Bonanno late 70s admin

[JeremyTheJew]

After marangello was demoted did massino step in?

What about ferrugia and/or catalano??

Both were said to be acting boss and also head of the zips and UB

[Pogo The Clown]

There was no UnderBoss from 1979 until 1984 when Massino was promoted.


Pogo

[JeremyTheJew]

isn't that a long time?? and Rastelli was in prison also?

is that why guys like Sally fruits and Catalano became "acting admins" bc there wasn't any one official around??

do you believe the hype about sonny black being possible street boss??

[newera_212]

isn't that a long time?? and Rastelli was in prison also?

is that why guys like Sally fruits and Catalano became "acting admins" bc there wasn't any one official around??

do you believe the hype about sonny black being possible street boss??

yeah it seems like an abnormally long time for an admin seat to be fully vacant. especially for that time period where, compared to today, admins were more or less straightforward with the basic 3 spots not only filled but generally filled with guys on the street

that was a pretty turbulant time for the bonannos though. now that I think about it, prior to Massino coming out of jail and fully taking over in...1991 I believe (??? - could be a little off) the Bonnanos had the most instable, turbulant track record out of all of the families. kind of a clusterfuck from Joe Bonanno's retirement up until the start of Massino's official tenure. Massino really got those guys in shape

re: Sonny Black being Street Boss. Sonny Black ran what had to be the family's biggest crew. i cant see any crew being bigger at that time not only in the bonannos but maybe even other families. that crew was MASSIVE. and IIRC he was close to Rastelli too. so there was legit concern from Massino that he could have taken the top spot

also IIRC at some trial after he flipped, Massino said that Sonny Black was killed as a power move, NOT solely because of Brasco. Brasco was a convenient excuse. so make of that what you will

[Pogo The Clown]

Towards the end Napolitano started reducing the size of his crew by distributing his Soldiers to other Crews because he was focusing his efforts on Florida. According to what Lefty told Pistone, Napolitano was also pushing to be named Consiglieri. Never seen anything about him being Street Boss but he was one of top guy's on the street (along with Massino, Canone and Ferrugia) at the time of his death.


Pogo

[newera_212]

Towards the end Napolitano started reducing the size of his crew by distributing his Soldiers to other Crews because he was focusing his efforts on Florida. According to what Lefty told Pistone, Napolitano was also pushing to be named Consiglieri. Never seen anything about him being Street Boss but he was one of top guy's on the street (along with Massino, Canone and Ferrugia) at the time of his death.


Pogo

thats interesting about him pushing for Consig. only because, wasnt Cannone the official Consig during this same time? besides him being from the LES (knick village i think?) I dont know much about Cannone. not a lot of info on him out there. i do know he died after Napolitano and was a part of the Napolitano hit in some capacity, I think he helped remove the body after the hit, did Napolitano have a beef - no pun intended - with Cannone and try to get him pulled down as consig?

out of all the LCN books ive read, and read countless JD posts on the Bonnanos on the RD ... ive never actually read Pistone's book. i should get around to doing that

[JeremyTheJew]

Towards the end Napolitano started reducing the size of his crew by distributing his Soldiers to other Crews because he was focusing his efforts on Florida. According to what Lefty told Pistone, Napolitano was also pushing to be named Consiglieri. Never seen anything about him being Street Boss but he was one of top guy's on the street (along with Massino, Canone and Ferrugia) at the time of his death.


Pogo

thats interesting about him pushing for Consig. only because, wasnt Cannone the official Consig during this same time? besides him being from the LES (knick village i think?) I dont know much about Cannone. not a lot of info on him out there. i do know he died after Napolitano and was a part of the Napolitano hit in some capacity, I think he helped remove the body after the hit, did Napolitano have a beef - no pun intended - with Cannone and try to get him pulled down as consig?

out of all the LCN books ive read, and read countless JD posts on the Bonnanos on the RD ... ive never actually read Pistone's book. i should get around to doing that

wow... thats one of the top books in my opinion. showed he actually got much closer to sonny black and started separating himself from lefty. and the sequel Unfinished Business I thought was pretty good. except after half way thru when he tells all major events up to massino.... well helikes to say that it's bc of HIM the pizza, commision case, shit somehow Colombo war was all bc of HIM

[SonnyBlackstein]

In Brasco the book, from memory, Lefty at one point was serving as acting Capo of SB's crew whilst SB was street for Rastelli.

