Trial of Cadillac Frank Salemme

[TJ]

Ray jr put salemme into place, pending case was coming on Russo Ferreira etal, Ray jr went with Frank it ignited the spark..Russo and them had New York backing hence grassy and salemme shootings..then the indictments came, and salemme then was the lead dog, and at that point had all the backing, but not the respect of many guys on the street..so, the answer to your question is, not vs Russo he didnt

[JCB1977]

lot of people were skeptical of bobbys character for a while. saint was drumming that beat for a long time yes,claiming bobby was a CI, from what i gather, in the saints paperwork, he felt that a CI in the reports could be bobby, i dont know enough of the specific incidents saint was talking about to say either way...meanwhile people were saying it about the saint as well, and pointing to the hilton logan airport tape as to what they overheard the fed say....who knows with these mutts as you called them, no more perfect a term..bobby and lato werent always on the best of terms, so id venture to say the minute bobby got into his jackpot, and giving up lato was his way out, or part of it, he jumped on it..

Good stuff. I’m a big fan of the Patriarca’s, especially the earlier stuff. Thanks for sharing.

[Stroccos]

ive walked in a lot of rooms in my life, but never like....flemmi... always shows up when people are being strangled..i dont think ricci saw salemmi? maybe he did? hillary can hurt him without the baggage if he has first hand knowledge on it yes..

according to Ricci , he was asked by the Delucas if they could dump the body at his place , he agreed , they pre dig a pit , Joe DeLuca brought the body there Ricci came the next day and covered it over. So he can colllabrate what they testify about the body , so its going to come down to why would the delucas have the body? They had no reason to kill him,

HIllary will be giving background , It was Hillary who introduced Disaro to Frank , Hillary was placed in his crew by Patricia when Frank got out of prison , I believe he was banished from Boston well prior to the Disaro hit taking place no no first hand on the hit , So its a allot of evidence to overcome ,but really no smoking gun , Do you believe the Deluca brothers or not? guess we will see what the jury says

[TJ]

One thing for certain, hillary hates frank, so whatever he can add, he will..and yes it comes down to believing the delucas, stroccos, also the feda were all around this crew includes disarro, so they can show the players all together, at the channel, and elsewhere, and the.established motive will be tough to beat..

[Fughedaboutit]

Not sure why they both ratted but left crimes out, you have to know the feds are gonna nail you...tell the truth and you are home free

idiots

[TJ]

yup, total idiots. and it wasnt like this crime was something frank wasnt suspected of, he was from the minute it happened..'ohhh,that one, gee, i forgot about that''''

[Luca Brasi]

TJ,
Is this stuff connected with the Junior Hill being brought up 25 yrs later? He has cleaned up his act for yrs now and has been a very influential person in a certain community. Saved my life when I thought it wasn't worth 2 pennies. It just sucks that the law doesn't recognize a change in some people. I'm not saying murder is anything to take lightly, but look at victims.. We aren't talking choir boys who were at the wrong place wrong time citizens... Take care,

Luca

[TJ]

could be....most likely is..alhough its on hold now...lest not forget you are correct on choir boy comment, BUT these non choir boys have wives, kids, families..that being said..the remaining wife more of a gangster than the victim was hahah...board, me and luca are not discussing disarro in these posts fyi

[Stroccos]

Not sure why they both ratted but left crimes out, you have to know the feds are gonna nail you...tell the truth and you are home free

idiots

My only guess was to protect his son and brother and maybe the Delucas to a extent ?

[dixiemafia]

Dixie..my bad, i misread it, i thought when u mentioned now his son is dead that u were alluding to him orotecting him, i see u werent, my bad...

No problem man! What I meant was I was surprised he just didn't try to say his son killed him (he's dead, what can they do?) and he just happened to be there and not in on the murder itself. But we both know how much of a dirty snake that he is, so no telling what his defense will be now. I hope someone covers this trial live like the Whitey trials.

[dixiemafia]

Ray jr put salemme into place, pending case was coming on Russo Ferreira etal, Ray jr went with Frank it ignited the spark..Russo and them had New York backing hence grassy and salemme shootings..then the indictments came, and salemme then was the lead dog, and at that point had all the backing, but not the respect of many guys on the street..so, the answer to your question is, not vs Russo he didnt

It showed how weak and "out of it" that Junior was when he made that decision. The first mistake they made was making Junior boss and not Nicky Bianco. It would have at least kept the family stable. Then the 2nd mistake after making Junior boss was making Billy Grasso underboss, to me that was a slap in Boston's face as since his old man they seemed to have a Boston member at least as Underboss. That caused everything to go in motion. Maybe Russo and Company still make their move if it was Bianco/Russo to start with, I know Bianco was in prison at the time (y'all help me out here) but he would have made a better boss after the old man died than Junior without question. In Junior's defense though, he was thrown into the fire covered in lighter fluid.

