John Pennisi: The Tim Tebow of the Mafia

[chin_gigante]

Isn’t Castelle out already

He was out on furlough but I think he's back in. BOP says he's at FCI Danbury with a release date of 10 Sep 2025

[nizarsoccer]

Full document:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... l-12-02-20

Well looks like his appeal was denied so....

[Ravens410]

Ok, thanks guys

[mafiastudent]

Full document:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... l-12-02-20

Well looks like his appeal was denied so....

His appeal being denied has nothing to do with what the judge said about the evidence regarding the assault. The evidence was allowed in court because it would've been highly prejudicial to the informant. Because the appeal is denied doesn't mean that the evidence and proof wasn't present. It just wasn't allowed at trial.

[mafiastudent]

*was not allowed

[Ozgoz]

The rats tell fake history with no rebuttal from the other side. They basically say what they want. What's hilarious is the MBA thinks he's talking to AL Capone and not some two bit who never earned a nickle.

Well his history was subject to rebuttal - in the courtroom where he testified multiple times and no one has been able to disprove him. John, despite being a woman beater, did everyone a public service in getting those guys locked up. JP never said he was some genius racketeer either. Y'all are a bunch of haterzzz

That's because defense in all the cases he testified at wasn't allowed to bring up his past history - whether it was the kid he killed, this assault or the protective order that was placed against him by his wife.

If you think about it, it's n overall issue that should be explored. I believe that all evidence bad or good for either side should be presented to the jury. Only way they can see the full picture and make a decision. Not this pick and choose stuff.

I guess it depends on the case insofar as tainting a jury with information that is not relevant to a particular case.....

But you’re definitely right when it comes to government witnesses throwing people under the bus to lighten their own sentence, then all bets should be off so a jury can see what kind of character they’re dealing with.

I would even go a step further and suggest that no one should be convicted based on the word of an informant because words are not factual evidence.

[Angelo Santino]

Domestic violence is wrong. But cheating on a Mafia member with another isn't the brightest thing to do either and its almost asking for it. Especially considering the ramifications of the life and the rules that go with it. If I borrowed money from a Member, didn't pay and he knocked out four of my teeth and I came on here to bitch about it, I'm sure there'd be a few people who'd respond that I shouldn't borrow money from gangsters. In fact, both she and I would be lucky considering the consequences that would have been inflicted in decades past.

Again, not condoning domestic violence or vigilantism but if you're going to swim with sharks...

[mafiastudent]

The rats tell fake history with no rebuttal from the other side. They basically say what they want. What's hilarious is the MBA thinks he's talking to AL Capone and not some two bit who never earned a nickle.

Well his history was subject to rebuttal - in the courtroom where he testified multiple times and no one has been able to disprove him. John, despite being a woman beater, did everyone a public service in getting those guys locked up. JP never said he was some genius racketeer either. Y'all are a bunch of haterzzz

That's because defense in all the cases he testified at wasn't allowed to bring up his past history - whether it was the kid he killed, this assault or the protective order that was placed against him by his wife.

If you think about it, it's n overall issue that should be explored. I believe that all evidence bad or good for either side should be presented to the jury. Only way they can see the full picture and make a decision. Not this pick and choose stuff.

I guess it depends on the case insofar as tainting a jury with information that is not relevant to a particular case.....

But you’re definitely right when it comes to government witnesses throwing people under the bus to lighten their own sentence, then all bets should be off so a jury can see what kind of character they’re dealing with.

I would even go a step further and suggest that no one should be convicted based on the word of an informant because words are not factual evidence.

I agree. I think hearsay evidence is particularly concerning because it's basically gossip and it's like the blind man and the elephant story - evidence that is told second and third hand is going to get messed up somewhere.

[JakeTheSnake630]

In addition, if it was only "alleged" what he did to this woman - then the prosecution and the Court would not have addressed it either at the time of trial or in Castelle's appeal because it would have been false information.

can you post the docs you referenced regardng Tom

I don't hold anything against anyone. However, if you're a public figure and making money off giving business advice as both of them have said numerous times, then you should be transparent 100%. Obviously, I don't know if this is discussed in any of the private sessions. In addition, plenty of successful business people have gone through difficult times and used these experiences as part of their fabric for success. However, they have also been transparent about it.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... nkruptcy-2

Absolutely agree mafiastudent. Appreciate you posting that!

[chubby]

John Pennisi on his podcast and other interviews comes across as very humble. Not once did he brag about violence he committed or how much money he made. He never seems like he’s bragging. Also he is a good storyteller. It makes you almost feel like you are there with him. I admit that i enjoy watching Pennisi's stuff on youtube.

He doesn't brag because the only violence he committed was shooting and killing a guy over a girl and violently assaulting a woman because he thought she was having an affair with Eugene Castelle. By violently assaulting, I mean he punched her so hard in the face, he knocked her teeth out. You can go back through the threads for the documentation on those two things.

