antimafia wrote:Montagna, Desjardins, and Mirarchi underestimated the Rizzuto loyalists. Desjardins refused to believe Montagna’s claim that Vito Rizzuto (who incidentally was still in prison) directed people to attack Montagna’s camp. Now we learn from Renaud’s book that Desjardins’ envoy, Giuseppe Bertolo, was shaken after meeting with Montagna, Domenico Arcuri, and others shortly after the attempt on Desjardins. Shaken because it seemed that Montagna was telling the truth.
And yet they still went forward with their plan to kill Montagna, a made member and leader of the Bonanno crime family. Pretty brazen and idiotic given the uncertainty of Montagna's role in the hit, and the fact that Desjardins was on his own (not supported by his brother-in-law).
Also, note how Edwards and Nicaso wrote about this situation in a whole different context, making Montagna out to be a fool and that Desjardins and Bertolo made fun of him.
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I urge everyone interested in this topic to (re) read Renaud's article of these conversations. It now puts it in a whole different perspective.
Here's the complete translation:
For a few months in 2011, RCMP investigators who unknowingly intercepted the new leaders of the Montreal mafia witnessed a live attack on a murderous plot that will mark Canada's criminal history. The recent lifting of a ban on publication that hit all the evidence of this plot allows us to reveal the bottom of this resounding affair.
After attacking the Rizzuto clan during the Colisée investigation in the early 2000s, RCMP investigators in 2011 launched the Clemenza investigation, which targets the new strong men of the Montreal mafia, Raynald Desjardins and his allies. The investigators intercept the messages of the suspects and note that the clans Desjardins and Montagna, who had allied themselves in 2009-2010 to overthrow the Rizzuto, begin to argue about sports betting.
THE CONSPIRACY
August 4, 2011
Mirarchi: "I saw the guys from Paris today. They are disappointed that they can not do business with us. He [Montagna] wants everything, he's crazy. "
August 9
Desjardins to Mirarchi: "He believes that by intimidation, he will have everything. I will meet him when I return. He will not walk us on it. "
August 30
Mirarchi announces to his mentor that one of their own men, Calogero Milioto, has received an offer to eliminate Desjardins.
Mirarchi: "Get ready when you hear that. The hair will stand on your head. "
"They asked him to do me! Lol, "says Desjardins, with a grain of salt.
The conflict escalates. The men of Desjardins begin to track those of Montagna with spinning and surveillance. Later, with the help of moles, they will even copy and decrypt the messages of the opposing clan.
September 6th
Desjardins to Mirarchi: "Can you put a GPS in [woman] [Montagna] 's vehicle? "
September 8th
Montagna sends a message to Desjardins in which he announces that one of the Arcuri brothers was the victim of an attempted murder four days earlier.
"I can not believe this damn family is still trying. He [Vito Rizzuto] has sent a message from the inside that he will get on the heels of all of us, "Montagna writes. Desjardins transfers the message to Mirarchi.
"He puts that on Vito's back! I do not believe it, "writes Desjardins.
September 16th
Desjardins is the victim of an attempted murder in Laval. In the minutes that followed, he made a 29-second call to Domenico Arcuri, ally of Montagna.
"I know it's you. I missed you, but I will not miss you, "he says.
Arcuri sends a message to Raynald Desjardins telling him that he and Montagna want to meet him urgently. Desjardins sends his man of confidence, Giuseppe Bertolo.
"They say it's not them. That they have proof of where it comes from: the family [Rizzuto]. Apparently, they are back in the portrait, "Bertolo writes.
"Lol, they could have found something better than that," Mirarchi answers.
September 22
Desjardins is convinced that the attack against him comes from Montagna. He received a message from Montagna and wrote to Mirarchi:
"He wrote me a love letter that it's not him. Next time will be the last. "
September 23
Mirarchi writes to Desjardins:
"If we can have Luigi or Mario [nicknames of the Arcuri brothers], that would be good. Then they will make several mistakes. "
November 15th
Desjardins receives a message from one of his men that he is transferring to Mirarchi:
"Tinman [Montagna] and Frosty [one of the Arcuri brothers] believe you're going to take revenge for what happened to Old [Desjardins]," the message says.
"It's time to close the book. The story becomes too long, "says Mirarchi.
