Moe Dalitz and the Cleveland Syndicate

[Villain]

I think that Dalitz was also close to Joe Kennedy during prohibition

Is there any kind of info out there on whether he ever pulled the trigger?


EDIT: In addition to the Lansky chat, the guy was often mentioned by top members of the commission so maybe he didnt reach the American dream but still he accomplished something which never ever before existed in CN circles, followed by Guzik, Alex and even maybe Dalitz

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... rdo_lansky

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

If anyone wants to read a good book about Moe Dalitz and his realationship with Cleveland they should read The Silent Syndicate by Hank Messick. A great piece of journalism and very hard to find. The copy I have was purchased through a book search years ago. It’s worth reading.

This site is the schnizzle for finding rare, out of print books.
They are connected to all the Goodwills nationwide, and 2 hand
sellers. SP
https://www.hpb.com/products?utf8=%E2%9 ... nk+Messick

[Stroccos]

I think that Dalitz was also close to Joe Kennedy during prohibition

Is there any kind of info out there on whether he ever pulled the trigger?


EDIT: In addition to the Lansky chat, the guy was often mentioned by top members of the commission so maybe he didnt reach the American dream but still he accomplished something which never ever before existed in CN circles, followed by Guzik, Alex and even maybe Dalitz

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... rdo_lansky

Don’t know allot about Lansky but you have to figure if Cuba didn’t fail he probably would of remained at the top

[JCB1977]

I think that Dalitz was also close to Joe Kennedy during prohibition

Is there any kind of info out there on whether he ever pulled the trigger?


EDIT: In addition to the Lansky chat, the guy was often mentioned by top members of the commission so maybe he didnt reach the American dream but still he accomplished something which never ever before existed in CN circles, followed by Guzik, Alex and even maybe Dalitz

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... rdo_lansky

Don’t know allot about Lansky but you have to figure if Cuba didn’t fail he probably would of remained at the top

More money to be made in Vegas. Moe did what many old timers always wanted...he went legit and was martyred!

[Villain]

I think that Dalitz was also close to Joe Kennedy during prohibition

Is there any kind of info out there on whether he ever pulled the trigger?


EDIT: In addition to the Lansky chat, the guy was often mentioned by top members of the commission so maybe he didnt reach the American dream but still he accomplished something which never ever before existed in CN circles, followed by Guzik, Alex and even maybe Dalitz

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... rdo_lansky

Don’t know allot about Lansky but you have to figure if Cuba didn’t fail he probably would of remained at the top

You are absolutely right buddy. Lansky got fucked with Cuba but I doubt that he didnt immediately or already transferred his ops in Vegas, same as the other non-Italian or Italian gangsters from that era. After Cuba there were many so-called "attacks" in different countries (Giancana, Trafficante and other fellas are good examples of that) but nothing played out like Vegas.

[DPG]

If anyone wants to read a good book about Moe Dalitz and his realationship with Cleveland they should read The Silent Syndicate by Hank Messick. A great piece of journalism and very hard to find. The copy I have was purchased through a book search years ago. It’s worth reading.

This site is the schnizzle for finding rare, out of print books.
They are connected to all the Goodwills nationwide, and 2 hand
sellers. SP
https://www.hpb.com/products?utf8=%E2%9 ... nk+Messick

I worked at a Goodwill ‘lot’ or wholesale store. Best place in the world I’ve ever seen to buy books, they charge 15 cents an inch for books. Just have to dig through bens to find the ones you want, they are the leftovers from all the stuff that didn’t sale at the retail stores. They normally have atleast one in every town where they have retail stores. There are 3 of them in St Louis and I highly recommend checking them out if there is one close by to where you live.

[Stroccos]

I think that Dalitz was also close to Joe Kennedy during prohibition

Is there any kind of info out there on whether he ever pulled the trigger?


EDIT: In addition to the Lansky chat, the guy was often mentioned by top members of the commission so maybe he didnt reach the American dream but still he accomplished something which never ever before existed in CN circles, followed by Guzik, Alex and even maybe Dalitz

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... rdo_lansky

I would guess he probably did in his younger days . I believe he was in the original purple gang in Detroit ,

he was a suspect in the morris komissarow murder in the early 1930's

[Stroccos]

In real life, Meyer was more instrumental in the Havana casinos with Traficante, Mannarino, Marcello and others. GF2 was set more In that late 50’s time period where Bautista and Castro changed power.

Yes, you're right about the 50's time period in GF2 and Havana and Lansky. I was just surprised by the power and wealth of Moe Dalitz since you always hear more about Lansky. I admit that I really don't understand these Jew Gangsters and how they were organized. Besides being a partner with the Cleveland Mafia, did Moe Dalitz have any partnerships with Lansky? Was there a Jewish national Syndicate or were the Jews simply partnered with the different Italian Groups? I don't really understand it because I hear it both ways. Seems to me that behind every Jew there was an Italian but I could be wrong?

I would venture to guess they were equal in power to the Italians at least during prohibiton
The cleveland group had four main partners Morris "Moe" daltiz , Sam "sambo" tucker , Louis "unlce louie "Rothkopf , Morris Kleinman they were eqaul partners in all there ventures ,

just off the top some of dalitzs group contacts , frank costello , peter licavoli , joe dicarolo , angelo polizzi , frank milano ,

[CabriniGreen]

@Confederate

You ever read Supermob, by Gus Russo?

[CabriniGreen]

it's kinda, about the Jewish, white collar/ legal arm of the mob in its heyday...

It's been a while since I read it...

[CabriniGreen]

Didnt Dalitz build, like, the biggest hospital in Arizona, or Vegas or something like that ?

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

Didnt Dalitz build, like, the biggest hospital in Arizona, or Vegas or something like that ?

The Sunrise Hospital.

[JCB1977]

Yes...he was one of Las Vegas’s biggest humanitarians...which pissed off the Feds in a way you couldn’t imagine.

Like Rosenthal in Casino, Moe was handed awards from some of the most prestigious organizations and legitimate businessmen. He was a true modern day Robin Hood!

[DPG]

@Confederate

You ever read Supermob, by Gus Russo?

Fairytale

[JCB1977]

Didnt Dalitz build, like, the biggest hospital in Arizona, or Vegas or something like that ?

The Sunrise Hospital.

On top of the Sunrise Hospital, Moe Dalitz also built the Las Vegas Country Club and Boulevard Mall. He also financed many home builders for private residential developments. He took over the Desert Inn in 1950 (79% ownership) and later the Stardust Resort and Casino. Moe also was partners in the Rock Island Railroad, Michigan Industrial Laundry Co., Detroit Steel Co. and founder of Dalitz Realty.