John DiFronzo

[Snakes]

Well, you can't badmouth Antilliar for not asking the right questions when he has been respected for years in these circles. The burden of proof is not on him; he has more evidence for Marco not being made than you and all of your capital letters and LOL's have been able to produce. He actually talked to a made guy who said Marco wasn't made. Personally, I think Marco is made, but until i get good evidence to the contrary i have to give deep consideration to Antilliar's findings.

[Confederate]

Well, you can't badmouth Antilliar for not asking the right questions when he has been respected for years in these circles. The burden of proof is not on him; he has more evidence for Marco not being made than you and all of your capital letters and LOL's have been able to produce. He actually talked to a made guy who said Marco wasn't made. Personally, I think Marco is made, but until i get good evidence to the contrary i have to give deep consideration to Antilliar's findings.

I didn't bad mouth anybody, Mr. Unbiased Instigator Moderator. I just said that would have been a question that Villain, Pete, Me or other people would have probably asked him. So fucking relax. I think Antiliar is a fine researcher and that has nothing to do with my opinion about asking someone the reason for a particular statement.

[willychichi]

I didn't bad mouth anybody, Mr. Unbiased Instigator Moderator. I just said that would have been a question that Villain, Pete, Me or other people would have probably asked him. So fucking relax. I think Antiliar is a fine researcher and that has nothing to do with my opinion about asking someone the reason for a particular statement.

Let's keep it on topic here and stop the personal attacks. Thanks

[Snakes]

I will say I "started" it, but I've said my piece and so did he. I'm willing to let it die.

[NickyEyes1]

Prob doesn't make a difference either way, Chicago aint NYC.

[Antiliar]

For the record, Mike did tell me the whys when I asked him, but since I'm working on a book on Chicago I'm not going to post everything I've learned here.

[Pete]

For the record, Mike did tell me the whys when I asked him, but since I'm working on a book on Chicago I'm not going to post everything I've learned here.

Looking forward to it. Did you do an interview with him or you guys just talk about some topics informally?

[Pete]

Antiliar - Do you think Mags was maybe just protecting Marco? He came from the Elmwood park crew. What is the story he told you on why he was shelved ? From the old ANP site I got that he owed Joe Andriacci money from not operating his book like he should have. He stiffed Joey A and they shelved him. I am curious what else he had to say about other outfit members- Did he say Di Fronzo was made that Joey A was made or Ruddy Fratto? The only real LCN stories he told on ANP were about driving Cerone to meet big Paul in NY. Did Mags say he was made ? You could have gotten a wealth of info from him.

Considering how he spoke about other people, no, I don't think he was protecting him. If he didn't want to talk about someone he would tell me. So I think he was honest. Yes, DiFronzo was made, so was Cerone and Fratto. That's all common knowledge anyways and was confirmed elsewhere. Mags didn't want to talk about his own ceremony or if he was made, so I didn't press him.

Thank you for the reply. Did he have anything else to say about Joey A? To me his position has never really been clarified. I had heard north side boss , elmwood park, overall boss and underboss.

Joey A had all those positions you mentioned at different times

[Villain]

Aiuppa started on the West Side or the Melrose Park area and later went under Claude Maddox of the old Capone gang who in turn was one of the high level members of the Cicero crew.

During the early 40's, Capone members from the Taylor St area such as Mops Volpe began transferring into the Cicero area and divided it on north and south, with Maddox and Aiuppa taking the southern part.

According to numerous reports from those days Aiuppa kept this territory until the late 1960s and also had interests mostly in Melrose Park and other areas such as the South Side.

Later when all West Side leaders such as Cerone and Alderisio went to prison, while Buccieri caught cancer, it was for Torello, Nicoletti and Aiuppa to divide some of the territories with Aiuppa slowly taking the boss position and also took over the MP area, while Nicoletti slowly took the second position and Torello took over the whole Cicero area. Also dont forget that none of these fellas ever relinquished some of their interests in their old and original territories, which explains the mixed membership of Cicero and MP crew members in Aiuppa's faction or Torello's faction also, while Nicoletti possibly had jurisdiction over the newly formed Grand Av group.

[Confederate]

Aiuppa started on the West Side or the Melrose Park area and later went under Claude Maddox of the old Capone gang who in turn was one of the high level members of the Cicero crew.

During the early 40's, Capone members from the Taylor St area such as Mops Volpe began transferring into the Cicero area and divided it on north and south, with Maddox and Aiuppa taking the southern part.

According to numerous reports from those days Aiuppa kept this territory until the late 1960s and also had interests mostly in Melrose Park and other areas such as the South Side.

Later when all West Side leaders such as Cerone and Alderisio went to prison, while Buccieri caught cancer, it was for Torello, Nicoletti and Aiuppa to divide some of the territories with Aiuppa slowly taking the boss position and also took over the MP area, while Nicoletti slowly took the second position and Torello took over the whole Cicero area. Also dont forget that none of these fellas ever relinquished some of their interests in their old and original territories, which explains the mixed membership of Cicero and MP crew members in Aiuppa's faction or Torello's faction also, while Nicoletti possibly had jurisdiction over the newly formed Grand Av group.

Excellent explanation. When you say Nicoletti took the second position, I assume you mean the #2 over the entire Outfit. The newly formed Grand Avenue Group though was most probably under Lombardo. By 1970 Lombardo was 41 years old and had been an Outfit guy for many years. Also, Alderisio was gone and Lombardo would have succeeded him. In addition, by 1971 Spilotro, who was under Lombardo, was in Las Vegas which means Lombardo had huge responsibilities.

[Villain]

Aiuppa started on the West Side or the Melrose Park area and later went under Claude Maddox of the old Capone gang who in turn was one of the high level members of the Cicero crew.

During the early 40's, Capone members from the Taylor St area such as Mops Volpe began transferring into the Cicero area and divided it on north and south, with Maddox and Aiuppa taking the southern part.

According to numerous reports from those days Aiuppa kept this territory until the late 1960s and also had interests mostly in Melrose Park and other areas such as the South Side.

Later when all West Side leaders such as Cerone and Alderisio went to prison, while Buccieri caught cancer, it was for Torello, Nicoletti and Aiuppa to divide some of the territories with Aiuppa slowly taking the boss position and also took over the MP area, while Nicoletti slowly took the second position and Torello took over the whole Cicero area. Also dont forget that none of these fellas ever relinquished some of their interests in their old and original territories, which explains the mixed membership of Cicero and MP crew members in Aiuppa's faction or Torello's faction also, while Nicoletti possibly had jurisdiction over the newly formed Grand Av group.

Excellent explanation. When you say Nicoletti took the second position, I assume you mean the #2 over the entire Outfit. The newly formed Grand Avenue Group though was most probably under Lombardo. By 1970 Lombardo was 41 years old and had been an Outfit guy for many years. Also, Alderisio was gone and Lombardo would have succeeded him. In addition, by 1971 Spilotro, who was under Lombardo, was in Las Vegas which means Lombardo had huge responsibilities.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... i_lombardo

[Confederate]

Wasn't it Alex who eventually was instrumental in having Nicoletti killed?

[Villain]

Wasn't it Alex who eventually was instrumental in having Nicoletti killed?

He was possibly one of the guys who allegedly pushed for his contract

[Snakes]

Sam22 was talking about Andriacchi.

[Villain]

Sorry I misread the thread.

My opinion is that Andriacchis interests on the North Side came through Lombardo, besides being from a different crew.

Back in the days, James Belcastro first belonged to the South Side faction but later with the help of his cousin Rocco Fanelli who in turn was located on Taylor St, Belcastro received some interests right there and later even changed his own crew membership...just my two cents