Successor of the Corleonesi clan

[Wiseguy]

in the 2000s I thought the Ndrangheta , Camorra and LCN all joined together forming a "super group "

Those groups often work together but I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[JeremyTheJew]

i saw Strax wrote in the Italy news it was in the 90s and involved rome

[Wiseguy]

i saw Strax wrote in the Italy news it was in the 90s and involved rome

Maybe I missed it but looked through his posts in that section and didn't see anything like that. Anyway, they're still separate groups. I don't think it would be possible to bring hundreds of clans from different regions of Italy together in a single, monolithic organization.

[JeremyTheJew]

i saw Strax wrote in the Italy news it was in the 90s and involved rome

Maybe I missed it but looked through his posts in that section and didn't see anything like that. Anyway, they're still separate groups. I don't think it would be possible to bring hundreds of clans from different regions of Italy together in a single, monolithic organization.

here's the beginning of the small discussion on it:

quote=scagghiuni post_id=70182 time=1519334136 user_id=138]
spada is a gypsy clan, is independent
both sicilian cosa nostra, ndrangheta and camorra are present in rome and they are the strongest groups over there
in the 1980s there was a local gang 'banda della magliana' but it was dismanted in the 1990s
[/quote]

[CabriniGreen]

Apologies, my wording was a little off. I meant " Does being the boss", instead of " is being the boss..".

@Jeremy

The closest th thing I've heard of something like that was an operation between the Santapaola clan, Licciardi clan, and I forget which Ndrangheta clan offhand. But they cooperated in order to control produce markets. I think this was early this decade, I'll see if I can find it....

[CabriniGreen]

Here it is....


http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_ ... rkets.html

[CabriniGreen]

I was looking at a list of the Sicilian madamento....

http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/b ... ent%3A1210


This stuck out a little.....

Nowadays the Corleone mandamento is run by Rosario Lo Bue (right). According to police wiretaps, Lo Bue told Riina's sons to stay away because he was named the boss of the family and member of the Provincial Commission.

What's you guy's take on that?

Also, what do you guys think of the alliance between the Partinico and San Guiseppe Jato madamenti?

I'm wondering if this really means anything significant, or if it's just a traditional alliance.

It used to be the Mafiosi with access to America, made the most money. It's why the LoPiccolo faction was poised to take over Palermo like Wiseguy posted.

Now we read about Denaro being hidden by Ndrangheta. With the Calabrians extensive ties around the world, I'm wondering if the most powerful Sicilian clans today, are the ones aligned with ndrangheta.

Nicola Femia was a ndrangheta boss I think....


Some good stuff here, any more thoughts guys?

[aleksandrored]

Question....

Is being the boss of the Corleonesi , still mean what it did in the 80s?

Is it possible there is a new faction or coalition of clans in power?

No to your first question. The Corleonesi were at the top of the Sicilian Mafia and Riina is probably the closest to being a true boss of bosses. No boss or clan in Sicily today has that kind of power.

As to the second question, I don't know about now. Going back to the early-mid 2000s, Antonio Rotolo (Pagliarelli clan and Corleonesi ally) had established a coalition of clans before he and several other Palermo bosses were arrested in Operation Gotha. At that time there was conflict between Rotolo and San Lorenzo boss Salvatore LoPiccolo. After Provenzano was arrested, LoPiccolo was reported to be the top boss. But he was arrested himself in 2007.

in the 2000s I thought the Ndrangheta , Camorra and LCN all joined together forming a "super group "

Do you mean that?
https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2016/0 ... i/2915915/

[aleksandrored]

I was looking at a list of the Sicilian madamento....

http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/b ... ent%3A1210


This stuck out a little.....

Nowadays the Corleone mandamento is run by Rosario Lo Bue (right). According to police wiretaps, Lo Bue told Riina's sons to stay away because he was named the boss of the family and member of the Provincial Commission.

What's you guy's take on that?

Also, what do you guys think of the alliance between the Partinico and San Guiseppe Jato madamenti?

I'm wondering if this really means anything significant, or if it's just a traditional alliance.

It used to be the Mafiosi with access to America, made the most money. It's why the LoPiccolo faction was poised to take over Palermo like Wiseguy posted.

Now we read about Denaro being hidden by Ndrangheta. With the Calabrians extensive ties around the world, I'm wondering if the most powerful Sicilian clans today, are the ones aligned with ndrangheta.

Nicola Femia was a ndrangheta boss I think....


Some good stuff here, any more thoughts guys?

Lo Bue is a mobster from the time of the Riina, we do not have much information about him except that he is a charismatic chief and was trying to rebuild the structure of the districts in Corleone by naming the chiefs of the clans Chiusa Sclafani and Countess Entellina.

From the news to realize that the Corleonesi clan is divided today, as it was in 1993-1995, there are members who think that they should be equal to the time of Riina, where violence and terrorism predominated, while others think they should be equal Provenzano, where the mafia was silent to the point where its existence is doubtful, Lo Bue seems to be more Provenzano's style, which already makes him a target of criticism by some members.

In relation to Ndrangheta it is difficult to know, what we do know is that they act together according to the news, but I believe that Cosa Nostra is slowly rebuilding itself, it has paid more attention to drug trafficking lately since the Ndrangheta is no longer the most powerful in this branch for some time, but in general I think they allied themselves like Genovese and Philladelphia, for example.

