Moe Dalitz and the Cleveland Syndicate
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The FBI characterized Moe as “head of the Mayfield Road Gang,” where Dalitz, muscled his way into gambling, pinball, slot machine, and other rackets. His major competitor in the slot-machine racket in Cleveland, Nathan Weisenberg was ambushed and killed. Dalitz was never charged.
He was once accused of harboring Louis Buchalter and Jacob Shapiro when they were federal fugitives. He received special treatment from “Bugsy” Siegel, the collector/enforcer of the Trans America/Trans Union race wire and had illegal betting books in New York City and Saratoga Springs, New York, and Miami, Florida, as well as inside his Merchants Café casino in Newport, Kentucky.
He was once accused of harboring Louis Buchalter and Jacob Shapiro when they were federal fugitives. He received special treatment from “Bugsy” Siegel, the collector/enforcer of the Trans America/Trans Union race wire and had illegal betting books in New York City and Saratoga Springs, New York, and Miami, Florida, as well as inside his Merchants Café casino in Newport, Kentucky.
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In 1955, Dalitz invested with Meyer Lansky in the National Casino in Cuba. Jake Lansky ran the casino, but once again, Wilbur Clark was the frontman with his face was on the chips. The casino reopened as Wilbur Clark’s Casino International.
Back in Vegas, Dalitz founded real estate company Paradise Development, with Merv Adelson, Irwin Molasky, and Allard Roen. Dalitz retained outright control of the Stardust until it was purchased in November 1969 by the Parvin-Dohrmann Corporation, a front for the Chicago Outfit. Then he continued to purchase real estate in Las Vegas and eventually built the Sundance Hotel & Casino.
Back in Vegas, Dalitz founded real estate company Paradise Development, with Merv Adelson, Irwin Molasky, and Allard Roen. Dalitz retained outright control of the Stardust until it was purchased in November 1969 by the Parvin-Dohrmann Corporation, a front for the Chicago Outfit. Then he continued to purchase real estate in Las Vegas and eventually built the Sundance Hotel & Casino.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
-Pauly Walnuts, RIP
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Gus Russo is a joke. He's a terrible researcher and a bad writer to boot. Not C. David Heymann bad but definitely garbage.
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Only to later be poisoned while in his own hospital.JCB1977 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:19 amOn top of the Sunrise Hospital, Moe Dalitz also built the Las Vegas Country Club and Boulevard Mall. He also financed many home builders for private residential developments. He took over the Desert Inn in 1950 (79% ownership) and later the Stardust Resort and Casino. Moe also was partners in the Rock Island Railroad, Michigan Industrial Laundry Co., Detroit Steel Co. and founder of Dalitz Realty.SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:16 amThe Sunrise Hospital.CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:22 am Didnt Dalitz build, like, the biggest hospital in Arizona, or Vegas or something like that ?
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He at least lived to be 90 and never went to prison...that’s gotta count for somethingWiseguy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:50 pmOnly to later be poisoned while in his own hospital.JCB1977 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:19 amOn top of the Sunrise Hospital, Moe Dalitz also built the Las Vegas Country Club and Boulevard Mall. He also financed many home builders for private residential developments. He took over the Desert Inn in 1950 (79% ownership) and later the Stardust Resort and Casino. Moe also was partners in the Rock Island Railroad, Michigan Industrial Laundry Co., Detroit Steel Co. and founder of Dalitz Realty.SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:16 amThe Sunrise Hospital.CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:22 am Didnt Dalitz build, like, the biggest hospital in Arizona, or Vegas or something like that ?
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
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Thanks manStroccos wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:12 pmI would guess he probably did in his younger days . I believe he was in the original purple gang in Detroit ,Villain wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:22 am I think that Dalitz was also close to Joe Kennedy during prohibition
Is there any kind of info out there on whether he ever pulled the trigger?
EDIT: In addition to the Lansky chat, the guy was often mentioned by top members of the commission so maybe he didnt reach the American dream but still he accomplished something which never ever before existed in CN circles, followed by Guzik, Alex and even maybe Dalitz
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... rdo_lansky
he was a suspect in the morris komissarow murder in the early 1930's
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Yes I agree with you fellas that Russos books are sometimes hard to read after receiving all kinds of infos which he possibly wasnt able to get them at the time when he created his projects.
