OlBlueEyesClub wrote:Anybody have a transcript or a link where I can either read or hear Stango's explanation in relation to the Jersey families origins?
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Some interesting info from a 1953 article on Nick Delmore from the Asbury Park Press. In 1953 a reporter visited Delmore at his farm, Delwake Farms, in Freehold, where Delmore was photographed atop a tractor assisting a work crew cleaning out an irrigation ditch on his property. Delmore asserted to the reporter that he was born in San Francisco in 1888 and that his birth record was destroyed in the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. He said his father came to work on the Union Pacific Railroad in 1885, and that his sister told him that he was born there and the records were destroyed. Also he says in 1941, the US Immigration Service stated that Delmore was a native American. Delmore also told the reporter he spent thousands to find his birth records but came up empty.
OlBlueEyesClub wrote:Anybody have a transcript or a link where I can either read or hear Stango's explanation in relation to the Jersey families origins?
OlBlueEyesClub wrote:Anybody have a transcript or a link where I can either read or hear Stango's explanation in relation to the Jersey families origins?
He IDs Riggi as the Boss. Milk was IDed as the Street Boss. "Horse" was IDed as the Acting Boss.
Stango does say that Milks uncle was the UnderBoss and Consiglieri. Majuri's father was the UnderBoss and Consiglieri. Maybe it is him? Then again most of these guys are related in some way that it really can apply to anyone. That is also assuming that Stangos info was correct to began with which is iffy since he got some of the early history wrong. He also strikes me as a Lefty Ruggiero type. A guy that is not too bright and not really in tune with what is going on around him.
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Here is what Chucky posted from Scoops Licata's detention memo regarding the DeCavs circa 2010:
LICATA also inquired about the current leadership of the DeCavalcante LCN Family, which is also known as the “Elizabeth Crew.” LICATA discussed the recent demotion of specific members of the DeCavalcante LCN Family. LICATA noted the sons of a former DeCavalcante leader had been identified as the new power in the family, and expressed both astonishment and disdain about the new leadership. LICATA asked the CW to check with the Gambino administration to verify the new leadership of the DeCavalcante LCN Family because LICATA had business with the crime family.
I wonder if he named anyone specific re: demotions and the "sons of a former DeCavalcante leader" being in power. This wouldn't be a reference to Riggi's sons, as Riggi was the current boss at this time and it's unlikely the Riggis would have stepped back into the fold based on what we know.
One guess would be the Collettis, as Domenico Colletti is a member and Pietro Colletti (his brother I believe) was proposed circa 1999. Pretty sure they are both sons of deceased captain Giuseppe Colletti. Domenico is also the son-in-law of Stefano Vitabile.
guarraci had family members that were higher ups in the DeCav's back in the day? I thought when stango made that reference he was speaking of Majuri's old man.
B. wrote:Here is what Chucky posted from Scoops Licata's detention memo regarding the DeCavs circa 2010:
LICATA also inquired about the current leadership of the DeCavalcante LCN Family, which is also known as the “Elizabeth Crew.” LICATA discussed the recent demotion of specific members of the DeCavalcante LCN Family. LICATA noted the sons of a former DeCavalcante leader had been identified as the new power in the family, and expressed both astonishment and disdain about the new leadership. LICATA asked the CW to check with the Gambino administration to verify the new leadership of the DeCavalcante LCN Family because LICATA had business with the crime family.
I wonder if he named anyone specific re: demotions and the "sons of a former DeCavalcante leader" being in power. This wouldn't be a reference to Riggi's sons, as Riggi was the current boss at this time and it's unlikely the Riggis would have stepped back into the fold based on what we know.
One guess would be the Collettis, as Domenico Colletti is a member and Pietro Colletti (his brother I believe) was proposed circa 1999. Pretty sure they are both sons of deceased captain Giuseppe Colletti. Domenico is also the son-in-law of Stefano Vitabile.
Allot has happened since 2010. Both Riggi and Guarracci are dead. Fast forward to the Stango tapes. I think Milk is Marjuri and by the way Stango was speaking it can be assumed that Majuri would take over a Boss. Just my take because Marjuri has been shooting for the top spot since the late 90s. Majuri's had relaionships with the most Newark crews from the other families going back decades so pushing for the Gambino's ok on being boss would be easier for Marjuri. And If Stango was close to the Majuri faction before his last prison stretch it makes sense that he was in on a hit along with Tango(a Newark crew member of Tino's).
Yea, I think Milk may have been a reference to Majuri as well, personally. Judging from the research you guys have done and the possibility that the early Maiuri's may have been mafiosi or affiliated and the Corleone connection and the elder Majuri, Frank, being born in East Harlem which was Morello stomping ground in the early 19th century.
Just to clarify, there is no information connecting Frank's father Calogero to the mafia except very general circumstance and his son's membership in the DeCav family. Calogero "Charles" came to the US from Corleone as a teenager in the late 1890s, lived in New York through at least 1915, then by 1930 he had settled in Elizabeth. His occupation was as a lather, which is interesting given the many Morello/Reina family connections to the lathing business. Frank's first occupation was also as a lather and of course he later joined local 394 like most NJ DeCav members.
I've also mentioned many times that Frank used the alias "Frank Gagliano". It doesn't look like that was his mother's maiden name, though... appears her name was originally "Maria D. Carlo", though later info has her only as "Jennie". Appears she was also born in Corleone and came to the US a couple of years after Calogero, coming into the US through New Orleans. A Francesco Maiuri several years older than Calogero had come into New Orleans from Corleone in 1897, same year as Calogero, but the full record isn't available and I can't track down specifics on the date/location that Calogero came into the US. Would be interesting if they came on the same ship and this Francesco could be a brother/relative but not sure.
I might be wrong about Frank being born in East Harlem. Not sure where I came across that, may have gotten mixed up. His birth record has him as being born in the Bronx, which would still potentially put them in "relevant" territory.
An older Calogero Maiuri/Majuri was identified as a member of the Corleone family during the late 1890s and early 1900s, and there were some other Maiuri/Majuris who were said to be members there as well (this older Calogero's brothers, for example). It's not crazy to assume that these were relatives of the Calogero "Charles" who came to the US, though without more info we don't know what the relation was. None of his sons' names match up with these early Corleone members so seems unlikely that any of these three were Charles' father given the Sicilian naming tradition. As Christie said, Maggiore is another variation of this name.
Thanks for the clarifications, B. So much interesting things there to learn more about, too bad we cant access some more files and records to make this theory of Milk being Charles Majuri and his family possibly being among the originators of the Jersey Family, a little more clear.
A Maiuri came into the US via New Orelans in 1891, but the paper is ripped so you can't read the full first name (looks like it starts with a G), only that they're listed as male. The only possible match I could find is Giovanni/John Maiuri (born ~1866, arrived 1891) who was still living as a boarder in Louisiana in 1900 but disappears after that.
What stood out, though, is there was a Pasquale Badami (born 1974) on the same ship as G.Maiuri and he first went to Manhattan and later settled in North Jersey by 1907.
Have to wonder if both of these guys were from Corleone. Badami in particular stands out to me given the NJ connection.
If this Maiuri and Badami were both from Corleone that'd be an interesting coincidence.