Relationship between Philly and Gambino’s now

[Cheech]

Buddy. No one that really bets would lay what ur saying you would lay. Fact. Anything else is a side show. Thanks for showing up today.

[Rocco]

Rocco. You don’t mind laying $110 to win $87 ?

Nope. Not all. Multiple small bets and I am good. I am low roller. El Cheapo It absolutely disgusts the heavy bettors too especially when their losses are much much greater.

[Rocco]

I never placed a bet thru Beteagle..? also I have bet into websites that I am pretty sure were not connected to LCN online that were based in Antigua. You will not be able to research indictments and articles on this one Wiseguy especially since you admitted that you never placed a bet online....

Its allot like posting articles about what a pussy feels like but admitting that you have never actually gotten your dick wet.....

I never said to take my word for it, though I don't think it's necessary to have personally placed a bet online to understand how it works when it comes to the mob. Besides, in addition to the majority of cases that seem to show it typically operates how I have described, it seems a few other guys here (who may have some personal experience) don't agree with what you're saying either.

Ive tried to convince you to no avail years ago but that guy didnt own beteagle. beteagle is up and running right now and it is also a post up shop. if the real owner got arrested you would bet your ass they would be seized. I know you go word for word in indictments and i got no beef with you but this time the wording is wrong and the guy graziano for sure doesnt and didnt own eagle...

Now that you mention that, I do remember that conversation. Maybe you're right about the ownership of the site. My purpose for posting that press release was simply to give another example of how a mob sports betting operation typically works.

in that context you are correct.
and you know just as much about sports betting as rocco, believe me.

Cheech you are completely missing the point this conversation is NOT what the odds are or the percentages are(never was) ...... its the fact that he thinks that 2.2 billion in wagers were personally met with a bookie because he read an article/indictment about gatto's sports book . So I guess the Lucchese family has 2500 fulltime Luca Brasi's on the street collecting and paying out on ALL 22billion in bets. Which is horseshit! I guess I you gamble on a off shore website based in Antigua Luci Brasi gonna come collect his $350 lol Its his inability to accept the importance of off shore websites because he didn't read somewhere that someone can actually bet online and get paid without leaving their couch.

[Cheech]

I never placed a bet thru Beteagle..? also I have bet into websites that I am pretty sure were not connected to LCN online that were based in Antigua. You will not be able to research indictments and articles on this one Wiseguy especially since you admitted that you never placed a bet online....

Its allot like posting articles about what a pussy feels like but admitting that you have never actually gotten your dick wet.....

I never said to take my word for it, though I don't think it's necessary to have personally placed a bet online to understand how it works when it comes to the mob. Besides, in addition to the majority of cases that seem to show it typically operates how I have described, it seems a few other guys here (who may have some personal experience) don't agree with what you're saying either.

Ive tried to convince you to no avail years ago but that guy didnt own beteagle. beteagle is up and running right now and it is also a post up shop. if the real owner got arrested you would bet your ass they would be seized. I know you go word for word in indictments and i got no beef with you but this time the wording is wrong and the guy graziano for sure doesnt and didnt own eagle...

Now that you mention that, I do remember that conversation. Maybe you're right about the ownership of the site. My purpose for posting that press release was simply to give another example of how a mob sports betting operation typically works.

in that context you are correct.
and you know just as much about sports betting as rocco, believe me.

Its not about "Sports Betting" or what the odds are or he percentages..you are missing the point.... its the fact that he thinks that 2.2 billion in wagers were personally met up with a bookie. I guess the Lucchese family has 2500 fulltime Luca Brasi's on the street collecting and paying out ! lol That's complete horseshit !

You’re so clueless. Ive already addresses this in a previous post. Yes 99% get met up by a person. Those people are called agents and sub agents. They work off a fifty or quarter sheet. 20/30 sub agents 50 guys each. Thats 1500 players. Did you even read the indictment? First 30 pages. He connects w the kid from philly. Says ill send a rumner down twice a month. Not sending money to costa rica.

Listen. Advice. Just be yourself. You dont have to know everything. Try this next time

“Hey Ive been betting small on these sites for years for fun. If it was legal i would lay 23-10 caue I play small and for fun to watch the games for a few hours. But truth be told i dont really know the inner workings of a book.”

Instead you have to play it like you have a clue. You clearly shown you do not.

Thanks for playing. You lose sir.