[CabriniGreen]

I remember the Queens thing, supposedly financed by Federico?

Ndrangheta and Philly though, haven't heard about that connection. Did that come out of the recent indictment?

Also, is it just police pressure that has weakened the Calabrians drug ties, or something else?

I feel like when considering the Italian syndicates, it's important to pay attention to the drug trafficking, and the routes as far as whose in control. It helps to map the power.

[aleksandrored]

I remember the Queens thing, supposedly financed by Federico?

Ndrangheta and Philly though, haven't heard about that connection. Did that come out of the recent indictment?

Also, is it just police pressure that has weakened the Calabrians drug ties, or something else?

I feel like when considering the Italian syndicates, it's important to pay attention to the drug trafficking, and the routes as far as whose in control. It helps to map the power.

Here is the latest article on this:

May 13 2018 - In Sicily tons of drugs from all over the world: pusher always stronger

Organizations no longer just local that make tons of drugs from all over the world arrive in Sicily, with sometimes unprecedented routes. There is not only the "old" South America king of cocaine, but also Germany and Spain, Morocco and Lebanon, Greece, the Mediterranean.

With another novelty, not just: the 'ndrangheta is no longer the undisputed queen, or at least not as long ago. An alarm that sounds clear to those who investigate and fight against a flow that seems endless: for organized crime the gains of drugs are increasing more and more, so as to represent one of the largest, if not the largest, source of income.

And it's not hard to believe it. On closer inspection, omitting for a moment the great operations of law enforcement, where for the quantity sequestered we speak of tons or even tons, in the daily life in Sicily, more and more often, the drug found in hand also to small drug dealers gauge is in the order of kilograms. Grams are rarely found.

One of the reasons? Whoever supplies the drug, in a certain turn, in all likelihood has no time to waste and wants substantial gains immediately, and even those who sell it accept to risk more in exchange for much more money if things were to go for the best .

To explain it is Colonel Francesco Mazzotta, commander of the economic-financial police unit of Palermo: "Without a doubt, Cosa Nostra pays particular attention to the drug, given the difficulty in making profits from other illicit sources. There is always a minor store, alarming and to fight, but to disarticulate the production we must rebuild the organizational pyramid behind all this. The investigations do not follow only the ball of hashish but aim at those who arrive with large quantities by air, by sea, international flights. The dealers, both Italian and foreign, are clearly the last terminals of an organization much larger than themselves. The astonishing is returning to the limelight for its high profitability - continues Mazzotta - with crops and a care for details that do everything to maximize profit. Obviously everything depends on the cut, but it is clear that it is more and more frequent to find even the smallest dealers with increasingly high loads. The main objective of our investigative initiatives is to deprive, as much as possible, the criminal organizations of one of their main illicit sources of livelihood ". In short, the daily struggle for the smallest "minute" store, the investigative attention of the finance guard is mainly aimed at reconstructing the most serious phenomena of international drug trafficking and illicit financial flows generated by them.

To do this, international law enforcement cooperations are increasingly frequent, collaborating in this sense: "By now it has become fundamental. We investigate large-scale criminal organizations, rebuilding the network of pusher starting from the top - says Mazzotta -. We use our knowledge, technology and environmental tapping. For example, with the operation Libeccio international, which lasted two years, we have seized something like 74 tons of drugs, creating a real international network together with the French, Spanish, Greeks, Germans, Portuguese, Moroccans, more generally countries that overlooking the Mediterranean Sea, which constitutes, as easily understood, a motorway. And to be interested is not only Palermo, but all of Sicily ".

The huge profits of the drug are then reinvested in other perfectly legal activities, such as that of catering, as discovered by another transnational operation, the "Meltemi", with 20 arrests for drug trafficking from Sicily to Germany: "It is also about depriving them of the economic resources they derive from drugs - says Mazzotta - In this case, we noticed that with the drug money they opened and ran catering activities".

But something is happening even within large criminal organizations. For example, until recently, in Italy, almost everything was in the hands of the 'ndrangheta: the flow was firmly in his hands. Now something has changed.

"In the latest investigations - says Mazzotta - we have had the opportunity to see how the Sicilian criminals have been able to deal directly with foreign suppliers, even South Americans, of amazing without necessarily passing through the mediation of the Calabrians".

[scagghiuni]

concerning drugs, sicily is the biggest producer of weed in italy and among the biggest in europe

[Wiseguy]

I remember the Queens thing, supposedly financed by Federico?

Ndrangheta and Philly though, haven't heard about that connection. Did that come out of the recent indictment?

Also, is it just police pressure that has weakened the Calabrians drug ties, or something else?

I feel like when considering the Italian syndicates, it's important to pay attention to the drug trafficking, and the routes as far as whose in control. It helps to map the power.

There were a couple articles that said the Gigliotti operation had ties to Federici and some theorized he may have provided financing. But nothing concrete ever came out.

I don't recall anything about the Ndrangheta and Philadelphia.

As for the Italian crime groups, the 2013 threat assessment from Europol gives a good summary of things.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/publicati ... ised-crime