Giancana

[JeremyTheJew]

why is giancana looked as a front for accardo?

there seemed to be several rackets gianacana helped bring the outfit in.... one being the numbers rackets.

also, Villain, in the sicilian gambino thread u stated at the end that Giancana set up some kinda of multi ethnic dope ring.

can you elaborate on that?

and what's your thoughts on mooney?

[SonnyBlackstein]

Can you stop opening stupid fucking threads with your stupid fucking questions.

If you HAVE to ask random questions, kindly use the 'General questions' thread like everyone else.

[Villain]

why is giancana looked as a front for accardo?

there seemed to be several rackets gianacana helped bring the outfit in.... one being the numbers rackets.

also, Villain, in the sicilian gambino thread u stated at the end that Giancana set up some kinda of multi ethnic dope ring.

can you elaborate on that?

and what's your thoughts on mooney?

Giancana was leading member of the younger generation, such as members who were possibly made from the late 1930's and onward. It was all Mob politics since the main individual regarding his rise was probably Louis Campagna and by the early 1940's Giancana was elevated to a crew boss who had jurisdiction of the Taylor St crew and the Near West Side and also the northern part of the Cicero area, which means that during that period he was probably one of the most powerful capos. When Accardo became the boss in 1947, Giancana became his number two guy which might've started the myth that he was Accardo's front but instead he was Campagna's and Ricca's pick, the Outfit's top bosses at the time. During the 1950's Accardo had a lot of trouble with the law and possibly with some top members of the Outfit, while Campagna died in 1955 and 1959 Ricca went to jail until 1961, so during that short time period Giancana was probably the only guy at the top, which in turn gave him the courage and power to do whatever he wanted.

Giancanas idea of the creation of a new drug route started when U.S. troops arrived in Vietnam in 1965 and during the conflict, many American criminals found their way to the Far East and established many new contacts. During that period Trafficante sometimes went by himself on the Far East or sent some of his couriers, while at the same time, Giancana also had some of his men in the same territory such as John Drew, who was there mainly as Trafficante’s backing. So the new and main production point became one place known as Yunnan, which is a province in southwestern China with a varied landscape, perfect for growing opium poppies. The contact was made allegedly with the help of members from China’s long time organized crime syndicate known as the Triads, who by now were under the protection of Chiang Kai-shek, the Republic’s current military leader. The plan was for local cultivators from the Yunnan area, with the help of their mules, to transport opium to the Shan frontier that is Burma. The caravans were formed by 80 or even 100 mules, which transported over 4 tons of opium respectively, or two sealed tins of 20 kilograms being carried by each mule. There, the product was welcomed by trucks and was transported to a trading company at Rangoon, Burma. So there was direct evidence about the opium smuggling out of Yunnan into Burma, and then into Thailand, where was converted into heroin. In fact this time, the main clandestine laboratories for conversion of opium to morphine base and then to heroin, mainly occurred around the Bangkok, Hong Kong, Singapore and Macao areas. According to some government reports, this product was labelled by the drug traffickers as “999”. From there, the product was smuggled into Japan, where obviously was welcomed by local gangsters, who in turn smuggled it into Canada and in the end, into the U.S. Story goes that during this period the Detroit point was avoided, since the New York docks were the main receiving point, which was still controlled by the Gambino and Genovese crime families, through one Tony Scotto.

Still this allegedly wasn’t Giancana’s main and only source for dope supply since he wanted a drug route, which was about to be only under the Outfit’s jurisdiction, was a desperate move in trying to maintain his leadership abilities among his fellow members. The whole thing started in 1968, when the Outfit managed to make close contacts with opium smugglers from the Philippines, since they previously smuggled tobacco and prostitutes from the same area. According to some reports, the connection was established with the help of several underworld Chinese syndicates from Macao and Hong Kong areas who operated independently from the Triads. In fact, these smaller Oriental syndicates were waiting for the right moment to establish their U.S. connections, such as the Chicago boys. Although, my personal belief is that Trafficante might’ve been again the key individual who introduced the Outfit to this new connection.

Now, the plan was for smugglers from the Philippines to ship raw opium to a small island on the Pacific Ocean known as Guam, which in fact it’s an island on U.S. territory in Micronesia, in the Western Pacific. In no time, tons of opium arrived on the island which later was processed into heroin with the help of freshly opened laboratories which were financed directly by the Outfit. All kinds of narcotics flew through the island and tempting flow of dollars easily led to a massive corruption among Guam’s police and public officials and on top of that, a huge heroin epidemic among the local citizens, which was about to last for whole the next decade. The transportation process was carried out mainly by individuals who were paid by the Asian crime syndicates, until they brought it in Mexico, where it was usually welcomed by local gangs who were on Giancana’s payroll. His “voice” in the Mexico area was his main attorney know as Jorge Castillo who in turn also worked as Giancana’s front man and contact with local Mexican authorities and criminal gangs.