The same day, Pietro Magistrale (a co-accused) file Montagna. He writes to Mirarchi:
"We saw him drop the kids. He then made crazy maneuvers, so much that we are unable to trace him in this crazy traffic. "
November 16th
Mirarchi at Desjardins:
"These guys become dangerous. Mickey [Montagna] told Turkey [Moreno Gallo, Montagna's ally] that everything is right between him and you. Turkey gives him weapons. Mickey says he's bringing guys from New York to help him. "
November 20th
Desjardins to Mirarchi:
"I hope everything will be finished this week. "
"Me too," answers Mirarchi.
21 November
Desjardins to Mirarchi:
"I have the place. J [Jack Simpson] feels more at home. "
November 24
8:44 am : Salvatore Montagna arrives at the Champlain Hotel and parks his car in the indoor parking. He took the metro at Bonaventure station and got off at Langelier station at 9:31. Jack Simpson took him aboard his white F-150 pick-up.
9:54 am : The vehicle takes Rue Île Vaudry, located on Trésors Island, Charlemagne.
10 am : A first witness called 911 after hearing gunshots.
10:03 am Desjardins writes to Simpson: "Did you do it? "Yes," Simpson answers. Desjardins announces the news to Mirarchi. "Perfect," says the latter.
A few minutes later, police patrolmen from Repentigny discover Montagna's body. After being hit in Jack Simpson's house, he ran to the L'Assomption River, crossed it and collapsed on the other side. He does not wear shoes. A bullet is found intact near his body. He was hit by three bullets and the autopsy will reveal that he died while passing a projectile shot on the back, on the left. In the house, no trace of disorder except a trace of blood on the barrel of the front door.
November 25
At 8:19 pm, two SQ investigators visited Desjardins in his Laval home to talk about the murder. "He was nervous. He began to clean his dining table, which was already clean, "a sergeant wrote in a report. Desjardins denies: "I am in construction, not in destruction. He warns the police that if they want to stop him, he goes on vacation on December 26. He asks them to call him before he goes, so they do not smash the door.
November 27
Three days after the murder, Desjardins and Mirarchi have a conversation that suggests they want to attack the allies of Montagna.
"Turkey [Gallo] is the priority, not Mario [one of the Arcuri brothers]," writes Desjardins.
"Yes, it will be fast," says Mirarchi.
December 13
Antonio Pietrantonio, another ally of Montagna, is the victim of an attempted murder at the entrance of a restaurant on Jarry Street in Montreal. A member of the Desjardins clan probably spied on him when the crime was committed, to his surprise.
"It happened right outside the door. The police do not let anyone out. If they ever search him, they will find the three phones he has on him, "writes an anxious accomplice of the Desjardins clan.
The police believe that this attack could be the work of the Sicilians, who were believed to be finished, and who have probably benefited from the conflict Desjardins-Montagna to rise from the ashes and prepare the return of Vito Rizzuto.
December 20th
Raynald Desjardins, Vittorio Mirarchi and members of their inner circle are arrested for the murder of Montagna. RCMP investigators hand-delivered the evidence to their SQ colleagues. The carefully prepared RCMP file, which compiles all the incriminating conversations, is close to 3,000 pages long.
***
EPILOGUE
After Raynald Desjardins last year, all other co-defendants pleaded guilty in March to a reduced charge of conspiracy for the murder of Montagna. The awards will be announced next fall.
The co-accused are Raynald Desjardins, Vittorio Mirarchi, Pietro Magistrale (64), Jack Simpson (74), Calogero Milioto (45), Felice Racaniello (31), Steven Fracas (31) and Steven D'Addario (38). years).
antimafia wrote:Montagna, Desjardins, and Mirarchi underestimated the Rizzuto loyalists. Desjardins refused to believe Montagna’s claim that Vito Rizzuto (who incidentally was still in prison) directed people to attack Montagna’s camp. Now we learn from Renaud’s book that Desjardins’ envoy, Giuseppe Bertolo, was shaken after meeting with Montagna, Domenico Arcuri, and others shortly after the attempt on Desjardins. Shaken because it seemed that Montagna was telling the truth.
And yet they still went forward with their plan to kill Montagna, a made member and leader of the Bonanno crime family. Pretty brazen and idiotic given the uncertainty of Montagna's role in the hit, and the fact that Desjardins was on his own (not supported by his brother-in-law).
This put an upcoming chapter in better context. About DiMaulos response to Montagnas death.
