81 with them, people filled in, people were still murdered as we saw in '08, '09, not something a family on its last legs will do. Being as insular as theyve always been im sure well start hearing about some guys born post 1980 soon.

That's what makes the talk about the family nearly being finished, whether it be in the press or on the forums, so ridiculous. Even the weakest NY family still has a large recruiting pool and isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

[Doobeez]

I imagine these guys know they're probably being watched but they don't want to go to the trouble of having only a few key people meet in the middle of nowhere at 3 am.

Which is exactly what they should be doing. 3 AM is a normal time for them anyway. It's either this or regular indictments and unstable leadership. How does the Westside do this?

Recall this being a tactic Vinny Basciano used as well.

Genovese..remember a Bruno post mentioning seeing Barney and another guy on a walk/talk in the middle of a highway.

[willychichi]

Great insights you guys!! I'm fascinated by how these families operate but know next to nothing about this life so your input is greatly appreciated.

[TommyGambino]

Would be interesting to find out who the new 12 members that were made in recent months.

[B.]

It's totally different then lenehan but kinda the same

Not a bad comparison at all, but it might actually be a little unfair towards Lenehan. He was a shameless liar, but he did have some low level connections to start out with at least. Still not quite the same as a self-admitted legitimate guy who claims to know 'for a fact' when certain guys were made, or who the current powers are in the Families, etc.

Not sure if this has been put up in gangland already, but here's a photo of captain Ronald Giallanzo from years ago, back when he was under the Asaros:

The greater problem in my opinion has more to do with their fans than anything. It's one thing for somebody to give alleged insider information that may or may not be possible to confirm elsewhere, but what really destroys a forum's credibility is when there's a legion of followers putting someone on a pedestal.

And the big thing about the "fans" isn't that they just put certain people/info on a pedestal, it's that they then start to act like insiders themselves. Look at one newer poster's comment near the start of this thread... he posts that he's been saying the power has been in Long Island and Queens, as if that's his own information. I am not trying to attack anyone personally here, but I cringe when I see this shit and a few people are regularly guilty of this type of thing.

I am open to speculation and do it constantly. To me there is a difference between those of us who speculate and those who are posturing and it's clear as fucking day to many of us. This isn't people being bullied or singled out, there is 100% a tone to certain posts from certain people.

As for Little Joe Shots, he was not "in the life" but I believe he was involved in some criminal activities that got him in trouble. How's that for insider info?

Anyway, back on track... some excellent info is coming out that clears up a lot about the current situation in the Bonannos. I was offline for a week and it's exciting to come back to this. They have always been the most interesting family in NYC to me through the decades.

[TommyGambino]

Was Cammarano's dad a power in the family?

[B.]

What poster are you talking about who's been saying the power is in Long Island Queens as if it's his own knowledge, B.?

It's not you, and I don't want to derail this thread further by naming names. Just scan the first page.

Seems the Bonannos are really trying to rally in the last couple years. All of this publicity can't be good so this could be very interesting.

[B.]

Curious if Mule has a Castellammarese background and/or if he's related to the Mules that go back to the early days of the family.

[Chaps]

Was Cammarano's dad a power in the family?

Yes. Joseph (Joe Saunders, Sr.) Cammarano was the Underboss of the Family under Acting Boss Anthony Urso. I've heard him described alternately as the official Underboss or Acting Underboss but I believe he did hold the official spot until indicted along with Urso, Joe DeSimone, and others in January of 2004.

[toto]

Curious if Mule has a Castellammarese background and/or if he's related to the Mules that go back to the early days of the family.

Well there's a certain Gaspare Mulè who is a member of Castellammare del.Golfo family and he's close with Mariano Asaro. I'd be very surprised if they are not from the same bloodline.

Also, I asked in another thread if Joseph Sabella is the son of Michael "Mimi" and I'd be surprised if he wasn't.

[TommyGambino]

What poster are you talking about who's been saying the power is in Long Island Queens as if it's his own knowledge, B.?

It's not you, and I don't want to derail this thread further by naming names. Just scan the first page.

Seems the Bonannos are really trying to rally in the last couple years. All of this publicity can't be good so this could be very interesting.

Ah I see what you mean, agree with you're initial point. Did come across as if it was his own info tbf.

[Lupara]

What poster are you talking about who's been saying the power is in Long Island Queens as if it's his own knowledge, B.?

It's not you, and I don't want to derail this thread further by naming names. Just scan the first page.

While I agree with you, you're implying so heavily you could as well just give names. It wouldn't make much of a difference.

[Angelo Santino]

What poster are you talking about who's been saying the power is in Long Island Queens as if it's his own knowledge, B.?

It's not you, and I don't want to derail this thread further by naming names. Just scan the first page.

While I agree with you, you're implying so heavily you could as well just give names. It wouldn't make much of a difference.

But he doesn't wasn't to derail the thread. This is just as good as the Sciascia and Montagna one. Everyone's input is welcome but in order to avoid scrutiny, let's all agree not to Lenehan-it by implying personal knowledge. No one here knows a single one of these guys, only what we've read and what has been reported by them. Reading several mob books and watching the Sopranos doesn't make someone a mafia pundit. It's a starting point for a search for more knowledge. Be humble, we're all incorrect or proven wrong sometimes. Othertimes we evolve in our theories and understanding of facts/events.

ANYWAYS: The gist I'm getting is that Mancuso is boss, JCR is acting, there's a string of new captains? Being that Mancuso's family goes back and seems to have some connection to the Sicilians via the zip faction, Montagna, etc. It seems the traditionals are now leading the Gambinos and Bonannos. They've remained the two groups with the strongest Sicilianismo. Gotti and Massino represented factions, the Sicilian element was dormant and now appear back in charge... Am I wrong on any of this?

[brianwellbrock]

It seems and correct me if Im wrong that the new way of running things is with someone heavily influencial at the top with a bunch of captains etc. helping run it? Say for the Gambinos you have possibly Frank Cali as boss but John Gambino holding just as much authority when he comes in? Yeah the Boss and where he came from would make the power be in that respected place like Amuso with Brooklyn but it may seem from the info we got which has really only been on the Gambinos and Bonnanos that the days of an ultimate shot caller the buck stops with me boss is done? Remember they were the hardest hit families in the past 10 years so they have been the most inclined to change. The Colombos could fall into the group but they have always been a mess. It would be interesting when more comprehensive info comes out on them.