[Cheech]

Most of me and my friends bet small.. On one game I will place may 3 small bets $20 on the spread. $10-20 on two other types of bets. And I transfer or charge the money per game. Its extremely rare where I will leave even $100 in the account because as you stated what if the site is shut down? Your articles says that a small time bet is $500. lol That is completely false. The way me and my friends bet ...that's a large bet ! Remember that article is LE influenced to demonizing gambling. The only people I know that are meeting up with bookies are people making $500 bets and up...BECAUSE they are large bets. I know people that bet $1200 on a game. And their bets on that one game total $1200 as they bet several different ways on that one game. They meet up at the local bar once a week with their bookie. Or the bookie comes right to their corporate office if they bet heavy are on a steady customer. If you take the 2.2billion book over 15months(and I think the feds really stretched that number) I would bet money($15 ) that a good chunk of those bets were small time under a couple hundred dollars. The great thing about these Website is that you can really bet on almost ANY aspect of the game. Not just the spread. That's why so many people make small time bets that might total $80-100 on that one game. When I worked in NYC at an unnamed company . About 50% of the people playing the office Football Pool were betting on games on these off shore websites. Not one of them probably ever even saw a bookie once. Football parties you got 12 guys making small bets onlines. Betting on all aspects of the game. Small bets $15 here . $25 here. Nothing crazy. When the mob started doing these websites It really increased there income when it comes sports gambling. So if you got 1200 guys betting a total $80 twice a week that's $192k in wagers for the week. Then add in all the degenerate gamblers that will gamble away their own mother. Its adds up.
And again I am really unsure of the point you are trying to make by posting all these articles. ??

Is your point that every better must meet with a bookie because they are afraid of the IRS? Or they are afraid of losing $100 online so they take the risk of meeting with a bookie who could be under investigation? Is that you point here? If so ...its not true. and these articles are false when they say a small time bet is $500. That's a big bet for a normal better. So that statement is false. I might bet $100 on the super bowl or play off game. And that's a big bet for me and guys I know who bet for FUN to bet a total of $100 on one game. I get every football season and I haven't had to physically see a bookie in 10yrs ! And what if by some long shot that the LE takes down the site and decides to spend the man hours tracking down every 1200 guys who made $80 bets per game over a 3 month period...6 games that is 480 in bets. say I won a total of $300 in those bets. Am I really gonna sweat paying the IRS on $300 in winnings ? get the fuck ata here !

The article said $500 could be a settle up number for smaller bettors. Not that they're making $500 bets.

I agree that the mob will still have the degenerate gambler who are in the hole and need to bet on credit thru a loan. But these are guys that don't have the cash or cant get a credit card because they already maxed theirs out gambling. Yes the mob will have these guys. But for the thousands of normal bettors that bet for fun like me...if there is a website I can bet into legally in NJ ...hell yes I am going to do that over the illegal website. Why not? What do I have to gain by betting illegally? The mob surely fee the pain from legal sport betting but it wont put them out of business completely. I think they def end up giving juice loans to the degenerate gamblers so they can go bet legally. I have known plenty of guys over the years with serious gambling problems that DO NOT bet on sport but only in the casino's. Mob guys extend credit to these guys as well. So I think it will hurt their sports book but probably not their Loan sharking rackets. Mob still has plenty of floating mini casino's in north jersey with a 40k bank for loans. They still exist even though you have a Casino in Bethlehem PA and Atlantic City. Guys still go to these and play poker on credit. But prior to AC opening in the 1970s these floating casino were much much bigger. What happened was people that do not have serious gambling problems stopped going to them. They went to a legal casino because they do not need to bet on credit thru a mob loan. I think the same thing will happen with sports gambling being legalized if they can get a website up legally. The website if key. People like to bet on sports from their couches. They do not want to drive to a casino to do it. that is key

If New Jersey bettors want to bet legally from their couch, whenever that becomes available, it will be a 13% tax on their winnings.