Antimafia wrote:In Cellule 8002 vs mafia, Renaud previously wrote about the Rizzuto loyalists being behind the attempted murder of Desjardins, as well as the attempt on Antonino Arcuri. Renaud wasn’t interjecting a theory but, rather, law enforcement’s assessment. Montagna was telling the truth to Desjardins’ envoy(s). The Rizzuto loyalists came up with a brilliant plan, despite not killing Desjardins. Any crime group would have come up with the same plan in a situation where you had three rival factions.
So what about those transcripts showing Desjardins and Mirarchi talking about hitting Antonino Arcuri? Is LE rejecting its own intel?
In his 2016 book, Renaud writes that the September 4, 2011 attack on Antonino wasn’t at all on the radar of either the police or the media. (Arcuri was hit with four bullets.) Renaud further specifically writes the following: Avec le recul, et en analysant la suite des événements, tout porte à croire que la tentative de meutre contre un des fils Arcuri est le premier acte de la riposte des Siciliens. Le deuxième acte sera joué moons de deux semaines plus tard.
So the Rizzuto loyalists seemed to first be behind the attack on both Antonino and, exactly two weeks later, on Desjardins.
So the Rizzuto group was the gang that couldn't shoot straight (two failed hits) and somehow that played out in their favor. Could it be that they deliberately wanted the hits to fail? It seems too much of a coincidence.
And again, what do we then make of the hacked phone transcripts of conversations between Desjardins and Mirarchi talking about hitting Antonino Arcuri exactly around the same time. During these days Mirarchi was actively looking to hit Arcuri and had his men do surveillance. Is Renaud (or LE) ignoring this evidence?
To me, if I'm reading right, looks like Rizzuto, either him directly, or more likely his people on the street got wind that Montagna and Dejardins were beefing about the sportsbook, or other rackets.
To play em against each other, he hits a guy in BOTH camps, precisely at a time when they have tension amongst themselves. The timing would have had to have been, I feel like the Rizzutos must gave hsd a spy or double agent in either Dejardins or Montagnas camp.
antimafia wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:10 am
Humphreys writing a column for his newspaper about how Vito royally screwed up by allegedly inducting Raynald Desjardins and Joe Bravo (Juan Ramon Fernandez);
Would you mind posting a link to this article I can't seem to find it on my own. Thank you.
antimafia wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:10 am
Humphreys writing a column for his newspaper about how Vito royally screwed up by allegedly inducting Raynald Desjardins and Joe Bravo (Juan Ramon Fernandez);
Would you mind posting a link to this article I can't seem to find it on my own. Thank you.
Here you go:
Sicily wiretaps show how Montreal mob boss Vito Rizzuto paid for breaking Mafia rules
BY ADRIAN HUMPHREYS
ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: MAY 10, 2013
What gets me is Montagnas guy, apparently without his knowledge (?) reaches out to one of Dejardins guys, to set up Dejardins? Hes the double agent, right? lol
So just to keep track....
There's the Rizzutos faction, the Dejardins- Mirarchi faction, I guess we call it the Montagna- Arcuri faction....
are the Violis thier own faction here? Or part of the Montagna faction?
Few quick questions....
1. Did Montagna abdicate the Acting Boss title upon deportation? If so, it maybe could be argued he had a shakey claim....
2. If Vito didnt die, would the Montreal regime have reconciled with NY?
3. Givin the recent statements by Dom Violi, that Montreal was stabilizing and the old divisions being gone, AND the revelation that Joe Violi wanted to " uphold his father's legacy "...
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:07 am
Also, B.
I'm a little confused, in your recap of the Bronx crew capos, where does Basciano fit in?
Cause see, I always saw HIM, as the receiving point for Sciascias heroin, as far as NY based Bonnanos.
So I kinda saw the crews as connected, business- wise.
I thought it substantial when Vito threatened to kill him, as I thought he would have been threatening his " Superior", since Basciano was the Bronx capo then....
Or is that wrong.?
Basciano was given his own separate decina that split off from DeFilippo in the early 2000s. This crew then went to Cicale when Basciano stepped up to run the family.
Basciano had a reputation as a major heroin mover in NYC and given that Cicale said he was involved in other drug deals with Montreal in the 2000s, it seems likely he also distributed heroin from Montreal over the years. Montreal was a major source of heroin for the Bonanno family and other NYC families since the 1950s and that continued for decades. Basciano was under Dominick Trinchera early on in his career and Trinchera himself (who was a Bronx captain for a time in the early 80s) was originally under Sonny Indelicato who is believed to have been an NYC distributor of Montreal heroin before his murder; given Basciano's early ties to this crew it is entirely possible he stepped up as a bigger NYC distributor of Montreal heroin to fill the void left by the Indelicato group.
