Giancana’s killer revealed?

[Snakes]

Well, Roselli was killed after his testimony, so...

[Confederate]

Well, Roselli was killed after his testimony, so...

Roselli may have been a different story than Roselli. One theory is that the Cubans killed him because he had more information that he did not disclose in his Senate Testimony about Castro's agents being involved with the Kennedy Assasination. Another Theory is of course that the Mafia killed him. The CIA probably didn't care about him in 1976. It seems they were more concerned previously with Giancana.

Again, nobody knows and we could go on for another 10 pages talking about it which I am not going to do. I can see Villain already quit talking about it. I should have listened to him.

[Frank]

It's a tough call, especially since both had past involvement with the CIA. Then they were both killed within a period of time of them either going to testify or had testified about their involvement with the CIA. But I think they were killed by Outfit on orders from Accardo. I believe there was multiple reasons each was killed and maybe testifying was one of many reasons.

[Frank]

Some of the reasons for Giancana, it could be over the casino money. Also that Aiuppa and Cerone didn't feel comfortable with him around. Maybe he had become an informer. Wasn't Roselli on shaky ground about some info he gave in the late 60s?

[Villain]

Sam was very well.protected in Mexico and the first step was to get him home where would be easier to kill.him

[Confederate]

Well, Roselli was killed after his testimony, so...

Roselli may have been a different story than Roselli. One theory is that the Cubans killed him because he had more information that he did not disclose in his Senate Testimony about Castro's agents being involved with the Kennedy Assasination. Another Theory is of course that the Mafia killed him. The CIA probably didn't care about him in 1976. It seems they were more concerned previously with Giancana.

Again, nobody knows and we could go on for another 10 pages talking about it which I am not going to do. I can see Villain already quit talking about it. I should have listened to him.

Correction only, Roselli may have been a different story than Giancana.

[Villain]

In addition to Giancana's safety during his stay in Mexico, story goes that when Cain went to prison in 1968, Sam's main protector became one of his lawyers know as Castillo who in turn also worked as Giancana’s front man and contact with local Mexican authorities and criminal gangs. One of those gangs was the so-called Savela "Cartel", which was controlled by the two brothers who came from the Culiacan area and controlled part of the border and because of that they were closely connected to many American CN members. Now I still never found any direct connection between Sam and the brothers but there are few records and testimonies which shows that Castillo was actually the one who met them, which again doesnt mean anything since it might've been regarding other bosses' interests or even possibly something about the Savelas. Now the reports are mostly regarding a new drug route which was created during that period and it doesnt mention any type of protective activity from the Savela bros over Sam's own safety, but I still personally suspect that they were responsible for his and everyone else's safety in that area to an extent.

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

In addition to Giancana's safety during his stay in Mexico, story goes that when Cain went to prison in 1968, Sam's main protector became one of his lawyers know as Castillo who in turn also worked as Giancana’s front man and contact with local Mexican authorities and criminal gangs. One of those gangs was the so-called Savela "Cartel", which was controlled by the two brothers who came from the Culiacan area and controlled part of the border and because of that they were closely connected to many American CN members. Now I still never found any direct connection between Sam and the brothers but there are few records and testimonies which shows that Castillo was actually the one who met them, which again doesnt mean anything since it might've been regarding other bosses' interests or even possibly something about the Savelas. Now the reports are mostly regarding a new drug route which was created during that period and it doesnt mention any type of protective activity from the Savela bros over Sam's own safety, but I still personally suspect that they were responsible for his and everyone else's safety in that area to an extent.

El Chapo territory. Lots of dope comes
out of those hills. Would be interesting to know
if the Chapo originated out of the same Culiacan
cartel/network.