I don't mind paying 13% if I can bet legally. And most small time bettors wont mind either I would imagine if we can do it on a website from our couch watching the game. Me and most of my buddies probably wouldn't bet during Hoops season and football season if we couldn't do it on a website from our couch. But from the what they have in mind on Legal Sports betting it doesn't look like it will be done online but rather at the track or casino's which means Mob backed Websites will still get action. And a big chunk of that action is small time bettors. The idea that the couple Sports Book the Luchese's ran back in 2007 that took in 2.2bil in action over 15mos had each bettor meeting up with a bookie to settle up in person is incredibly false ! They would need a fuckin ARMY of guys to settle with thousands of bettors every week. I believe if you read the indictment they stated that they were wiring money to/ and from Costa Rica so they could settle winnings online for bettors as well as in person etc. Think about how many guys they would need on the street nationwide to settle with all the bettors that would take to add up to 2.2billion dollars in wagers in 15months. Its impossible. You had a massive amount of small time bettors from College Students to guys like me betting $20 here and from all over not just NJ, PA and NY. The Website's were created to increase the amount of bets they could take. That's the whole purpose of the website for people from across the country to bet into it if need be. I totally agree that they might collect large bets in person or large payouts in person. But I know for a fact you can roll your small winnings online or collect them back. That's what is great about the websites. And I hope the State of NJ catches on to that. It would greatly increase their revenue

If you are settling online why send it to Costa Rica. Its a hassle to get the money there in first place then they have to send the money back to the US to play the player. its one step you dont need. they were sending money down there to pay for the site. its not peanuts. the cost for that many players is $3-$5 a week for each player. times that by a 1,000 players. thats what you owe the hosting site every week. how are you sending that down there without a trace? then sending it back to the us without a trace. they have agents/sub agents and runners. sure they may paypal some kid in chicago or make him buy something that doesnt exist on but for the most part its all cash, kid.

please Rocc, you dont seem like a bad guy. sit down on this one. pretend you stole fizzy lifting drinks and wonka finds out. if you take it on the chin and admit youre just guessing and were wrong you just may get a prize later.

[Rocco]

I never placed a bet thru Beteagle..? also I have bet into websites that I am pretty sure were not connected to LCN online that were based in Antigua. You will not be able to research indictments and articles on this one Wiseguy especially since you admitted that you never placed a bet online....

Its allot like posting articles about what a pussy feels like but admitting that you have never actually gotten your dick wet.....

I never said to take my word for it, though I don't think it's necessary to have personally placed a bet online to understand how it works when it comes to the mob. Besides, in addition to the majority of cases that seem to show it typically operates how I have described, it seems a few other guys here (who may have some personal experience) don't agree with what you're saying either.

Ive tried to convince you to no avail years ago but that guy didnt own beteagle. beteagle is up and running right now and it is also a post up shop. if the real owner got arrested you would bet your ass they would be seized. I know you go word for word in indictments and i got no beef with you but this time the wording is wrong and the guy graziano for sure doesnt and didnt own eagle...

Now that you mention that, I do remember that conversation. Maybe you're right about the ownership of the site. My purpose for posting that press release was simply to give another example of how a mob sports betting operation typically works.

in that context you are correct.
and you know just as much about sports betting as rocco, believe me.

Its not about "Sports Betting" or what the odds are or he percentages..you are missing the point.... its the fact that he thinks that 2.2 billion in wagers were personally met up with a bookie. I guess the Lucchese family has 2500 fulltime Luca Brasi's on the street collecting and paying out ! lol That's complete horseshit !

You’re so clueless. Ive already addresses this in a previous post. Yes 99% get met up by a person. Those people are called agents and sub agents. They work off a fifty or quarter sheet. 20/30 sub agents 50 guys each. Thats 1500 players. Did you even read the indictment? First 30 pages. He connects w the kid from philly. Says ill send a rumner down twice a month. Not sending money to costa rica.

Listen. Advice. Just be yourself. You dont have to know everything. Try this next time

“Hey Ive been betting small on these sites for years for fun. If it was legal i would lay 23-10 caue I play small and for fun to watch the games for a few hours. But truth be told i dont really know the inner workings of a book.”

Instead you have to play it like you have a clue. You clearly shown you do not.

Thanks for playing. You lose sir.

Hey Little Carmine from around the way... thanks for the insider tips on how to talk like a real wiseguy it was very educational. BUT 1500 doesn't add up to $2.2billion also I never claimed to know the inner workings of a book I said I have bet online. That was you.. I sensed some showboating wiseguy talk was gonna come from you when you first jumped in. I feel like I am reading an unredacted script for Donnie Brasco... Now that we got how to run a sports book from you can we get some tips on where to hide a body? Use Lime? chop it up or just bury it? Please elaborate. Please include the proper lingo so it sounds authentic ..go

[Snakes]

Alright, you've both said your piece. Let's get back to Philly/Gambino talk.

