Valachi's non-NYC membership estimates

[Lupara]

Profaci was already the Colombo boss before the war? When did he take over?

[Villain]

Profaci was already the Colombo boss before the war? When did he take over?

I just thought about the same thing....if he took over during the late 20s, then it seems that he was the boss for over three decades

[Pogo The Clown]

He took over around 1930. Joe Bonanno talks about him being the Boss when the war broke out.


Pogo

[DPG]

Profaci was already the Colombo boss before the war? When did he take over?

Two other men appear to have benefited greatly from the elimination of Yale. Anthony Carfano took charge of many of Yale's lucrative rackets.[44] And Giuseppe Profaci, who quietly led a small Mafia organization comprised of relatives and fellow immigrants from Villabate, Sicily, assumed control of Yale men and territory in southern Brooklyn. The added strength and prestige instantly made Profaci a significant player in the national Mafia network.[45]

Copied from: http://mafiahistory.us/a025/f_yale.html

Source info:
 Hunt, Thomas, "What do we know
about Frankie Yale?," The American Mafia, mafiahistory.us, accessed July 24, 2018.

Copyright © Thomas Hunt

Yale is killed July 1, 1928 and then Dec. 5th Profaci is picked up at the Hotel Statler meeting in Cleveland.

Those two things added together would lead me to believe the end of 1928 being when Profaci became boss.

[B.]

Valachi going with the Genovese may have also been an ethnic decision. Whether or not he was aware of that is unclear, but he was influenced by the advice of others to join the Genovese along with the fact that he was looking to save his own life as a former Maranzano loyalist. He was Neapolitan and the Genovese family was quickly becoming dominated by Neapolitans and Calabrians, particularly the influence of the Genovese/Strollo group that Valachi joined. Valachi was out of place in the Sicilian-centric Bonannos and to a slightly lesser extent the Gaglianos.

Also the Profaci question isn't clear... the succession of that family looks to have been Mineo>DiBella>Profaci. Magaddino mentions DiBella speaking up at an important meeting during the war and I believe CC/Antiliar theorized that DiBella took over the family when Mineo jumped over to lead the former D'Aquila family, though there isn't info on when he may have stepped down/been deposed. If he was a Mineo puppet, he may have lost his position upon Mineo's death or when Masseria lost influence/was killed. Profaci was likely a ranking member of some kind by 1928, as he attended the Cleveland meeting and brought Magliocco as an aide.

[Confederate]

Valachi going with the Genovese may have also been an ethnic decision. Whether or not he was aware of that is unclear, but he was influenced by the advice of others to join the Genovese along with the fact that he was looking to save his own life as a former Maranzano loyalist. He was Neapolitan and the Genovese family was quickly becoming dominated by Neapolitans and Calabrians, particularly the influence of the Genovese/Strollo group that Valachi joined. Valachi was out of place in the Sicilian-centric Bonannos and to a slightly lesser extent the Gaglianos.

Also the Profaci question isn't clear... the succession of that family looks to have been Mineo>DiBella>Profaci. Magaddino mentions DiBella speaking up at an important meeting during the war and I believe CC/Antiliar theorized that DiBella took over the family when Mineo jumped over to lead the former D'Aquila family, though there isn't info on when he may have stepped down/been deposed. If he was a Mineo puppet, he may have lost his position upon Mineo's death or when Masseria lost influence/was killed. Profaci was likely a ranking member of some kind by 1928, as he attended the Cleveland meeting and brought Magliocco as an aide.

Valachi joining the Genovese Family because they were being dominated by Neapolitans & Calabrians is a good point. Same reason the Outfit was aligned with the Genovese Family. Both groups much more Camorra influenced, especially the Chicago Outfit.