[PaddyWhack]

Giancana obviously was killed for other reasons then Roselli. I stated earlier Roselli was shelved and burning bridges, a headache who basically had nothing on anyone in the outfit, only person of any clout that had something to worry about was Sam himself.. He had to go, and I’m sure Moe Dalitz made some phone calls after Roselli tried to extort him, stirring up shit in a town he should have avoided like the plague.
Giancana was killed because he was given immunity, and he could take down the outfit bosses easily, he obviously had to go for those reasons alone.
I like a good conspiracy as much as the next guy lol, I just don’t see it here. I also think it clouds the waters when trying to find the guilty. Sends you off chasing false leads and never closer to the truth...JMO

Always a interesting topic .

[Villain]

In addition to Giancana's safety during his stay in Mexico, story goes that when Cain went to prison in 1968, Sam's main protector became one of his lawyers know as Castillo who in turn also worked as Giancana’s front man and contact with local Mexican authorities and criminal gangs. One of those gangs was the so-called Savela "Cartel", which was controlled by the two brothers who came from the Culiacan area and controlled part of the border and because of that they were closely connected to many American CN members. Now I still never found any direct connection between Sam and the brothers but there are few records and testimonies which shows that Castillo was actually the one who met them, which again doesnt mean anything since it might've been regarding other bosses' interests or even possibly something about the Savelas. Now the reports are mostly regarding a new drug route which was created during that period and it doesnt mention any type of protective activity from the Savela bros over Sam's own safety, but I still personally suspect that they were responsible for his and everyone else's safety in that area to an extent.

El Chapo territory. Lots of dope comes
out of those hills. Would be interesting to know
if the Chapo originated out of the same Culiacan
cartel/network.

Wow thats some good info and thanks. Ill try to dig up more stuff on the Sivelas

[Villain]

Giancana obviously was killed for other reasons then Roselli. I stated earlier Roselli was shelved and burning bridges, a headache who basically had nothing on anyone in the outfit, only person of any clout that had something to worry about was Sam himself.. He had to go, and I’m sure Moe Dalitz made some phone calls after Roselli tried to extort him, stirring up shit in a town he should have avoided like the plague.
Giancana was killed because he was given immunity, and he could take down the outfit bosses easily, he obviously had to go for those reasons alone.
I like a good conspiracy as much as the next guy lol, I just don’t see it here. I also think it clouds the waters when trying to find the guilty. Sends you off chasing false leads and never closer to the truth...JMO

Always a interesting topic .

The whole Roselli/Dalitz thing was cancelled by Ricca but was backed by other members.

My point is that sometimes you have to find all the details and also history of one individual, so you can undestand the situation and then create at least a theory. We are talking about Cubans being trained or Mexican cartels being contacted...so there are a lot of situations left out there which need to be explained. For example in the old days people used to say that the Mob never had at least a little bit involvement in WWII but after watching one old ass documentary, you have people who were there admiting stuff infront of the camera but they didnt care less since the youngest one on that tape is over 85 years old lol

But as you already said its a good topic to explore and discuss

[JIGGS]

I always thought it was the "G" that killed Sam. Wasn't he supposed to testify at a Senate subcommittee? At the time there was renewed buzz over the Kennedy assassination. About it being a conspiracy. The mob was always a hot topic surrounding that shit. My theory is the same guns that ended Johnny Rosselli are who ended Sam. Accardo knew all about it because, theoretically, he was in on that Mongoose caper with Castro. There was a squad car parked in front of Sam's home each night. The evening Sam was killed, the squad car had been called away. I read that somewhere.

You can argue Outfit corruption is what made those cops sitting in a marked vehicle to drive away and open a window for the killer(s). But if the mob really hit Sam, how come the J.Edgar Hoover's never tracked down the officers doing the Giancana detail? Wouldn't that be the first place to start? Find out who was on the detail, extract from the coppers why they left, who gave the order, and on and on and on until paydirt. But the feds didn't do that. They tell the media its another unsolved gangland homocide.

It was the government IMHO. Maybe Ralph P. had been told that by Accardo (theoretically) and that's what he meant by "you wouldn't believe it." Because it was Henry Kissinger who whacked him.

JIGGS

[TommyNoto]

So in another words are you saying that Accardo and the Outfit ordered Giancana's death, but the government ordered the local LE and FBI to not pursue the case because of Sam's past involvement with the CIA and that it would become public. Ditto for Roselli.