But dont get carried away by it so much since the Korshak brothers, especially the younger one, were pure Outfit associates.
But dont get carried away by it so much since the Korshak brothers, especially the younger one, were pure Outfit associates.
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As much content there is included in the book I’m sure it was easy to get things such as dates mixed up. If the book was purely about the Korshak brothers I believe it would’ve been easier to keep things lined up. The biggest thing that stuck out to me was him placing Zwillman at a 1967 meeting in Palm Springs with the Outfit leadership, considering how Zwillman was found hanging in his basement in 1959. Could’ve just been a simple mistake.Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:26 am Yes I agree with you fellas that Russos books are sometimes hard to read after receiving all kinds of infos which he possibly wasnt able to get them at the time when he created his projects.
But dont get carried away by it so much since the Korshak brothers, especially the younger one, were pure Outfit associates.
Funny story about the book. I was reading it in the last weeks of my marriage and anything that took my attention away from my ex wife she hated. Work, tv, computer, books , Xbox you name it if I enjoyed it she hated it and didn’t want me having anything to do with them. Anyway after we separated I was finishing the book. I get to the last 5 pages before the appendix start and she had ripped them out lol I still haven’t managed to read those 5 pages.
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DPG wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:30 amAs much content there is included in the book I’m sure it was easy to get things such as dates mixed up. If the book was purely about the Korshak brothers I believe it would’ve been easier to keep things lined up. The biggest thing that stuck out to me was him placing Zwillman at a 1967 meeting in Palm Springs with the Outfit leadership, considering how Zwillman was found hanging in his basement in 1959. Could’ve just been a simple mistake.Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:26 am Yes I agree with you fellas that Russos books are sometimes hard to read after receiving all kinds of infos which he possibly wasnt able to get them at the time when he created his projects.
But dont get carried away by it so much since the Korshak brothers, especially the younger one, were pure Outfit associates.
Funny story about the book. I was reading it in the last weeks of my marriage and anything that took my attention away from my ex wife she hated. Work, tv, computer, books , Xbox you name it if I enjoyed it she hated it and didn’t want me having anything to do with them. Anyway after we separated I was finishing the book. I get to the last 5 pages before the appendix start and she had ripped them out lol I still haven’t managed to read those 5 pages.
Did she have an axe to grind with you? You fuck her sister?
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My ex-wife and your ex sound like they are the same person.DPG wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:30 amAs much content there is included in the book I’m sure it was easy to get things such as dates mixed up. If the book was purely about the Korshak brothers I believe it would’ve been easier to keep things lined up. The biggest thing that stuck out to me was him placing Zwillman at a 1967 meeting in Palm Springs with the Outfit leadership, considering how Zwillman was found hanging in his basement in 1959. Could’ve just been a simple mistake.Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:26 am Yes I agree with you fellas that Russos books are sometimes hard to read after receiving all kinds of infos which he possibly wasnt able to get them at the time when he created his projects.
But dont get carried away by it so much since the Korshak brothers, especially the younger one, were pure Outfit associates.
Funny story about the book. I was reading it in the last weeks of my marriage and anything that took my attention away from my ex wife she hated. Work, tv, computer, books , Xbox you name it if I enjoyed it she hated it and didn’t want me having anything to do with them. Anyway after we separated I was finishing the book. I get to the last 5 pages before the appendix start and she had ripped them out lol I still haven’t managed to read those 5 pages.