Salemme was the worst choice to ever get put into the Admin and Boston for sure knew it more than anyone. It was almost like Junior had no clue who had the most power and respect in Boston to begin with. Yes he made Russo Consig but in the Patriarca family it seemed to be just a title that had no power. It definitely seemed that way under the old man because he had the last word no matter what. We all know the old man damn sure wasn't letting Angiulo make final decisions. He was way too emotional to have any final say.

Just my worthless 2 cents and like JCB, I am more into the older stuff pre-Patriarca death than I am the latter part so I admit I don't know as much after his death.

[mr white]

It always seemed to me that it was non-Italian associates doing most of the shooting on the Salemme side...the guys like richie devlin dying in cars and spitting out teeth in east boston...is it true that the Salemme side and the rossettis, etc al had more shooters? This was an interesting point earlier in the thread...always made me wonder as it didn't seem like many up and coming italians hoping to be made guys that were taking the big risks on the street...Franks guys were gangsters but mostly loose on LCN standing apart from him...it's also hard to understand that full-blown war with lots of bodies, total combat in east Boston especially for awhile and I don't think the so-called renegades ever took a shot at rossettis, bufalino, or any of the dangerous made guys on the Salemme side? Have always wondered how those crews were in such close proximity to each other gunning for each other and no made guys taking hits. This war killed more guys than the Columbia war as far as I know...maybe not made guys but lots of bodies dropping sustained over years and not much has been written about it other than the Allan May article..

[Luca Brasi]

It always seemed to me that it was non-Italian associates doing most of the shooting on the Salemme side...the guys like richie devlin dying in cars and spitting out teeth in east boston...is it true that the Salemme side and the rossettis, etc al had more shooters? This was an interesting point earlier in the thread...always made me wonder as it didn't seem like many up and coming italians hoping to be made guys that were taking the big risks on the street...Franks guys were gangsters but mostly loose on LCN standing apart from him...it's also hard to understand that full-blown war with lots of bodies, total combat in east Boston especially for awhile and I don't think the so-called renegades ever took a shot at rossettis, bufalino, or any of the dangerous made guys on the Salemme side? Have always wondered how those crews were in such close proximity to each other gunning for each other and no made guys taking hits. This war killed more guys than the Columbia war as far as I know...maybe not made guys but lots of bodies dropping sustained over years and not much has been written about it other than the Allan May article..

Nail on the head Mr White.. A couple of years ago my old man and I brought lunch down to an autobody in Revere, my old man had to see someone, so Its myself, him, Pryce, Phil Pop, Pryce, Richie Gillis, and Spucky stopped by quick to see somebody and im sitting there keeping my mouth shut listening to the stories etc, and Richie G. goes kid you would of thought it was 1960's Sullivan Sq with all the Irish involved in this thing. I think the topic was not ratting when you have been shot 10 times.. Haha j/k They were comparing the gold old days and stability...

Take care,

Luca

[Eddie mush]

Great story luca.

Those guys probably have stories for Days

[TJ]

mr white..steven rosetti was in the car when devlin died and gillis was spitting teeth...also not ever pinched for it cuz mark obv did tell, but its in paperwork, someone thru a pineapple through his window, didnt detonate...the renegades had no problem taking shots..and they all knew it after the deviln shooting..funny thing is, devlin and them were stalking gigi that nite, not the people who shot at them..feds and media lump all the 'renegades together...now they had common enemies, and got along to get along..but guys like MR AC were not overally close with gigi..and guys like those 2 didnt even meet paul until after mikes son died, so it wasnt this full out brigade of guys..salemme had shooters, italian, irish, greek, whatever they were, he had them...steven is as dangerous as anyone, darin too..gillis been shot twice in the fuckin face, whats that tell you about him....cousins with mark and steven btw, so not all irish....devlin dangerous,,clark dangerous...frank was loaded for bear..

regarding dixie above, all strong points, and yes, they slapped JR etal in the face with the grasso decision..it fell on the back side of making frank, frank coming home, feeling he was owed something from THEM, understand, when frank went away, he had always been with stevie, sure he was on good terms with ray sr, and larry, but he was with stevie..JR bobby c, vinny, in1988 they were like, 'frank who?', they told him, go see stevie, never mind us...and frank and bobby donati fuckin hated each other in walpole, bobby was thick as thieves with vinny jr etal, so there was that issue stabbing away at them...sonny was a go between, but even he had to choose a side..you ahve to udnerstand, they knew a pinch was imminent, there were low level rats that had been moved, the fed had been around biag and spuck and dee, they still had the anguilo tapes being used on them as evidence, they knew a pinch was coming..and they had salemme, call him as you will today, but they had this maniac coming home not only sitting on top of a tree waiting to eat the carcass, but swooping down with his fellow vultures pecking away at every turn..they knew he was gonna make a move, hence JR got word to make his...it didnt work...and the rest is history..late 80s early 90s not an easy time to be out on the street in boston, and we arent event broaching the hill at this point...thing is, majoirty of the rats, are from franks side..and today...the alleged boss, and whatever his brother is, comes from that tree....