Chris Christie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:52 am
I can or cannot add Ferrara depending on space. Right now I have 3 rows of 9 that - for design purposes - I'd like to keep even, We stand at 31 names now. I can either remove deceased Ferrara putting us at 30 (3 rows of 10) or I can leave him and add two more deceased names (3 rows of 11). I was going to invert all the photos but if I have deceased members I can just invert them to distinguish from the living.
Exclude the acting captains and just put the official captains on the chart. May I suggest you put an asterix next to the official ones showing they had acting captains?
Fatico first identified as a captain in 1972 by informant. I could be wrong, but I don´t believe he was a captain in 1969. I think there was a little bit of a shake up in or around 1970 when Corrao was demoted. Perhaps Fatico was made captain then?
That brings me down to 26, if I do that I'll include deceased Ferrara to get to 27.
David Amadeo
Domenico Arcuri
Salvatore Aurello
Michael Caiazza
Joseph Colozzo
Pasquale Conte
Frank Corbi
Vincent Corrao
Charles Dongarra
James Eppolito
James Failla
Joseph Gambino
Paolo Gambino *
Anthony Napolitano
Joseph Paterno
Nicola Patti
Frank Perrone
Frank Rizzo
Gaetano Russo
Anthony Scotto
Anthony Sedotto
Joseph Silesi
Peter Stincone
Giuseppe Traina *
Ettore Zappi
Joseph Zingaro
HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:18 am
Well, if you include Ferrara, you should exclude Aurello.
Are you planning to put Castellano with Gambino, Dellacroce and Gallo (the administration)?
The admin is done, you can see a preview of it on page 1 of this thread. 1st one didn't have Castellano, updated one does.
I'm trying to get to Captain boxes and rows to be even. Should be 3 rows which 9 per row puts us at 27 or 10 at 30.
If I include the three acting that puts us to 29, in which case we'll need to include Ferrara which puts us at 30. If I include deceased Ferrara it can be because he was recently deceased). If I don't include the acting and only Ferrara that puts us at 27.
If you include Joe Gambino (the one from bronx) as a captain you will have 30 boxes with the acting captains. He was a skipper in 1969 although he is not on Meskil's chart.
HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:55 am
If you include Joe Gambino (the one from bronx) as a captain you will have 30 boxes with the acting captains. He was a skipper in 1969 although he is not on Meskil's chart.
First row, 9th down, to the right of my thumb with the asterisk. I know you see this so am I missing something? Were there two Joseph Gambinos as skippers at the same time? Forgive me if I sound like Furio from the wrong side.
Anyways, I keep it to official that leaves 26 boxes and I'll just leave it as that and leave a space open. I'll try and obtain as many photos as I can independently before asking. Same goes for nicknames.
If anyone wishes to have any certain photo used for anyone, just post it. Preferably as close to 1969 as possible.
So if at that time they had 230 members, and considering that it was the most powerful family, this does not differ much from today that has in average 150 members according to the data, or am I talking bullshit?
HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:43 pm
Rizzo was given appr half of Napolitano´s guys and was made a skipper sometime after 1965. Rizzo´s crew basically based in Queens, Napolitano´s in East Harlem. (JD´s info.)
Stincone had a caporegime consisting of 10 old timers. He had an insurance office located in Astoria, Queens.
I have Frank Rizzo taking over for Stincone after he died in 1977. Was Rizzo already a a Capo beforehand?
aleksandrored wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:45 am
So if at that time they had 230 members, and considering that it was the most powerful family, this does not differ much from today that has in average 150 members according to the data, or am I talking bullshit?
The 230 number was for 1976. They would have been larger in 1969. They are much smaller now of course.
Pogo
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HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:55 am
If you include Joe Gambino (the one from bronx) as a captain you will have 30 boxes with the acting captains. He was a skipper in 1969 although he is not on Meskil's chart.
First row, 9th down, to the right of my thumb with the asterisk. I know you see this so am I missing something? Were there two Joseph Gambinos as skippers at the same time? Forgive me if I sound like Furio from the wrong side.
