5 years late / D'Arco book

[TommyNoto]

Same as the Pappadio murder.... by the time D'Arco hit him on the head 5 times he could've just shot him once. Less pain and fear for Pappadio, easier for D'Arco, and no clean up for Avellino lol. The whole episode is absurd.
As I say, probably all harder than it looks!

Is there any info about if Pappadio had taken over the Family as defacto boss.

no, but it mentioned his brother had done the same or was floated as a candidate when Lucchese himself died and Corrallo, Tramunti, et. al. were fighting cases. by the time Mike Pappadio was killed (in the book) he was basically legit -well, quasi legit- running whatever he had left in the garment center.

i thought the d'arco book was one of the better mob books there was, especially in the snitch-biography sub genre. i loved reading about the old new york...places and the culture of the city that was long gone before i was born. d'arco's memory when it came to those type of things was insane

re: the "hotel hit" - kinda crazy these guys would plan to stage a fake meeting and kill one or two people in the middle of a midtown hotel. seems retarded, but then again the higher ups at that time had a "by any means necessary" mentality. i dont know what to believe

That garment district business had a huge shylocking operation, basically a massive annuity . My guess is that's what the top guys goal was above all

damn, that makes sense. plus running shops and having a legit income source. had to be one of the best rackets in NY.

its a shame. i know with globalization and the de-industrialization of new york a lot of the garment center stuff is gone, but honestly guys like Pappadio et. al. probably had something to do with speeding up the demise. all the shit these guys were chiseling from, the costs got passed to the consumer. i love reading about these guys but jesus, they made NYC a very difficult place to live. lol

The reality was all those garment businesses were the sundae but that Shylock was the cherry on top . Taking over someone Shylock was hitting the jackpot. Sit on your ass and collect free $ every week for years

[Wiseguy]

its a shame. i know with globalization and the de-industrialization of new york a lot of the garment center stuff is gone, but honestly guys like Pappadio et. al. probably had something to do with speeding up the demise. all the shit these guys were chiseling from, the costs got passed to the consumer. i love reading about these guys but jesus, they made NYC a very difficult place to live. lol

Same thing happened with the mob and the NY waterfront.

[SonnyBlackstein]

The mob by nature is a parasitic organization.

It should be mutual but it usually results in the death of the host.

These guys generally don't think long term.

[gohnjotti]

These guys generally think long term.

Was that a typo?

[Teflon john]

He wasnt gonna be hit in the hotel,LCN doesnt want an audience around for a murder,they want as few of people around as possible when they whack somebody. They will dig up a body and move it in case one of the guys involved decides to flip so you know the wasnt going to kill him in front of a bunch of people whether its 5 or 15.

[SonnyBlackstein]

These guys generally think long term.

Was that a typo?

Yup. Key word 'DON'T' fell by the wayside.

[UTC]

its a shame. i know with globalization and the de-industrialization of new york a lot of the garment center stuff is gone, but honestly guys like Pappadio et. al. probably had something to do with speeding up the demise. all the shit these guys were chiseling from, the costs got passed to the consumer. i love reading about these guys but jesus, they made NYC a very difficult place to live. lol

Same thing happened with the mob and the NY waterfront.

And the Javits Center

[newera_212]

its a shame. i know with globalization and the de-industrialization of new york a lot of the garment center stuff is gone, but honestly guys like Pappadio et. al. probably had something to do with speeding up the demise. all the shit these guys were chiseling from, the costs got passed to the consumer. i love reading about these guys but jesus, they made NYC a very difficult place to live. lol

Same thing happened with the mob and the NY waterfront.

exactly. waterfront, any form of construction, garbage collection, even possibly public works still. just about everything in NY , between the politicians and the fading but still relevant influence of wiseguys, is a huge fuckin pain in the ass. its almost a joke.

ever see that movie Find Me Guilty with Vin Diesel playing Jackie DiNorscio?

the prosecutor was going ballistic yelling about how the jury was sympathizing with these guys when they make literally everything in their lives more expensive.