The Outfit also began investing in airplane companies so they wouldn’t leave any traces behind them and the thing was that somewhere around 20 to 30 airplanes usually arrived once in few months in Mexico or the U.S. from South American countries via Panama’s Tocumen International Airport, where they had been easy cleared through without any inspection. Proof for that is when in 1969, one of those “cleared” planes was tracked by U.S. narcotics agents and when they searched the plane, inside they found all kinds of vending machines but the main thing was that they also found 10 kilos of heroin. The problem was that the agents suspected that both the equipment and the plane might’ve belonged to one of the Outfit's firms but there was no way to prove it since none of the merchandise or transportation was labelled.

So it didn’t matter on how the dope shipment arrived, but instead the main and most important thing was for it to arrive safely in Mexico. This “landing” point was obviously chosen mainly because of the constant raids on U.S. soil and because of that, now the main smuggling route extended along the Arizona-Mexico border and was mainly controlled by members of Cosa Nostra in alliance with some of the Mexican criminal factions. Even though there were thousands of unaffiliated smugglers in the trade, still according to the feds, there were actually 23 major smuggling rings which operated through the corridor and five of those were wholly or partially controlled by Cosa Nostra crime families from New York City, such as the Gambinos and Bonannos, and also Tampa, Detroit and Chicago. In addition, these Mob-connected dope rings mainly smuggled Oriental heroin which was previously smuggled from the Philippines and allegedly possessed higher quality rather than the Mexican product. The problem was that the Mexican kind of heroin was not as pure or desirable as the one from Asia's Golden Triangle. Now, the main dope smuggling contact between Mexico and Arizona was one Chinese born criminal known as Hector Mar Wong. In fact, Wong was the main guy for the Macao and Hong Kong crime syndicates around the Mexico and Arizona areas, and at the same time, he was the main contact between the Asian, American and Mexican gangs. Wong also had a son who owned a small Chinese restaurant in one overcrowded Mexican border town known as Nogales, and from there he oversaw his father’s drug shipments. Since the Oriental product went through Mexican territory, the local big time crime bosses also had their fingers in the pot. At the time, Mexico’s top crime lords and dope pushers were the Savela brothers, Jorge and Victor, who came from the Culiacan area and were closely connected to American crime bosses such as Joe Bonanno and Giancana. To tell you the truth, I found the idea of both Bonanno and Giancana having the same “supplier” and protector at the same time quite interesting, since in the old days, or during the infamous “Banana Wars”, the Chicago crime boss many times called for Bonanno’s life. In fact, the Savela brothers were the ones who gave a pass on what went over the border and was about to stay for ever, meaning if you paid them, it was all good. They controlled all of the large dope peddling routes which came from the Mexico area and they also controlled all the runners who smuggled the dope over the border in Arizona. In addition, the Savela brothers, especially Jorge, were the main protection for Giancana’s stay in Mexico.

[Frank]

What's interesting is if Giancana didn't have his trouble with LE and remained boss. What would of happened after Ricca died. Would Accardo still have the power of the top boss or would Giancana.

[Villain]

What's interesting is if Giancana didn't have his trouble with LE and remained boss. What would of happened after Ricca died. Would Accardo still have the power of the top boss or would Giancana.

Ricca was an old timer, Accardo was in the middle and wanted to keep everything safe, while Giancana had a vision for the Outfits future and if he remained as boss, theres a great possibility that he wouldve transformed the Chicago mob into something similar such as todays Mexican Cartels or the Italian Ndrangheta, and so I believe that he couldve possibly return as the boss. Even Nicoletti predicted the same thing, meaning if the Outfit didnt get involved in larger quantities of dope, other gangs were going to take over the racket and thats what really happened. The U.S. Mob had all the connections to become the worlds biggest dope trafficking organization but they made a mistake by not being completely involved .

[Confederate]

Giancana and Accardo would have worked together as the top two Bosses, That's all. There's no need for competition. The guy that would have probably been complaining all the time to Accardo would have been Cerone.

[Villain]

Giancana and Accardo would have worked together as the top two Bosses, That's all. There's no need for competition. The guy that would have probably been complaining all the time to Accardo would have been Cerone.

Agreed

[Confederate]

Giancana and Accardo would have worked together as the top two Bosses, That's all. There's no need for competition. The guy that would have probably been complaining all the time to Accardo would have been Cerone.