And these are the facts for anyone with logic and rationale:
a) Massino killed Mirra for introducing Pistone
and
b) Massino killed SB for introducing Pistone and to eliminate his rival in taking over the family.

What Massino stated about SB being hit for a power play is BULLSHIT.

This is what you HAVE to believe if you believe that:
1) That SB wasn't hit for introducing a FEDERAL AGENT, TO BE PROPOSED FOR MEMBERSHIP, into a family, in the early 1980's.
2) That AFTER introducing an FBI agent into the family, SB would make a POWER PLAY FOR BOSS.
3) That Tony Mirra who INTRODUCED PISTONE TO THE BONANNOS was hit AT THE SAME TIME, for UNRELATED reasons.
4) That The FEDERALLY DISCLOSED hit on LEFTY at THE SAME TIME as the Pistone revelation WAS ALSO UNRELATED.
5) That SB, whilst making a powerplay in the family, would attend a sitdown with his enemies, after transferring his rings and personals off himself, would attend a sitdown, ALONE, walk DOWN STAIRS with other 'enemy soldiers' behind him, TO A BASEMENT, after introducing Pistone, whilst MAKING A POWERPLAY FOR THE FAMILY?
Any one in the history of the mafia, or sanity, make any move so stupid or contradictory (removal of personals)?

You believe what Massino says, you HAVE to believe EVERY point above.

Every one.



What a truly fantastic set of coincidences eh.

[HairyKnuckles]

isn't that a long time?? and Rastelli was in prison also?

is that why guys like Sally fruits and Catalano became "acting admins" bc there wasn't any one official around??

do you believe the hype about sonny black being possible street boss??

yeah it seems like an abnormally long time for an admin seat to be fully vacant. especially for that time period where, compared to today, admins were more or less straightforward with the basic 3 spots not only filled but generally filled with guys on the street

that was a pretty turbulant time for the bonannos though. now that I think about it, prior to Massino coming out of jail and fully taking over in...1991 I believe (??? - could be a little off) the Bonnanos had the most instable, turbulant track record out of all of the families. kind of a clusterfuck from Joe Bonanno's retirement up until the start of Massino's official tenure. Massino really got those guys in shape

re: Sonny Black being Street Boss. Sonny Black ran what had to be the family's biggest crew. i cant see any crew being bigger at that time not only in the bonannos but maybe even other families. that crew was MASSIVE. and IIRC he was close to Rastelli too. so there was legit concern from Massino that he could have taken the top spot

also IIRC at some trial after he flipped, Massino said that Sonny Black was killed as a power move, NOT solely because of Brasco. Brasco was a convenient excuse. so make of that what you will

Not really.Rastelli was in jail all this time, he didn´t bother with naming an underboss. Nothing abnormally by that. The Family was run by a couple of street panels and two acting bosses while Rastelli was away. No need for an underboss to be named.

When Galante got put away in 1977, the first panel was set up consisting of Stevie Canonne, Mickey Zaffarano and Philly Lucky Giaccone. A second one was created after Galante´s murder in 1979, consisting of Canonne, Giaccone and Sonny Red Indelicato. This one lasted until Sal Catalano was made acting boss in Sep 1980. Cannnone was indicted in March 1980 for contempt so he must have stepped down at around that time, I don´t know who took his Place on the panel. Catalano stepped down spring of 1981 and was replaced by a third ruling panel consisting of (probably) Farrugia, Massino and Sonny Black. So Sonny Black was not a street boss but part of a ruling panel. After the Donnie Brasco revelation, Farrugia was made the acting boss and held that position until 1983 when Rastelli was released from jail.