In some words yeah but I believe that Sam would've probably talked, followed by Roselli since he possibly already opened his mouth. That would be one part of my theory regarding the case until we receive some "new" info or maybe some which we possibly missed it (not the Calabrse Jr type of info). Almost all of the Chicago guys with the CIA connections ended up dead and I dont believe often in coincidences. And I say "almost" since one or two remained alive and well

I have studied the JFK Assassination. Dozens of people that got close to , or had info on the case, ended up dead.
I do not think you are a conspiracy nut. I think you are on target. The CIA controls situations with murder. Fact.

I agree that the CIA had a hand in suppressing an investigation as it would of had agents backtracking to the cia and mafia working arrangement over Castro assassination plots , Bay of Pigs etc and god knows what else .

I’ll have to re look at who but a very senior government employee suspected Bill Harvey (staff D head and Rome COS at time of JFKA ) was possibly involved as he was retired at the time in nearby Indy. Roselli was very friendly with both Harvey and David Morales whose direct work was foreign govt over throws / regime change and foreign political assasinations, so Roselli was in very deep with these guys and I have also read that Roselli ( or Giancona - can’t remember who ) testified to HSCA and had some regrettable name drops that could also tie Traficante with certain anti Castro Cubans affiliated w the CIA .

It’s interesting as Roselli last defense of not being involved with the JFKA was JFK sent a CIA Cuban hit team to kill Castro and Castro caught and flipped them to go back on his behalf to kill JFK ( the so called Castro did it theory ) which is probably as close to these guys admitting their involvement as you will get but interesting evolution of their what happened beliefs

I too strongly believe JFK was killed by rogue CIA agents (Harvey , Morales , David Atlee Phillips and possibly James Angleton at a minimum ) in combination with anti Castro Cubans and senior CHI, FL , NO mafia figures including Roseelli , Giancanna , Trafficante , Marcelo and Ruby at a minimum )

David Morales openly admitted to killing RFK too in front of several credIble witnessed that went on record and Harvey’s wife in an interview raved about Roselli and him being a patriot and the Kennedy’s were worse then scum .

[TommyNoto]

Villain i too love researching the power elite in the 60s/70s ( which included the mafia )

A great documentary to watch is called JFK A President Betrayed which wasn’t about the JFKA but rather about the internal war JFK had with with Pentagon / CIA about the Communist issue . Morgan Freeman narrates it and it’s excellent first source history

[TommyNoto]

Giancana obviously was killed for other reasons then Roselli. I stated earlier Roselli was shelved and burning bridges, a headache who basically had nothing on anyone in the outfit, only person of any clout that had something to worry about was Sam himself.. He had to go, and I’m sure Moe Dalitz made some phone calls after Roselli tried to extort him, stirring up shit in a town he should have avoided like the plague.
Giancana was killed because he was given immunity, and he could take down the outfit bosses easily, he obviously had to go for those reasons alone.
I like a good conspiracy as much as the next guy lol, I just don’t see it here. I also think it clouds the waters when trying to find the guilty. Sends you off chasing false leads and never closer to the truth...JMO

Always a interesting topic .

The whole Roselli/Dalitz thing was cancelled by Ricca but was backed by other members.

My point is that sometimes you have to find all the details and also history of one individual, so you can undestand the situation and then create at least a theory. We are talking about Cubans being trained or Mexican cartels being contacted...so there are a lot of situations left out there which need to be explained. For example in the old days people used to say that the Mob never had at least a little bit involvement in WWII but after watching one old ass documentary, you have people who were there admiting stuff infront of the camera but they didnt care less since the youngest one on that tape is over 85 years old lol

But as you already said its a good topic to explore and discuss

From what I have read Lucky Luciano and Vito Genovese were instrumental in helpful with the WWII Sicily invasions/ landing . Once Hoover found out though he went bananas which triggered a lot of document burning .

The military planners did feel that their actions saved countless lives and their names carried an incredible amount of weight with the locals and their help .