Genovese Family Administration

[Frank]

I think some of the trouble with the info about acting bosses is that some of these guys might have been members of the ruling panel, and not acting boss. But to LE they are considered a form of acting boss. Also DeLuca was reported as acting boss in this time period.

[Wiseguy]

I think some of the trouble with the info about acting bosses is that some of these guys might have been members of the ruling panel, and not acting boss. But to LE they are considered a form of acting boss. Also DeLuca was reported as acting boss in this time period.

Garcia identified DeLuca as the acting boss but I don't remember him specifying when that was during his undercover work from December 2002 to March 2005.

However, considering Capeci reported Cirillo, Dentico, and Gigante to be on a panel in January 2005 and Cirillo being indicted as the acting boss in April 2005, it was likely before that year.

Muscarella was indicted as acting boss in January 2002. And an FBI report said Nigro was acting boss in November 2003, having succeeded Muscarella on the panel when he went to prison. It's not clear if Nigro was made acting boss immediately when he joined the panel or it was later. So DeLuca could have been the acting boss at some point between January 2002 and November 2003 or November 2003 and January 2005.

It's obvious at least some of the time there was a ruling panel and an acting boss at the same time. In fact, it appears the acting boss typically came from the ruling panel. While anyone on the panel could be seen as an acting boss, in a sense, it appears there was one from among that rotating group who would be made the acting boss. As I said before, it may have been a case of the panel setting policy and making major decisions while one of them (the acting boss) ran the day to day.

[Frank]

I think some of the trouble with the info about acting bosses is that some of these guys might have been members of the ruling panel, and not acting boss. But to LE they are considered a form of acting boss. Also DeLuca was reported as acting boss in this time period.

Garcia identified DeLuca as the acting boss but I don't remember him specifying when that was during his undercover work from December 2002 to March 2005.

However, considering Capeci reported Cirillo, Dentico, and Gigante to be on a panel in January 2005 and Cirillo being indicted as the acting boss in April 2005, it was likely before that year.

Muscarella was indicted as acting boss in January 2002. And an FBI report said Nigro was acting boss in November 2003, having succeeded Muscarella on the panel when he went to prison. It's not clear if Nigro was made acting boss immediately when he joined the panel or it was later. So DeLuca could have been the acting boss at some point between January 2002 and November 2003 or November 2003 and January 2005.

It's obvious at least some of the time there was a ruling panel and an acting boss at the same time. In fact, it appears the acting boss typically came from the ruling panel. While anyone on the panel could be seen as an acting boss, in a sense, it appears there was one from among that rotating group who would be made the acting boss. As I said before, it may have been a case of the panel setting policy and making major decisions while one of them (the acting boss) ran the day to day.

Thanks and yes I agree with what you say. It appears there was an acting boss and a ruling panel at the same time between the late nineties to the Cirillo arrest/indictment. There has been no mention of one during Leo's acting boss period. Just after he was indicted.

[Frank]

I think some of the trouble with the info about acting bosses is that some of these guys might have been members of the ruling panel, and not acting boss. But to LE they are considered a form of acting boss. Also DeLuca was reported as acting boss in this time period.

Garcia identified DeLuca as the acting boss but I don't remember him specifying when that was during his undercover work from December 2002 to March 2005.

However, considering Capeci reported Cirillo, Dentico, and Gigante to be on a panel in January 2005 and Cirillo being indicted as the acting boss in April 2005, it was likely before that year.

Muscarella was indicted as acting boss in January 2002. And an FBI report said Nigro was acting boss in November 2003, having succeeded Muscarella on the panel when he went to prison. It's not clear if Nigro was made acting boss immediately when he joined the panel or it was later. So DeLuca could have been the acting boss at some point between January 2002 and November 2003 or November 2003 and January 2005.

It's obvious at least some of the time there was a ruling panel and an acting boss at the same time. In fact, it appears the acting boss typically came from the ruling panel. While anyone on the panel could be seen as an acting boss, in a sense, it appears there was one from among that rotating group who would be made the acting boss. As I said before, it may have been a case of the panel setting policy and making major decisions while one of them (the acting boss) ran the day to day.

Also with Bologna stating that Mario Gigante was acting underboss for Leo, is it that we need more confirming information before it is accepted?? Lol it's like we are right back at where we started from.

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

I think some of the trouble with the info about acting bosses is that some of these guys might have been members of the ruling panel, and not acting boss. But to LE they are considered a form of acting boss. Also DeLuca was reported as acting boss in this time period.