[Rocco]

Most of me and my friends bet small.. On one game I will place may 3 small bets $20 on the spread. $10-20 on two other types of bets. And I transfer or charge the money per game. Its extremely rare where I will leave even $100 in the account because as you stated what if the site is shut down? Your articles says that a small time bet is $500. lol That is completely false. The way me and my friends bet ...that's a large bet ! Remember that article is LE influenced to demonizing gambling. The only people I know that are meeting up with bookies are people making $500 bets and up...BECAUSE they are large bets. I know people that bet $1200 on a game. And their bets on that one game total $1200 as they bet several different ways on that one game. They meet up at the local bar once a week with their bookie. Or the bookie comes right to their corporate office if they bet heavy are on a steady customer. If you take the 2.2billion book over 15months(and I think the feds really stretched that number) I would bet money($15 ) that a good chunk of those bets were small time under a couple hundred dollars. The great thing about these Website is that you can really bet on almost ANY aspect of the game. Not just the spread. That's why so many people make small time bets that might total $80-100 on that one game. When I worked in NYC at an unnamed company . About 50% of the people playing the office Football Pool were betting on games on these off shore websites. Not one of them probably ever even saw a bookie once. Football parties you got 12 guys making small bets onlines. Betting on all aspects of the game. Small bets $15 here . $25 here. Nothing crazy. When the mob started doing these websites It really increased there income when it comes sports gambling. So if you got 1200 guys betting a total $80 twice a week that's $192k in wagers for the week. Then add in all the degenerate gamblers that will gamble away their own mother. Its adds up.
And again I am really unsure of the point you are trying to make by posting all these articles. ??

Is your point that every better must meet with a bookie because they are afraid of the IRS? Or they are afraid of losing $100 online so they take the risk of meeting with a bookie who could be under investigation? Is that you point here? If so ...its not true. and these articles are false when they say a small time bet is $500. That's a big bet for a normal better. So that statement is false. I might bet $100 on the super bowl or play off game. And that's a big bet for me and guys I know who bet for FUN to bet a total of $100 on one game. I get every football season and I haven't had to physically see a bookie in 10yrs ! And what if by some long shot that the LE takes down the site and decides to spend the man hours tracking down every 1200 guys who made $80 bets per game over a 3 month period...6 games that is 480 in bets. say I won a total of $300 in those bets. Am I really gonna sweat paying the IRS on $300 in winnings ? get the fuck ata here !

The article said $500 could be a settle up number for smaller bettors. Not that they're making $500 bets.

I agree that the mob will still have the degenerate gambler who are in the hole and need to bet on credit thru a loan. But these are guys that don't have the cash or cant get a credit card because they already maxed theirs out gambling. Yes the mob will have these guys. But for the thousands of normal bettors that bet for fun like me...if there is a website I can bet into legally in NJ ...hell yes I am going to do that over the illegal website. Why not? What do I have to gain by betting illegally? The mob surely fee the pain from legal sport betting but it wont put them out of business completely. I think they def end up giving juice loans to the degenerate gamblers so they can go bet legally. I have known plenty of guys over the years with serious gambling problems that DO NOT bet on sport but only in the casino's. Mob guys extend credit to these guys as well. So I think it will hurt their sports book but probably not their Loan sharking rackets. Mob still has plenty of floating mini casino's in north jersey with a 40k bank for loans. They still exist even though you have a Casino in Bethlehem PA and Atlantic City. Guys still go to these and play poker on credit. But prior to AC opening in the 1970s these floating casino were much much bigger. What happened was people that do not have serious gambling problems stopped going to them. They went to a legal casino because they do not need to bet on credit thru a mob loan. I think the same thing will happen with sports gambling being legalized if they can get a website up legally. The website if key. People like to bet on sports from their couches. They do not want to drive to a casino to do it. that is key

If New Jersey bettors want to bet legally from their couch, whenever that becomes available, it will be a 13% tax on their winnings.