And regarding Sonny Black´s crew. It wasn´t particually large, mignt have been the smallest Bonanno crew at the time in terms of made men. I made a list on the crew´s made guys which can be found in the chart section.

[eboli]

yeah it seems like an abnormally long time for an admin seat to be fully vacant. especially for that time period where, compared to today, admins were more or less straightforward with the basic 3 spots not only filled but generally filled with guys on the street

Bonannos were the first New York family to use a commitee/ruling panel. They pretty much continued that tradition until Massino stepped in with constantly switching administrative roles. You can see it even in modern times. If the reports are correct, they operated for almost a decade before naming an official head of the family after Massino. Rastelli was a really bad pick for boss. Since his promotion he spent only 2 years on the streets. The family ran thanks to powerful capos, occasionally elevated to street/acting bosses. Massino, as Rastelli's protege, began consolidating his power since the moment of his induction. His ties to Gotti and Persico certainly helped him to come out on top. He probably could've named himself boss of the family in the mid to late-80's without opposition. It's not surprising Massino was named underboss only after Sonny Black was dead and gone.

[newera_212]

isn't that a long time?? and Rastelli was in prison also?

is that why guys like Sally fruits and Catalano became "acting admins" bc there wasn't any one official around??

do you believe the hype about sonny black being possible street boss??

yeah it seems like an abnormally long time for an admin seat to be fully vacant. especially for that time period where, compared to today, admins were more or less straightforward with the basic 3 spots not only filled but generally filled with guys on the street

that was a pretty turbulant time for the bonannos though. now that I think about it, prior to Massino coming out of jail and fully taking over in...1991 I believe (??? - could be a little off) the Bonnanos had the most instable, turbulant track record out of all of the families. kind of a clusterfuck from Joe Bonanno's retirement up until the start of Massino's official tenure. Massino really got those guys in shape

re: Sonny Black being Street Boss. Sonny Black ran what had to be the family's biggest crew. i cant see any crew being bigger at that time not only in the bonannos but maybe even other families. that crew was MASSIVE. and IIRC he was close to Rastelli too. so there was legit concern from Massino that he could have taken the top spot

also IIRC at some trial after he flipped, Massino said that Sonny Black was killed as a power move, NOT solely because of Brasco. Brasco was a convenient excuse. so make of that what you will

Not really.Rastelli was in jail all this time, he didn´t bother with naming an underboss. Nothing abnormally by that. The Family was run by a couple of street panels and two acting bosses while Rastelli was away. No need for an underboss to be named.

When Galante got put away in 1977, the first panel was set up consisting of Stevie Canonne, Mickey Zaffarano and Philly Lucky Giaccone. A second one was created after Galante´s murder in 1979, consisting of Canonne, Giaccone and Sonny Red Indelicato. This one lasted until Sal Catalano was made acting boss in Sep 1980. Cannnone was indicted in March 1980 for contempt so he must have stepped down at around that time, I don´t know who took his Place on the panel. Catalano stepped down spring of 1981 and was replaced by a third ruling panel consisting of (probably) Farrugia, Massino and Sonny Black. So Sonny Black was not a street boss but part of a ruling panel. After the Donnie Brasco revelation, Farrugia was made the acting boss and held that position until 1983 when Rastelli was released from jail.