Garcia identified DeLuca as the acting boss but I don't remember him specifying when that was during his undercover work from December 2002 to March 2005.

However, considering Capeci reported Cirillo, Dentico, and Gigante to be on a panel in January 2005 and Cirillo being indicted as the acting boss in April 2005, it was likely before that year.

Muscarella was indicted as acting boss in January 2002. And an FBI report said Nigro was acting boss in November 2003, having succeeded Muscarella on the panel when he went to prison. It's not clear if Nigro was made acting boss immediately when he joined the panel or it was later. So DeLuca could have been the acting boss at some point between January 2002 and November 2003 or November 2003 and January 2005.

It's obvious at least some of the time there was a ruling panel and an acting boss at the same time. In fact, it appears the acting boss typically came from the ruling panel. While anyone on the panel could be seen as an acting boss, in a sense, it appears there was one from among that rotating group who would be made the acting boss. As I said before, it may have been a case of the panel setting policy and making major decisions while one of them (the acting boss) ran the day to day.

WG, which DeLuca? What's his first name, and with the Genovese? Thanks, SP

[SonnyBlackstein]

Pasquale

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

Pasquale

Scop DeLuca. 10/4

[Villain]

I don't know for sure but it does ring a bell with me. I can t say if i read it on one of these forums (somebody posting it) or if I read it in a FBI file.

I accidentally stumbled upon it again and I remembered on our convo regarding Ricca and Mario Gigante... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 0chauffeur

[HairyKnuckles]

I don't know for sure but it does ring a bell with me. I can t say if i read it on one of these forums (somebody posting it) or if I read it in a FBI file.

I accidentally stumbled upon it again and I remembered on our convo regarding Ricca and Mario Gigante... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 0chauffeur

Good find! I know that I have seen it before but I did not know where. I have more than a dozen of FBI files so it´s very hard to go back and find some particular info. I wish I had a search function I could use. So, it turns out they were in laws!

[Villain]

I don't know for sure but it does ring a bell with me. I can t say if i read it on one of these forums (somebody posting it) or if I read it in a FBI file.

I accidentally stumbled upon it again and I remembered on our convo regarding Ricca and Mario Gigante... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 0chauffeur

Good find! I know that I have seen it before but I did not know where. I have more than a dozen of FBI files so it´s very hard to go back and find some particular info. I wish I had a search function I could use. So, it turns out they were in laws!

Yup, it seems they were

[Charlie]

Yes so do you think Fiumara was a member of the ruling panel that was either misidentified as 3 or added members as they were released or off of supervised release. I ask because from what I remember back the didn't those 2 different reports of a 3 man ruling panel and the rotating panel came out only months apart.

The first one was a June 2009 New York Daily News article identifies that mentioned Benny Mangano, Ernie Muscarella, Barney Bellomo, and Larry Dentico being on a "rotating panel" of recently released senior members running the family. They didnt say they were all then on the panel or had been at the same time, necessarily.

The second one was a September 2009 New York Times article that said Tino Fiumara was on a "three man panel" running the family. I can only assume the rotating had continued, as it had over the past 20+ years, and Fiumara became a part of it at some point. Other than identifying guys who have been on the ruling panel, we never saw a specific number that made up the panel before the article about Fiumara. But that doesn't mean 3 was always the number.

To confuse things a little bit more, let me add that in 2006 the FBI carried Rudolph Santobello as "a member of the administration" ...and since they didn't say "member of a rotating panel" or something to that effect it could indicate he was underboss or consigliere (or acting)...

[Pogo The Clown]

To possibly confuse things even more the Genovese referred to their ruling pannel as the administration.


Pogo

[Frank]

To possibly confuse things even more the Genovese referred to their ruling pannel as the administration.


Pogo

No actually you are not confusing anything. It's keeping it real. It's not surprising that new names became panel members, since most of the panel got indicted and sentenced to prison the year before. Maybe this information, if found reliable, is a start.

[Snakes]

I don't know for sure but it does ring a bell with me. I can t say if i read it on one of these forums (somebody posting it) or if I read it in a FBI file.

I accidentally stumbled upon it again and I remembered on our convo regarding Ricca and Mario Gigante... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 0chauffeur

Good find! I know that I have seen it before but I did not know where. I have more than a dozen of FBI files so it´s very hard to go back and find some particular info. I wish I had a search function I could use. So, it turns out they were in laws!

Different Mario Gigante.

[Cheech]

found this in my files, thought it was relevant