When people gossip about Montreal "severing ties" with the Bonannos, they tend to overlook the fact that the Bonannos were always a major outlet for the Montreal crew's heroin once it came into the US. This includes the Cotronis up through Sciascia, so Montreal had a strong incentive to keep their connection to NYC for drug trafficking alone.
antimafia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:05 am
Massino and the admin., including Vitale, knew about Joe Renda having been made by at least the time of Sciascia’s funeral—made probably in New York but possibly in Montreal, given the New York–born Renda’s and his family’s ties to Montreal. All the New York Families, not just Massino’s, would have known about the Romeo Bucci proposed by Montreal in the late ‘90s (per former poster JD’s research). Humphreys and Lamothe knew about Renda’s made status, but I strongly doubt the authors knew of Bucci’s proposed membership.
Wasn't Bucci already a member in 1973 when he was said to have "cast" Montreal's vote in the Bonanno family boss election? If I remember right I thought he showed up in the deceased member column for an induction list in the 90s, not as a proposed member. Frank Cotroni also showed up on a Bonanno induction list in the deceased column in 2004. So we know the Bonannos at least kept track of Montreal members dying, but I'd be curious how they knew. It seems doubtful the Bonannos in NYC were checking Montreal papers for obituaries, so someone must have kept them in the loop.
This report from the 1960s might shed light on why NYC was "out of the loop":
So the "approximately 20" number goes back at least to 1964, and they were said to have been given a "free hand in the administration of its own group" by the post-Joe Bonanno regime. Whether this was meant to be temporary during the upheaval or permanent is hard to say, but it might explain why the NYC admin may not have known the full membership in later years since "free hand in the administration of its own group" could very well include maintaining the crew's membership. I do have to point out again that Montreal does seem to have followed the rules by not making members when the books were closed as of the 1970s, though Joe Bonanno was accused of inducting members when the books were closed in the early 60s.
antimafia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:15 am
Recall, as well, that Montagna at one point asked Di Maulo to lead Montreal, a position that Di Maulo declined. (The offer makes sense because Di Maulo was a made Bonanno, and Montagna would be his superior in the Bonanno Family.)
That would fit with the idea that Montagna still held some kind of authority in the Bonanno family, or it could be that Montagna was telling police the truth about wanting to move to Toronto and he wanted DiMaulo to take over the Montreal group since he (Montagna) would be leaving town. Between the alleged meeting where he told Nick Rizzuto to step aside and this info about trying to elevate Joe DiMaulo, it does point to Montagna continuing to act as a high-ranking leader (higher than captain) even if he wasn't able to continue in that capacity over NYC. Of course that doesn't mean everyone took him seriously in that role in Montreal.
I'm impressed how you (as always) are connecting the dots (Galante/Montreal crew/individual connections lineages) based on excellent research. You may be the forum's best analyst.
Thanks, brother!
By the way, Desjardins replying "lol" when discussing attempted mob hits and nicknaming their targets "Mario and Luigi" adds a whole other level to this. Welcome to a mob war in the 2010s.
In those messages they say too that Montagna claimed he was bringing shooters from NYC. Given that an NYC mafioso called a Montreal mafioso after the Montagna murder offering to send people makes this sound like more than an empty claim from Montagna. The question is still who this NYC mafioso is and who Montagna was planning to bring to Montreal.
B.
I was surprised you never read that about Sciascia and Catalano. It's why I was so baffled it was such a fierce argument on here. I'm like, " Am I the ONLY one on here that's read this shit?"... and then to be called " confused", that shit was too much...
A few things......
It's a little incredible to me you would categorize it as " Gossip", like it's made up, the FIRST page of the book states that they were doing what they wanted.
Anti just defended a bunch of authors, who some on the board basically accused of perpetuating falsehoods, or making up shit, for their own benefit.... it's not gossip, people are just drawing conclusions based on what's in front of their face.....
Now, I'll give a few examples as context.
1. Scarfo- his baseball analogy, where soldiers and capos had to keep their superiors informed. Hed kill you if you didnt, killed his best capo because of his PERCIEVED independence- threat.
Now contrast with the Bonnano admin not even KNOWING all the members, so clearly they didnt confirm all of em either.... You would think they would ORDER all these guys to NY for an introduction, or just to check in...
(Didnt Corrozzo or someone order like, the whole Jersey to be remade, simply because they did it wrong?)