And regarding Sonny Black´s crew. It wasn´t particually large, mignt have been the smallest Bonanno crew at the time in terms of made men. I made a list on the crew´s made guys which can be found in the chart section.

awesome. thanks for the info. gonna check out that list in the charts section right now. maybe because , and its due to brasco/media/available info, the guys in Napolitano's crew are more well known and popular. more recgonizable names. so i think i misconstrued that with being big, only because i know more guys from that crew right off the top of my head over others.

another guy from this era i was always interested in knowing more about was Matteo Valvo. seemed like a powerful captain, but again it could be only because im familiar with the guys who were in his crew and what became of them individually.

there was an old thread on RD that was on-going during one of Massino's testimonies (it could have been his first), and in that, there was a lot of good Bonanno info dropped. it was from there that it was mentioned Massino said Sonny Black was killed as a power play and position consolidation, not solely because of Brasco, and also said Sciascia was killed because of some shit he did (someone HE killed), not because he was in Massino's ear about TG. of course though, it was most likely a combo of all the situations.

I wonder where Massino is living today and what type of money he was able to take with him. still cant fathom him being a free man

[newera_212]

yeah it seems like an abnormally long time for an admin seat to be fully vacant. especially for that time period where, compared to today, admins were more or less straightforward with the basic 3 spots not only filled but generally filled with guys on the street

Bonannos were the first New York family to use a commitee/ruling panel. They pretty much continued that tradition until Massino stepped in with constantly switching administrative roles. You can see it even in modern times. If the reports are correct, they operated for almost a decade before naming an official head of the family after Massino. Rastelli was a really bad pick for boss. Since his promotion he spent only 2 years on the streets. The family ran thanks to powerful capos, occasionally elevated to street/acting bosses. Massino, as Rastelli's protege, began consolidating his power since the moment of his induction. His ties to Gotti and Persico certainly helped him to come out on top. He probably could've named himself boss of the family in the mid to late-80's without opposition. It's not surprising Massino was named underboss only after Sonny Black was dead and gone.

yup, you said it. the family was powerful because of its Capos. in a situation like that with no strong boss unifying everyone its only a matter of time before factions start to make moves. its not even Rastellis fault, i think the instability can be traced back all the way to Joe B. Joe B seemed like an asshole

[eboli]

yup, you said it. the family was powerful because of its Capos. in a situation like that with no strong boss unifying everyone its only a matter of time before factions start to make moves. its not even Rastellis fault, i think the instability can be traced back all the way to Joe B. Joe B seemed like an asshole

Yeah, Joe B. was a divisive figure to say the least. I always wondered about his close relationship with Galante and how that happened. I think that's one of the main reasons why they didn't want Galante in a position of power, combined with his greed and his other transgressions. It's interesting because Galante is not mentioned in his book.

As for Massino, after he turned informant, he had to forfeit five houses and seven million in cash. He got to keep five houses and other unstated assets.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rmant.html

[JeremyTheJew]

yup, you said it. the family was powerful because of its Capos. in a situation like that with no strong boss unifying everyone its only a matter of time before factions start to make moves. its not even Rastellis fault, i think the instability can be traced back all the way to Joe B. Joe B seemed like an asshole

Yeah, Joe B. was a divisive figure to say the least. I always wondered about his close relationship with Galante and how that happened. I think that's one of the main reasons why they didn't want Galante in a position of power, combined with his greed and his other transgressions. It's interesting because Galante is not mentioned in his book.

As for Massino, after he turned informant, he had to forfeit five houses and seven million in cash. He got to keep five houses and other unstated assets.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rmant.html

he did MENTION Galante but not in any type of admin position as it was previously thought

I believe he even mentioned about him goin to Canada?

when he did his interview the topic came up of him and bonanno wouldn't really answer the question if u remmember right

[eboli]

he did MENTION Galante but not in any type of admin position as it was previously thought

I believe he even mentioned about him goin to Canada?

when he did his interview the topic came up of him and bonanno wouldn't really answer the question if u remmember right

You're absolutely right. I got it mixed up. He was mentioned in passing. I don't know about Canada though. It would be great if someone can confrim it, as I no longer have the book. Joe B. was very protective of his image and didn't want to be seen as a heroin smuggler. I guess that's why he doesn't go into details on Galante. Also, Galante was loyal to him and I always had the impression Bonanno's book was a way to get back at some of the people that burned him along the way.