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Yea it’s crazy anything I was interested in besides her was a constant fight. I was at her and her husbands house seeing my son one night last week and there is an Xbox in every damn room. So I pulled him off to the side and asked him if she lets him play them, he laughed at me and asked if I was crazy. I figured maybe she had grown up a little but I was wrong.SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:06 amMy ex-wife and your ex sound like they are the same person.DPG wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:30 amAs much content there is included in the book I’m sure it was easy to get things such as dates mixed up. If the book was purely about the Korshak brothers I believe it would’ve been easier to keep things lined up. The biggest thing that stuck out to me was him placing Zwillman at a 1967 meeting in Palm Springs with the Outfit leadership, considering how Zwillman was found hanging in his basement in 1959. Could’ve just been a simple mistake.Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:26 am Yes I agree with you fellas that Russos books are sometimes hard to read after receiving all kinds of infos which he possibly wasnt able to get them at the time when he created his projects.
But dont get carried away by it so much since the Korshak brothers, especially the younger one, were pure Outfit associates.
Funny story about the book. I was reading it in the last weeks of my marriage and anything that took my attention away from my ex wife she hated. Work, tv, computer, books , Xbox you name it if I enjoyed it she hated it and didn’t want me having anything to do with them. Anyway after we separated I was finishing the book. I get to the last 5 pages before the appendix start and she had ripped them out lol I still haven’t managed to read those 5 pages.
I get it....first rule of fight club.
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She's his problem now. Take solace in that fact.DPG wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:47 pmYea it’s crazy anything I was interested in besides her was a constant fight. I was at her and her husbands house seeing my son one night last week and there is an Xbox in every damn room. So I pulled him off to the side and asked him if she lets him play them, he laughed at me and asked if I was crazy. I figured maybe she had grown up a little but I was wrong.SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:06 amMy ex-wife and your ex sound like they are the same person.DPG wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:30 amAs much content there is included in the book I’m sure it was easy to get things such as dates mixed up. If the book was purely about the Korshak brothers I believe it would’ve been easier to keep things lined up. The biggest thing that stuck out to me was him placing Zwillman at a 1967 meeting in Palm Springs with the Outfit leadership, considering how Zwillman was found hanging in his basement in 1959. Could’ve just been a simple mistake.Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:26 am Yes I agree with you fellas that Russos books are sometimes hard to read after receiving all kinds of infos which he possibly wasnt able to get them at the time when he created his projects.
But dont get carried away by it so much since the Korshak brothers, especially the younger one, were pure Outfit associates.
Funny story about the book. I was reading it in the last weeks of my marriage and anything that took my attention away from my ex wife she hated. Work, tv, computer, books , Xbox you name it if I enjoyed it she hated it and didn’t want me having anything to do with them. Anyway after we separated I was finishing the book. I get to the last 5 pages before the appendix start and she had ripped them out lol I still haven’t managed to read those 5 pages.
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Yea I sleep a lot better knowing he has to deal with her and I don’t.SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:22 pmShe's his problem now. Take solace in that fact.DPG wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:47 pmYea it’s crazy anything I was interested in besides her was a constant fight. I was at her and her husbands house seeing my son one night last week and there is an Xbox in every damn room. So I pulled him off to the side and asked him if she lets him play them, he laughed at me and asked if I was crazy. I figured maybe she had grown up a little but I was wrong.SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:06 amMy ex-wife and your ex sound like they are the same person.DPG wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:30 amAs much content there is included in the book I’m sure it was easy to get things such as dates mixed up. If the book was purely about the Korshak brothers I believe it would’ve been easier to keep things lined up. The biggest thing that stuck out to me was him placing Zwillman at a 1967 meeting in Palm Springs with the Outfit leadership, considering how Zwillman was found hanging in his basement in 1959. Could’ve just been a simple mistake.Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:26 am Yes I agree with you fellas that Russos books are sometimes hard to read after receiving all kinds of infos which he possibly wasnt able to get them at the time when he created his projects.
But dont get carried away by it so much since the Korshak brothers, especially the younger one, were pure Outfit associates.
Funny story about the book. I was reading it in the last weeks of my marriage and anything that took my attention away from my ex wife she hated. Work, tv, computer, books , Xbox you name it if I enjoyed it she hated it and didn’t want me having anything to do with them. Anyway after we separated I was finishing the book. I get to the last 5 pages before the appendix start and she had ripped them out lol I still haven’t managed to read those 5 pages.
I get it....first rule of fight club.
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thanks man, when I have time I'll read the book and the articles