Also they're apparently charging 500 for a one hour session and 300 for a 1/2 hour session - at least two people have said that in the comments. And it's more if you want to add in one of their other informant friends. I'm not sure what kind of business advice either one of them is going to give considering....do a little digging and you'll be surprised at what you find. Here's a start...follow the trail to see where it leads you.

https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/x-fa ... s%20System

He beat up a hispanic drug dealer who was selling heroin to John Castelluci's son. He mentioned that in his first New Theory interview.

Well didn't Big John's son die of a heroin overdose? The fact he hurt a dealer is a public service in my opinion.

Yeah but then turning around and laughing and videotaping a soldier in his own crew Johnny perna because he was nodding out at dinner in front of the whole crew and his own father?? Obviously has 0 sympathy for someone who was battling the same exact demons that took his sons life... honestly that was such a childish/punk way to handle that situation with 0 respect, like I said especially in front of Ralph perna also...

[Etna]

John Pennisi on his podcast and other interviews comes across as very humble. Not once did he brag about violence he committed or how much money he made. He never seems like he’s bragging. Also he is a good storyteller. It makes you almost feel like you are there with him. I admit that i enjoy watching Pennisi's stuff on youtube.

He doesn't brag because the only violence he committed was shooting and killing a guy over a girl and violently assaulting a woman because he thought she was having an affair with Eugene Castelle. By violently assaulting, I mean he punched her so hard in the face, he knocked her teeth out. You can go back through the threads for the documentation on those two things.

Also they're apparently charging 500 for a one hour session and 300 for a 1/2 hour session - at least two people have said that in the comments. And it's more if you want to add in one of their other informant friends. I'm not sure what kind of business advice either one of them is going to give considering....do a little digging and you'll be surprised at what you find. Here's a start...follow the trail to see where it leads you.

https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/x-fa ... s%20System

He beat up a hispanic drug dealer who was selling heroin to John Castelluci's son. He mentioned that in his first New Theory interview.

Well didn't Big John's son die of a heroin overdose? The fact he hurt a dealer is a public service in my opinion.

Yeah but then turning around and laughing and videotaping a soldier in his own crew Johnny perna because he was nodding out at dinner in front of the whole crew and his own father?? Obviously has 0 sympathy for someone who was battling the same exact demons that took his sons life... honestly that was such a childish/punk way to handle that situation with 0 respect, like I said especially in front of Ralph perna also...

Oh good point! I forgot about that. Yes, extremely classless. I had several cousins who went through drug addictions and it's horrible. I really do think anyone who deals that shit needs to be killed - fuck prison. That's just my opinion, though.

[Etna]

Domestic violence is wrong. But cheating on a Mafia member with another isn't the brightest thing to do either and its almost asking for it. Especially considering the ramifications of the life and the rules that go with it. If I borrowed money from a Member, didn't pay and he knocked out four of my teeth and I came on here to bitch about it, I'm sure there'd be a few people who'd respond that I shouldn't borrow money from gangsters. In fact, both she and I would be lucky considering the consequences that would have been inflicted in decades past.

Again, not condoning domestic violence or vigilantism but if you're going to swim with sharks...

According to the latest episode, she's with another made member with the Colombo family. Gotta wonder who that is...I've got some ideas...

[thesalesexpert]

The bankruptcy is another Thomas LaVecchia. If you’re going to do research and post it here, at least get it right

[johnny_scootch]

The bankruptcy is another Thomas LaVecchia. If you’re going to do research and post it here, at least get it right

Is that you Thomas? Thank the lord you burned that God awful hat!

[Bruno187]

Domestic violence is wrong. But cheating on a Mafia member with another isn't the brightest thing to do either and its almost asking for it. Especially considering the ramifications of the life and the rules that go with it. If I borrowed money from a Member, didn't pay and he knocked out four of my teeth and I came on here to bitch about it, I'm sure there'd be a few people who'd respond that I shouldn't borrow money from gangsters. In fact, both she and I would be lucky considering the consequences that would have been inflicted in decades past.

Again, not condoning domestic violence or vigilantism but if you're going to swim with sharks...

Amongst all the back and forth, I couldn't help but think this.
This ENTIRE thing would have been avoided if they kept to the rules. The rules exist to keep order. When you get straightened out you're told, no fooling around with other made guys wives, girlfriends, daughters, sisters, or relatives. It's a recipe for disaster, and the guys who made the rules saw the potential for problems with this. Years ago, guys wouldn't even go in the same house or apartment that another guy's wife was in if the guy wasn't there, so as to keep everything "above board" and even avoid the POTENTIAL for a claim to be made.
As time went on, you had guys whose M.O. became to actually go after and bang associate's guys wives and girlfriends. That, in my humble opinion, is pathological. It's more about power and marking territory. Today it seems to be the rule as opposed to the exception. I read about Joe Relay's wife who left him to go with Cupcakes Urgitano. Then Castelle goes after Pennisi's girl despite knowing she was involved with him.
Again, domestic violence is wrong......but what about the rules? Is there a shortage of eligible attractive women without ties to other guys in the life in these neighborhoods? C'mon now.