I don't mind paying 13% if I can bet legally. And most small time bettors wont mind either I would imagine if we can do it on a website from our couch watching the game. Me and most of my buddies probably wouldn't bet during Hoops season and football season if we couldn't do it on a website from our couch. But from the what they have in mind on Legal Sports betting it doesn't look like it will be done online but rather at the track or casino's which means Mob backed Websites will still get action. And a big chunk of that action is small time bettors. The idea that the couple Sports Book the Luchese's ran back in 2007 that took in 2.2bil in action over 15mos had each bettor meeting up with a bookie to settle up in person is incredibly false ! They would need a fuckin ARMY of guys to settle with thousands of bettors every week. I believe if you read the indictment they stated that they were wiring money to/ and from Costa Rica so they could settle winnings online for bettors as well as in person etc. Think about how many guys they would need on the street nationwide to settle with all the bettors that would take to add up to 2.2billion dollars in wagers in 15months. Its impossible. You had a massive amount of small time bettors from College Students to guys like me betting $20 here and from all over not just NJ, PA and NY. The Website's were created to increase the amount of bets they could take. That's the whole purpose of the website for people from across the country to bet into it if need be. I totally agree that they might collect large bets in person or large payouts in person. But I know for a fact you can roll your small winnings online or collect them back. That's what is great about the websites. And I hope the State of NJ catches on to that. It would greatly increase their revenue

If you are settling online why send it to Costa Rica. Its a hassle to get the money there in first place then they have to send the money back to the US to play the player. its one step you dont need. they were sending money down there to pay for the site. its not peanuts. the cost for that many players is $3-$5 a week for each player. times that by a 1,000 players. thats what you owe the hosting site every week. how are you sending that down there without a trace? then sending it back to the us without a trace. they have agents/sub agents and runners. sure they may paypal some kid in chicago or make him buy something that doesnt exist on but for the most part its all cash, kid.

please Rocc, you dont seem like a bad guy. sit down on this one. pretend you stole fizzy lifting drinks and wonka finds out. if you take it on the chin and admit youre just guessing and were wrong you just may get a prize later.

I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THEY COLLECTED AND PAID OUT $ 2.2BILLION IN PERSON. EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is all good night

[Cheech]

you know that was the total amount wagered, right? so if i bet $1000 total i could have won $500 and lost $500 and no one would have met at all. keep pretending you know what you're talking about and ill keep knowing what Im talking about. nice all caps. sure it made you feel strong

[Cheech]

I never placed a bet thru Beteagle..? also I have bet into websites that I am pretty sure were not connected to LCN online that were based in Antigua. You will not be able to research indictments and articles on this one Wiseguy especially since you admitted that you never placed a bet online....

Its allot like posting articles about what a pussy feels like but admitting that you have never actually gotten your dick wet.....

I never said to take my word for it, though I don't think it's necessary to have personally placed a bet online to understand how it works when it comes to the mob. Besides, in addition to the majority of cases that seem to show it typically operates how I have described, it seems a few other guys here (who may have some personal experience) don't agree with what you're saying either.

Ive tried to convince you to no avail years ago but that guy didnt own beteagle. beteagle is up and running right now and it is also a post up shop. if the real owner got arrested you would bet your ass they would be seized. I know you go word for word in indictments and i got no beef with you but this time the wording is wrong and the guy graziano for sure doesnt and didnt own eagle...

Now that you mention that, I do remember that conversation. Maybe you're right about the ownership of the site. My purpose for posting that press release was simply to give another example of how a mob sports betting operation typically works.

in that context you are correct.
and you know just as much about sports betting as rocco, believe me.

Its not about "Sports Betting" or what the odds are or he percentages..you are missing the point.... its the fact that he thinks that 2.2 billion in wagers were personally met up with a bookie. I guess the Lucchese family has 2500 fulltime Luca Brasi's on the street collecting and paying out ! lol That's complete horseshit !

You’re so clueless. Ive already addresses this in a previous post. Yes 99% get met up by a person. Those people are called agents and sub agents. They work off a fifty or quarter sheet. 20/30 sub agents 50 guys each. Thats 1500 players. Did you even read the indictment? First 30 pages. He connects w the kid from philly. Says ill send a rumner down twice a month. Not sending money to costa rica.

Listen. Advice. Just be yourself. You dont have to know everything. Try this next time

“Hey Ive been betting small on these sites for years for fun. If it was legal i would lay 23-10 caue I play small and for fun to watch the games for a few hours. But truth be told i dont really know the inner workings of a book.”

Instead you have to play it like you have a clue. You clearly shown you do not.

Thanks for playing. You lose sir.