Agreed

In fact, despite some of Giancana's flaws, many people will argue that the Outfit was at Its peak power under him and all those Taylor St. guys. His biggest problem was that he fell in love with Phyllis McGuire and spent too much time going out of town. I remember reading that he wanted to kill the F.B.I agent Bill Roemerr but Ricca & Accardo over ruled him. This was according to Roemer who many times embellished things. I don't remember though if Roemer actaully had this on tape or if we just have to "take his word for it". Myabe someone else remembers exactly how Roemer came up with that story. It caould be true because Giancana hated him. Roemer did initiate that "lockstep" program where a couple of agents were following Giancana all the time very closely 24/7, A definite harassment tactic.

[Villain]

Giancana and Accardo would have worked together as the top two Bosses, That's all. There's no need for competition. The guy that would have probably been complaining all the time to Accardo would have been Cerone.

Agreed

In fact, despite some of Giancana's flaws, many people will argue that the Outfit was at Its peak power under him and all those Taylor St. guys. His biggest problem was that he fell in love with Phyllis McGuire and spent too much time going out of town. I remember reading that he wanted to kill the F.B.I agent Bill Roemerr but Ricca & Accardo over ruled him. This was according to Roemer who many times embellished things. I don't remember though if Roemer actaully had this on tape or if we just have to "take his word for it". Myabe someone else remembers exactly how Roemer came up with that story. It caould be true because Giancana hated him. Roemer did initiate that "lockstep" program where a couple of agents were following Giancana all the time very closely 24/7, A definite harassment tactic.

During his reign as boss or until 1964, besides the U.S., the Outfit also managed to spread some of their operations in Costa Rica and Guatemala, Cayman Islands, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, the Bahamas, Venezuela, Peru, Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador, Mexico, Western Europe, the Middle East, Japan and Australia. So yeah, he obviously brought the Outfit to its peak and to tell you the truth I dont blame him for his extreme life style, since he obviously deserved it. The feds already knew about the national syndicate and so what was the point in taking a lower profile?! Ricca took a low profile since the late 1940's and still, he landed in jail for the second time and later almost got deported so he had to "unknowingly" testify against Cerone so the old man can avoid jail. On top of that, even with all the heat, Giancana still managed to be the boss for almost 8 years, which I highly doubt that anyone else would've done it while being in his shoes at the time. The feds simply began using original "Gestapo" tactics, since it was their only "legal" weapon against him at the time, as for Roemer, he unknowingly drank DeStefano's piss at the time so fuck him, since he was also known for telling fishermen stories because he was greatly mad and deeply hated these guys...but on the other hand he almost made Accardo a "hero" lol I mean what do you expect from a guy who half of his life followed these guys and later wrote a second but fictional book on the Outfit, meaning the guy obviously had some skills on writing fantasy or inventing stuff lol For example I had hard time in telling some people that the Outfit never killed Moe Dalitz or something like that lol

[Confederate]

Roemer is what I would call a very biased writer. He's like the liberal fake news media on television. Instead of writing about these guys as they actually were in real life, he would downgrade people he intensely disliked like Giancana, DeStefano, Alderisio & Spilotro but would make heroes out of his boyfriend Accardo, Humphreys, Pierce & Blasi. NOT JOURNALISM anymore but biased self promoting writing. That is what I disliked about him along with his fantasy dialogues he created. lol

[Villain]

Roemer is what I would call a very biased writer. He's like the liberal fake news media on television. Instead of writing about these guys as they actually were in real life, he would downgrade people he intensely disliked like Giancana, DeStefano, Alderisio & Spilotro but would make heroes out of his boyfriend Accardo, Humphreys, Pierce & Blasi. NOT JOURNALISM anymore but biased self promoting writing. That is what I disliked about him along with his fantasy dialogues he created. lol

Spot on regarding Roemer's character as a writer lol


Maybe this is a little bit stupid but if you count the number of Outfit-related murders throughout the 1940's and early 50's, you might notice that it was on a high level and that was the same period when Accardo was the boss. But if you count the Outfit-related murders from the mid 50's until the mid 1960's, you'll notice that the number is much lower than the previous and thats when Giancana was the boss. After that when Accardo replaced Ricca at the top during the 1970's and 80s, he obviously reached the same number of hits as the one during Prohibition, by previously adding his contracts from the 1940's lol My point is that Accardo was a gambler and real ruthless gangster, hence his nickname Joe Batters, while Ricca was a hidden psychopath who went to the operas, cried on baptisms and kissed babies, and also helped people to build their criminal or legit careers. As for Giancana, he was the egoistic "Lucky Luciano" type of a guy who constantly and lavishly enjoyed the fruits of life and never missed a chance to make money whatever place he stepped foot on

[Confederate]

Most all of the old 42 gang formed the nucleus of the Outfit under Giancana. They were the "Young Turks" who basically took over in my opinion with the blessing of Ricca. Giancana dealt with those Taylor St. men directly even if most of them were under Battaglia or someone else. He never lost touch with them.