Lol!
Yeah. Two Joseph Gambinos as captains at the same time. The one on the chart is Carlo's brother. I remember when seing the FBI chart for the first time I thought it was a typo. The other one was based in the Bronx.
HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:43 pm
Rizzo was given appr half of Napolitano´s guys and was made a skipper sometime after 1965. Rizzo´s crew basically based in Queens, Napolitano´s in East Harlem. (JD´s info.)
Stincone had a caporegime consisting of 10 old timers. He had an insurance office located in Astoria, Queens.
I have Frank Rizzo taking over for Stincone after he died in 1977. Was Rizzo already a a Capo beforehand?
aleksandrored wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:45 am
So if at that time they had 230 members, and considering that it was the most powerful family, this does not differ much from today that has in average 150 members according to the data, or am I talking bullshit?
The 230 number was for 1976. They would have been larger in 1969. They are much smaller now of course.
Pogo
Rizzo was a captain by 1967 splitting off from Napolitano's crew. I wish JD would not have deleted all his posts then you would have found it on here.
Let's not forget that the Gambinos made a lot of new members when the books opened in 1976. So the Family was enlarged. Off the top of my head, they may have made close to 100 new members in the late 1970s.
Also do we know how Joseph Gambino (Carlo's brother) fit into the crew successions? Thanks.
Pogo
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:05 am
Thanks. So Rizzo didn't take over for Stincone?
Also do we know how Joseph Gambino (Carlo's brother) fit into the crew successions? Thanks.
Pogo
I remember JD saying that the two crew remerged again in the early 1980s because many members had died off. Does it ring a bell?
Joe Gambino was probably given a crew when his brother was made boss and the crew merged with someother or disbanded after his death. Really don't know. Way too little info on Joe. I would think he haeaded a very small crew.
HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:15 am
I remember JD saying that the two crew remerged again in the early 1980s because many members had died off. Does it ring a bell?
Joe Gambino was probably given a crew when his brother was made boss and the crew merged with someother or disbanded after his death. Really don't know. Way too little info on Joe. I would think he haeaded a very small crew.
You mean the Rizzo and Stincone Crews remerged in the early 80s or the 2 Gambino brothers Crew? If Rizzo-Stincone so would Ralph Mosca have taken over for Stincone in 1977 and then absorbed the Rizzo Crew in the early 19080s?
Also do you know when Joseph Gambino (Carlo's brother) died? Thanks.
Pogo
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
Chris Christie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:16 am
OK, two Joseph Gambinos. (See I didn't know that). I'm correct to assume the Bronx JB is of no relation?
Puts us at a nice 27.
Conflicting info on their relation. Some sources say they were related, other say they weren't. Its possible they were distant cousins.
HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:15 am
I remember JD saying that the two crew remerged again in the early 1980s because many members had died off. Does it ring a bell?
Joe Gambino was probably given a crew when his brother was made boss and the crew merged with someother or disbanded after his death. Really don't know. Way too little info on Joe. I would think he haeaded a very small crew.
You mean the Rizzo and Stincone Crews remerged in the early 80s or the 2 Gambino brothers Crew? If Rizzo-Stincone so would Ralph Mosca have taken over for Stincone in 1977 and then absorbed the Rizzo Crew in the early 19080s?
Also do you know when Joseph Gambino (Carlo's brother) died? Thanks.
Pogo
No I meant that Rizzo's crew and Napolitano's remerged. Rizzo wasn' t a captain when it happend somebody else had taken over his crew.
There's not alot of photos of these captains available are there? I have Arcuri, Aurello, Conte, Dongarra, Napolitano, Paolo Gambino and G. Traina.
MAFIA bible has Sedotto, Corrao.
I have high res scans of the Valachi charts, looking at a quickie online (thanks mafiawiki) and I see Colozzo and... that's it.
Missing:
Amadeo
Caiazza
Corbi
Joseph Gambino (bro)
Joseph (from the bronx) Gambino
Paterno
Patti
Perrone
Rizzo
Silesi
Stincone
Zappi