at the time i just found it funny but as ive gotten older and have had to pay my own way, and also started paying more attention to how things are done in NYC, the guy was right. because of a combo of beaurocratic bullshit and archaic systems/methods these wiseguys put in place ages ago (with remnants still visible) - average joe consumer gets fucked, one way or another.

the NY TIMES has been running a ton of articles on the utter failure the MTA has become under Cuomo and other kick-the-can-down-the-road politicans. more of Albany's fault than LCN, but a recent audit of the MTA's second ave subway construction had dozens of contractors on payroll who were getting paid at least $1k a week, who were listed as present on the site...but were not accounted for, and had no names & no definable job duties. it didnt make an overt connection to LCN, but with all of the unions involved i think it wouldnt be surprising to find a handful of connected guys located inbetween the workers on the ground and the MTA suits controlling the purse strings.

the best racket / scam that D'Arco mentioned in his book was the waste dumping and landfil scams. right out in the open. between the rural PA site and the site D'Arco mentioned Gotti Junior having a peice in located in the Bronx...it really didnt get more egregious than that

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

Union corruption in the metro area (and other areas) is rampant.
Rarely gets talked about on the news. Wiseguy could post a dozen
union corruption indictments. Mob made unions bed news.

[newera_212]

Union corruption in the metro area (and other areas) is rampant.
Rarely gets talked about on the news. Wiseguy could post a dozen
union corruption indictments. Mob made unions bed news.

im not a member but some of my employees (and also a few in-laws) are members 32BJ . I dont know too much about the union, especially in regards to corruption and/or LCN, but I know the employee's reps are willing to go into arbitration over just about anything. i know it's their jobs to do so, but it really seems like 32BJ has their employees backs and doesnt seem like a bad outfit.

at various points in my life i had to pay dues to the teamsters package handling union and 1199 healthcare employees union. i hated how ridiculously strict and beaurocratic everything was and if i had a choice i wouldnt have been a member of either

even with how much has changed here its crazy how much union culture is still a huge thing.

i wish i knew the name of the union that brings out the big inflatable rat as a shakedown attempt. they did that to my old church because they decided to paint / renovate the rectory using non union labor. fuckin ridiculous

[TwoPiece]

Union corruption in the metro area (and other areas) is rampant.
Rarely gets talked about on the news. Wiseguy could post a dozen
union corruption indictments. Mob made unions bed news.

This is a real shame because unions are good for most workplaces, but they will carry that stigma for generations.

[Wiseguy]

Union corruption in the metro area (and other areas) is rampant.
Rarely gets talked about on the news. Wiseguy could post a dozen
union corruption indictments. Mob made unions bed news.

im not a member but some of my employees (and also a few in-laws) are members 32BJ . I dont know too much about the union, especially in regards to corruption and/or LCN, but I know the employee's reps are willing to go into arbitration over just about anything. i know it's their jobs to do so, but it really seems like 32BJ has their employees backs and doesnt seem like a bad outfit.

at various points in my life i had to pay dues to the teamsters package handling union and 1199 healthcare employees union. i hated how ridiculously strict and beaurocratic everything was and if i had a choice i wouldnt have been a member of either

even with how much has changed here its crazy how much union culture is still a huge thing.

i wish i knew the name of the union that brings out the big inflatable rat as a shakedown attempt. they did that to my old church because they decided to paint / renovate the rectory using non union labor. fuckin ridiculous

There's more than one union that uses that big inflatable rat. There's dozens of those rats, in fact. Most of them in New York and elsewhere on the east coast. They used one for that scene in The Sopranos when Carmine Lupertazzi shut down the joint construction project they had with Tony.

And what you said about the unions is a big reason why many businesses actually preferred dealing with the mob. With a mob-run union, they knew what they had to pay, competition would often be stifled, and they didn't have to worry about haggling with union reps.

[UTC]

32BJ, with whom I've negotiated a number of contracts on behalf of residential property owners, represents largely janitorial and other non-skilled maintenance workers. It is basically a minority and politically oriented outfit. Very different than the longshore locals and Teamsters I've dealt with for 40 years. 32BJ is not that bad to deal with by New York standards, because their reps are so lazy and untrained.