Dominick Cicale stated the Montreal decimal still paid tribute to NY post George’s death which, if true, means in name at least, they were certainly still a decina of the family.
This would appear to contradict VR’s above ‘statements’.
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Dominick Cicale stated the Montreal decimal still paid tribute to NY post George’s death which, if true, means in name at least, they were certainly still a decina of the family.
Yes. And Vito was told to pay a higher tribute. Massino sent word to Vito about Vitale turning rat. Also wasn't some members of the Montreal Decina disappointed that nobody was chosen as Sciaccas replacement during Vitale's first visit to Montreal, after the Sciacca hit. I guess it could be possible that they broke from the Bonannos after some of these events. But I came away thinking that it looked like they were never the sixth Family and always remained a Bonanno decina. Probably with the Bonanno leadership constantly getting busted they became more distant from themSonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:48 pmDominick Cicale stated the Montreal decimal still paid tribute to NY post George’s death which, if true, means in name at least, they were certainly still a decina of the family.
This would appear to contradict VR’s above ‘statements’.
I agree, especially with the evidence showing that the Violi's are with buffalo. Perhaps some of the killings between ndrangheta were linked to the war, and some calabrians from Toronto were brought in to do work, and had influence in the war, I don't think they were at the root of it. When people said it was calabrians killing the Rizzuto's, they were likely right; but they weren't ndrangheta, they are a mostly calabrian faction within LCN.scagghiuni wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:23 pm i'm starting to think that all this bis mafia war both in montreal and ontario is a total lcn one
in montreal two bonanno factions killing eachother, in ontario the buffalo family (violi) allied with montagna to take over the rizzuto's in montreal and also revenge his father
That's indeed the case.CabriniGreen wrote:He does not have the impression that the murders of his father and his son have the same motive or were commanded by the same individuals.
( I've actually always thought this too, that the hits on his son, and the ones against his dad and Renda seemed like different teams entirely.. Interesting..)
Then perhaps he was doing just that. Then again, he was sharing his opinion and not selling anyone out by providing actual facts. Not to mention, it was because of his absense that the Rizzuto empire was being teared apart, an absense as a result of being betrayed by the "rats" Massino and Vitale. So considering the circumstances this ratting was likely forgiven/ignored.SonnyBlackstein wrote:VR stating to authorities that it’s the NY Bonannos who are making war on ‘his’ family, and that he broke his family off post George’s murder, is not tantamount to ratting, it, is, ratting.
I would disagree.Lupara wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:41 pmThen perhaps he was doing just that. Then again, he was sharing his opinion and not selling anyone out by providing actual facts. Not to mention, it was because of his absense that the Rizzuto empire was being teared apart, an absense as a result of being betrayed by the "rats" Massino and Vitale. So considering the circumstances this ratting was likely forgiven/ignored.SonnyBlackstein wrote:VR stating to authorities that it’s the NY Bonannos who are making war on ‘his’ family, and that he broke his family off post George’s murder, is not tantamount to ratting, it, is, ratting.
So you believe Renaud or LE who provided him with this information is making this up? Or do you think Rizzuto was deliberately providing false info, even though the evidence corresponds with his statements, at least the part of who was behind the attacks?SonnyBlackstein wrote:I would disagree.Lupara wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:41 pmThen perhaps he was doing just that. Then again, he was sharing his opinion and not selling anyone out by providing actual facts. Not to mention, it was because of his absense that the Rizzuto empire was being teared apart, an absense as a result of being betrayed by the "rats" Massino and Vitale. So considering the circumstances this ratting was likely forgiven/ignored.SonnyBlackstein wrote:VR stating to authorities that it’s the NY Bonannos who are making war on ‘his’ family, and that he broke his family off post George’s murder, is not tantamount to ratting, it, is, ratting.
What would be the motivation to rat?
What would he gain?
At best hypothetical good grace with authorities, at worst, expulsion and death for betrayal of Omertà. Italians in canada as, the point of this thread, still kill.
It just doesn’t make sense to me. Qui Bono, who benefits?
Hardly Vito. So, why do so?
It just seems unlikely IMO.
I don’t have an answer for you. I simply don’t know.Lupara wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:46 pmSo you believe Renaud or LE who provided him with this information is making this up? Or do you think Rizzuto was deliberately providing false info, even though the evidence corresponds with his statements, at least the part of who was behind the attacks?SonnyBlackstein wrote:I would disagree.Lupara wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:41 pmThen perhaps he was doing just that. Then again, he was sharing his opinion and not selling anyone out by providing actual facts. Not to mention, it was because of his absense that the Rizzuto empire was being teared apart, an absense as a result of being betrayed by the "rats" Massino and Vitale. So considering the circumstances this ratting was likely forgiven/ignored.SonnyBlackstein wrote:VR stating to authorities that it’s the NY Bonannos who are making war on ‘his’ family, and that he broke his family off post George’s murder, is not tantamount to ratting, it, is, ratting.
What would be the motivation to rat?
What would he gain?
At best hypothetical good grace with authorities, at worst, expulsion and death for betrayal of Omertà. Italians in canada as, the point of this thread, still kill.
It just doesn’t make sense to me. Qui Bono, who benefits?
Hardly Vito. So, why do so?
It just seems unlikely IMO.
Moscone65 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:44 am The Rizzuto's were interesting because they were their own brand of cosa nostra. They weren't exactly LCN per say, but they weren't pure sicilian cosa nostra. (They didn't answer to the cupola and they Inducted members of non sicilian ancestry, like the LCN.)
So it could have been in the case like Frank Cali where he is thought that he is a member of both the Inzerillo's in Sicily, and the Gambinos of course.
Cicale testified at several racketeering trials. In none of them did he testify about anything regarding Montreal.SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:12 pm This is direct contradiction to Bonnano acting Capo Dominick Cicale's testimony.