How could they have a total idea for what was goin on, or come up with an accurate estimate for tribute?
( Side question, how does an unconfirmed made guy, operate as a made guy? This goes to your point of, they cant be a family if the other families dont recognize em. Dont the same logic apply to a made guy?)
2. The Luchesse Jersey crew...
Think about it. Somewhat similar situation... prosperous, wealthy crew. Allowed to do pretty much what they wanted, kicked up only like 50,000 during Christmas. New admin says , nah we want half. They balk, Amuso says, " WACK JERSEY"... Not only that, when he got wind of Casso acting independent, he shelved him.
They didnt, like, send a soldier out to Jersey, and ASK the Jersey guys if they wanted capo or whatever. They dictated to them.
They could have ordered every Bonnano to stop doing business with the Rizzutos, how can Massino shelve the Underboss he doesnt trust, but cant do the same to an untrustworthy capo? it makes no sense...
The Bonnanos never shelved Vito or his dad. It's not like they could call the West End gang like," Those Rizzutos, they are renegades, dont let their loads in"..
Cant call the Hells, and TELL them who to sell to and where to sell....
Cant call the street gangs like, " the Rizzutos are renegades, don move their product"...
Cant put out word to all the Canadian gamblers," Those Rizzutos are renegades, dont bet with them, dont borrow from them.."
Cant reach out to the contractors or city officials like, " The Rizzutos are renegades, not one of their bids get approved, or even allowed, they build nothing, get no payoffs.."
Cant call the source countries, or the Mexicans like.." the Rizzutos are renegades, you sell to these guys not their guys"....
The ONE thing they could have done was reach out to the Canadian LCN and shut the Rizzutos out they didnt, which leads me to believe they couldnt.
No one, apparently even told em they couldnt make a Spaniard or a French Canadian, like, not even anyone in CANADA!(?)
25, 50, or 100 thousand was hardly proper tribute for the amount of shit they had going on.... They bring in 100 kilos. That's a thousand per kilo. You might get more money per ki just driving the stuff around.... We haven't even gotten to construction, gambling, extortion, all that..... If it wasnt sufficient for the Luke's, why were they content?
Which brings me to my third example
3. The Colombos and the Franzeses
It didnt matter Michael was the biggest earner. They didnt tolerate the rumor of him starting his own family. They were ready to kill HIM AND HIS FATHER. Money be damned.
4. Edit: Castellano and Gotti
Even Castellanos admittedly weak response to Gotti was still a RESPONSE, when he finally got an idea of Gottis rising power. He looked to break up the crew, so that's another option that was availible to the NY Bonnanos...
When you look at how other families in NY handled these problems, The Bonnanos just seemed remarkably lethargic, in comparison with the other families in dealing with a powerful faction. A lot of it had to do with there not being a strong boss in NY for, a long time. Basically that report you posted, that situation lasted like 20-25 years. Massino was starting to correct this, but this was decades of neglect he had to fix. Blood had to flow....
I dont think it correct to categorize it as gossip...
Use Britain and America as an analogy. They start a colony, extract revenue from it. But then they let it control it's own commerce and basically self govern, if given enough time, ITS GOING TO BECOME AUTONOMOUS, its NATURAL.
This is why I asked those questions..... If Rizzuto didnt die, and won the war, would he have reconciled with NY, or did they accept his independence?
Indeed, after getting out of prison, its said he met with " New York", was this a reconciliation, or an acknowledgement of independence?
Remember, Violi recently said, basically Montreal was much more cohesive, everyone working together....
okay, rant over....
What do you guys want next? More of Chapter 1, Chapter 2, DiMaulos reaction to the Montagna hit? Anti you wanna curate this thing now? Just let me know...
Buti sweat the little I know it does seem like the whole Rizzuto , Des and Montanga affair was earily similar to Gomorrah season 2 w Pietro pushing from the outside and with overall tension / distrist of the alliance high ( Dwarf, Prince & Ciro ) caused them to devour each other while Pietro ( Rizzuto ) takes over afterwards lol
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:28 am(Didnt Corrozzo or someone order like, the whole Jersey to be remade, simply because they did it wrong?)
That was Gotti who made the DeCavalcantes remake some guys.
No one, apparently even told em they couldnt make a Spaniard or a French Canadian, like, not even anyone in CANADA!(?)
Is there any verification of those guys actually being made beyond Fernandez claiming so over the phone? If not, I take that with a dump truck of salt.
