Genovese Bust Today 1/10

[JerryB]

It´s confusing about the age. I have one Vincent D´Acunto listed as an associate (in Gigante´s crew) but deceased in 2000. He´s possibly the grandfather. Obviously there´s a Vincent D´Acunto Sr and this one who was arrested (Vincent D´Acunto Jr, who very well could be 29). I also have an Angelo D´Acunto and Richard D´Acunto listed as associates but don´t know how exactly they are related.

Intreresting case. I hope this goes to trial.

Please do me a favor guys. Keep all posts related to this case in this thread. Otherwise this subject will be spread out all over the forum. Not good.

Regarding D'Acunto, Jr., he is 49, not 29, per the U.S. Attorney. (Definite typo. Sorry).

[JerryB]

If I'm not mistaken, that's the same townhouse that we've all seen that 20 year old news clip of when Chin was coming out and being "helped" to his car by Vincent and Andrew.

Great observation!

[JeremyTheJew]

does anyone know who's list the Uva's found while robbing social clubs?

[Camo]

Why is Vincent Basciano's name on the Lucchese list?

[SonnyBlackstein]

Why is Vincent Basciano's name on the Lucchese list?

Was going to ask the exact same question.

[B.]

The photocopy included two lists. The short Bonanno list was also found so they included it in the government exhibit.

To whoever said Esposito can't have rank because he was meeting with associates -- his father, supposedly the most "secretive" boss, met directly with associates as well, including turncoat Peter Savino. Many other associates have had access to high-ranking members in that family, just a few examples: Angelo Ponte, Tommy Cafaro (even after his father flipped), Carmine Franco and Cookie D'Urso. It could be argued that some associates have had more access to the family administration than many made members, depending on their role.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Thanks and good point B

[the chin 123]

So vincent might be a capo right ?

[Wiseguy]

I see what they did there...

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[TommyNoto]

If he owns that entire townhouse then I think the value is possible higher then $12 M

It looks to be 3 stories and a basement in a very high end area ( uptown park ave ). What a life he has

B. I referenced west side admin unlikely to be talking business with associates as IMO they learned from that Savino expierence and is a reason it will be hard for the feds to get Barney. For security reasons he is likely only discussing mafia business with Peter Red and maybe a handful of other trusted members ( family ) . My guess is Barney isn’t touching anything illegal and because of the above your not going to get him on tape . I think the Chin chose bosses that already had money and weren’t that greedy ( and is a disciplinarian ) as that is what causes tensions & bodies that draw heat and guys flipping. Barney probably doesn’t tax his guys a lot outside of x mas envelopes and probably gets a lot of his income via his legal businesses where he gets “boss” deals.

If a wiseguy doesn’t have someone fronting for him then they just aren’t going to make it in todays environment .

Now I doubt the Bonnanos are so cautious with security and it shows but the west side and possibly the Gambinos have probably tightened things up drastically to where almost no one is hearing them give orders and are very very compartmentalized like the CIA.

All obviously just a guess on my part but the west side are legit professional about their biz and I don’t see Barney putting someone in an admin role that is talking biz with associates and my guess is if someone isn’t complying with this directive then there will be consequences from Barney and I don’t see many wise guys challenging him .

[Pogo The Clown]

Yeah they don't operate that way. These guys are not that smart or sophisticated.


Pogo

[Camo]

Think that's pretty well argued but it's all about Barney. We know he's running things through Pete but Pete is obviously giving those orders down to someone and it's possible there's an UB who could be Esposito. This seems to be a big moneymaker and those associates are well entrenched in that Union; one of which's father was a longtime associate (or made? can't remember what HK said) so it wouldn't surprise me if they were dealing with a high level guy. We won't know until his rank is revealed and he absolutely could be a Capo or less but i wouldn't be surprised if he was UB.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Does anyone know when this goes to trial?

[Cheech]

The photocopy included two lists. The short Bonanno list was also found so they included it in the government exhibit.

To whoever said Esposito can't have rank because he was meeting with associates -- his father, supposedly the most "secretive" boss, met directly with associates as well, including turncoat Peter Savino. Many other associates have had access to high-ranking members in that family, just a few examples: Angelo Ponte, Tommy Cafaro (even after his father flipped), Carmine Franco and Cookie D'Urso. It could be argued that some associates have had more access to the family administration than many made members, depending on their role.

Watts. Very close to JG

[B.]

The photocopy included two lists. The short Bonanno list was also found so they included it in the government exhibit.

To whoever said Esposito can't have rank because he was meeting with associates -- his father, supposedly the most "secretive" boss, met directly with associates as well, including turncoat Peter Savino. Many other associates have had access to high-ranking members in that family, just a few examples: Angelo Ponte, Tommy Cafaro (even after his father flipped), Carmine Franco and Cookie D'Urso. It could be argued that some associates have had more access to the family administration than many made members, depending on their role.

Watts. Very close to JG

For sure. Just about every boss going back to the earliest known mafia bosses in the US interacted with associates. Look at the Morello/Lupo counterfeiting case. I'm sure Christie or someone could give us other examples in the early US and Sicily.