Underboss/ consigliere

[FriendofHenry]

I was hoping that some of you with so much knowledge of Underboss/Consigliere would share your personal experiences with these upper escelon guys.
Anyone share a meal, have cocktails or even just meet with one of these guys. I'm not looking for any secrets, only what you thought of them on a personal basis.

[Cheech]

I was hoping that some of you with so much knowledge of Underboss/Consigliere would share your personal experiences with these upper escelon guys.
Anyone share a meal, have cocktails or even just meet with one of these guys. I'm not looking for any secrets, only what you thought of them on a personal basis.

you went camping with one right?

[Angelo Santino]

Hmm, let's see, um, I was close to Tony LaPiana in Detroit years ago. He did the Atkins diet with gluten free pasta. He said I was a damn good server so I took that as a sign that I was On Record with him and went around Eastern Market telling people that Chicago Tony was sponsoring me for membership. That was 9 years ago, I haven't seen him since and I longed stopped dressing in a suit waiting near my phone for The Call. I think I may have been a little overzealous.

[FriendofHenry]

I was hoping that some of you with so much knowledge of Underboss/Consigliere would share your personal experiences with these upper escelon guys.
Anyone share a meal, have cocktails or even just meet with one of these guys. I'm not looking for any secrets, only what you thought of them on a personal basis.

you went camping with one right?

If you're referring to Charlie Murgie, then yes I went with him to Jo Jo rather large hunting camp in Tionesta, PA. on several occasions. In fact we would go out in the woods together. I was with him when I shot my first deer. He taught me how to gut it and helped me drag it back to camp.

Several of those times we drove there together. I would drop off my car at his restaurant in Warren,Ohio and take his Jeep full of goodies for camp.

Charlie kind of adopted me, especially after I came home from Viet Nam. Like most men he always wanted a son and he had daughters. I would often go to see him first with my Dad then when I was working in Niles. He taught me an awful lot about life. Obviously we were close.

I also met Pat Ferruccio on a number of occasions when I was with Henry. He was different than Charlie, but another really smart guy.

[Stroccos]

Hmm, let's see, um, I was close to Tony LaPiana in Detroit years ago. He did the Atkins diet with gluten free pasta. He said I was a damn good server so I took that as a sign that I was On Record with him and went around Eastern Market telling people that Chicago Tony was sponsoring me for membership. That was 9 years ago, I haven't seen him since and I longed stopped dressing in a suit waiting near my phone for The Call. I think I may have been a little overzealous.

Damn man , did you go out and buy A new suit?

[Angelo Santino]

Hmm, let's see, um, I was close to Tony LaPiana in Detroit years ago. He did the Atkins diet with gluten free pasta. He said I was a damn good server so I took that as a sign that I was On Record with him and went around Eastern Market telling people that Chicago Tony was sponsoring me for membership. That was 9 years ago, I haven't seen him since and I longed stopped dressing in a suit waiting near my phone for The Call. I think I may have been a little overzealous.

Damn man , did you go out and buy A new suit?

My dad's, found in the trunk of my mother's basemhh -- um my penthouse.

Anyways, what's your take on the roles of Milano / Demarco in their respective positions and how did they differ from Moceri, Delsanter, Lonardo and others during the Licavoli years? Would you argue that the roles stayed the same or differed depending on the individual and era?

A mutual friend of ours, thankfully, kept bringing up to me Dom Mazzola and I looked into it and he was from Carini as were his killers. Scalish I believe I wanna say was also of Carini descent, I don't believe Licata, if someone knows please correct me. Anyways, that could have been another faction within the Cleveland-Akron network which goes back... Quite honestly a great number of mafia murders appear to be in-house cleaning as opposed to gang-on-gang. The Mafia Wars of 1912, 1921-23 and 1930-1931 are really the few examples apart from little spiffs between Pittsburgh-Cleveland over Youngstown and Buffalo-Rochester over Utica. "We only kill each other" is generally true in regards to gang warfare.

[Stroccos]

Hmm, let's see, um, I was close to Tony LaPiana in Detroit years ago. He did the Atkins diet with gluten free pasta. He said I was a damn good server so I took that as a sign that I was On Record with him and went around Eastern Market telling people that Chicago Tony was sponsoring me for membership. That was 9 years ago, I haven't seen him since and I longed stopped dressing in a suit waiting near my phone for The Call. I think I may have been a little overzealous.

Damn man , did you go out and buy A new suit?

My dad's, found in the trunk of my mother's basemhh -- um my penthouse.

Anyways, what's your take on the roles of Milano / Demarco in their respective positions and how did they differ from Moceri, Delsanter, Lonardo and others during the Licavoli years? Would you argue that the roles stayed the same or differed depending on the individual and era?

A mutual friend of ours, thankfully, kept bringing up to me Dom Mazzola and I looked into it and he was from Carini as were his killers. Scalish I believe I wanna say was also of Carini descent, I don't believe Licata, if someone knows please correct me. Anyways, that could have been another faction within the Cleveland-Akron network which goes back... Quite honestly a great number of mafia murders appear to be in-house cleaning as opposed to gang-on-gang. The Mafia Wars of 1912, 1921-23 and 1930-1931 are really the few examples apart from little spiffs between Pittsburgh-Cleveland over Youngstown and Buffalo-Rochester over Utica. "We only kill each other" is generally true in regards to gang warfare.

well hopefully you have moved out the penthouse lol

yes scalish wasnt licatese , I found a picture/drawing of Mazzola i posted in the mugshot section , I tend to agree with our mutaal freind that Mazzola was somebody. But never found anything about him outside of him getting whacked.

[/quote]Anyways, what's your take on the roles of Milano / Demarco in their respective positions and how did they differ from Moceri, Delsanter, Lonardo and others during the Licavoli years? Would you argue that the roles stayed the same or differed depending on the individual and era?[/quote]

the roles differed in eras imo , its almost if the roles were ceremonial , escpecially in the latter years of the scalish era, he had no interest in making any new members , he didn't care if his underboss was active , we cant find any indication scalish even replaced his consigelere when brancato died. Milano wasn't very active outside of his own affairs. He had the unions and political influence. Being that he was underboss in name only IMO. He could of switched titles with Demarco . Milano should of been consilerge and been the elder statesman . Demarco was more of A underboss , but I would also throw in Frank brancato who was basically serving A underboss role as the "street boss" . The Scalish era was the "don't rock the boat " regime. He basically let people earn and kept the violence to a min. His one fault he didn't make any one . There were allot of disgruntled people take John nardi, As Jimmy weasel said "to many chiefs not enough Indians" but of old guys sitting back collecting there money

the roles of admin in the licavoli regime was forced right out the gate to be more active as the war was on.
well we didnt see much from moceri because he got whacked so quickly , but its likely had he lived , he would of been out there shaking down everyone , allot more active then Milano , I also belive allot more violence would of been implemented .
Lonardo was your typical underboss running the day to day of the family, back to a tradional underboss role
delsanter was being A typical consirlege advising and running the danny greene hit team. I would argue the consilrege role was similar to the role DeMarco played . Again Delsanter died in 77 so he wasn't in the admin that long.