Hey Little Carmine from around the way... thanks for the insider tips on how to talk like a real wiseguy it was very educational. BUT 1500 doesn't add up to $2.2billion also I never claimed to know the inner workings of a book I said I have bet online. That was you.. I sensed some showboating wiseguy talk was gonna come from you when you first jumped in. I feel like I am reading an unredacted script for Donnie Brasco... Now that we got how to run a sports book from you can we get some tips on where to hide a body? Use Lime? chop it up or just bury it? Please elaborate. Please include the proper lingo so it sounds authentic ..go

you can keep being sarcastic and deviate from the fact that you are wrong.

[Cheech]

Alright, you've both said your piece. Let's get back to Philly/Gambino talk.

Snakes, youre my guy. got no beef. I won't post about no more about.

[Fughedaboutit]

Alright, you've both said your piece. Let's get back to Philly/Gambino talk.

Don't you mean...

"That is it! 14 day ban for flaming (like my asshole)...next time I hear this kind of talk you are both gone for good! - (Mods from pathetic mob website)

[Buster123]

What I’m saying is why would I pay more? I have $1000 settling figure & I bet $100-$200 a few games a week, have to see my guy maybe 6x a year...it’s like I’m paying $150 for my cable bill & wouldn’t mind paying $170, what would be the reason I would do that for the same service?

[Rocco]

I never placed a bet thru Beteagle..? also I have bet into websites that I am pretty sure were not connected to LCN online that were based in Antigua. You will not be able to research indictments and articles on this one Wiseguy especially since you admitted that you never placed a bet online....

Its allot like posting articles about what a pussy feels like but admitting that you have never actually gotten your dick wet.....

I never said to take my word for it, though I don't think it's necessary to have personally placed a bet online to understand how it works when it comes to the mob. Besides, in addition to the majority of cases that seem to show it typically operates how I have described, it seems a few other guys here (who may have some personal experience) don't agree with what you're saying either.

Ive tried to convince you to no avail years ago but that guy didnt own beteagle. beteagle is up and running right now and it is also a post up shop. if the real owner got arrested you would bet your ass they would be seized. I know you go word for word in indictments and i got no beef with you but this time the wording is wrong and the guy graziano for sure doesnt and didnt own eagle...

Now that you mention that, I do remember that conversation. Maybe you're right about the ownership of the site. My purpose for posting that press release was simply to give another example of how a mob sports betting operation typically works.

in that context you are correct.
and you know just as much about sports betting as rocco, believe me.

Its not about "Sports Betting" or what the odds are or he percentages..you are missing the point.... its the fact that he thinks that 2.2 billion in wagers were personally met up with a bookie. I guess the Lucchese family has 2500 fulltime Luca Brasi's on the street collecting and paying out ! lol That's complete horseshit !

You’re so clueless. Ive already addresses this in a previous post. Yes 99% get met up by a person. Those people are called agents and sub agents. They work off a fifty or quarter sheet. 20/30 sub agents 50 guys each. Thats 1500 players. Did you even read the indictment? First 30 pages. He connects w the kid from philly. Says ill send a rumner down twice a month. Not sending money to costa rica.

Listen. Advice. Just be yourself. You dont have to know everything. Try this next time

“Hey Ive been betting small on these sites for years for fun. If it was legal i would lay 23-10 caue I play small and for fun to watch the games for a few hours. But truth be told i dont really know the inner workings of a book.”

Instead you have to play it like you have a clue. You clearly shown you do not.

Thanks for playing. You lose sir.

Hey Little Carmine from around the way... thanks for the insider tips on how to talk like a real wiseguy it was very educational. BUT 1500 doesn't add up to $2.2billion also I never claimed to know the inner workings of a book I said I have bet online. That was you.. I sensed some showboating wiseguy talk was gonna come from you when you first jumped in. I feel like I am reading an unredacted script for Donnie Brasco... Now that we got how to run a sports book from you can we get some tips on where to hide a body? Use Lime? chop it up or just bury it? Please elaborate. Please include the proper lingo so it sounds authentic ..go

you can keep being sarcastic and deviate from the fact that you are wrong.

For the record I will do and say ANYTHING I can to get Wiseguy to believe something that he cant find in an article or indictment ! ANYTHING! It absolutely pains me that he refuses to do so ! EVEN if I was wrong! The best thing you could have done for Wiseguys sake was went along with it god damn it !! There are no winners here !

[Cheech]

What I’m saying is why would I pay more? I have $1000 settling figure & I bet $100-$200 a few games a week, have to see my guy maybe 6x a year...it’s like I’m paying $150 for my cable bill & wouldn’t mind paying $170, what would be the reason I would do that for the same service?

You wouldnt.