Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017

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Re: Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017

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Frank wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:21 pm
Frank wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:07 pm
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Frank wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:25 pm Nice job Villian I was curious to why you started at 1928. Also isn't Cataudella the current Underboss??
I started from 1928, since allegedly thats the year when the Capone Mob was officialy recognized as a part from one NY clan, which in fact was the Masseria aka Luciano aka Genovese family and that same connection lasted for almost a century. It is also possible that in 1932 or 33, the Capone Mob was recognized as a seperate crime family and became known as the Outfit. So we cannot include the previous clans, especially all Sicilian, since the Capone mob was created by three or four previous clans such as Colossimos, Espositos, Robertos and Gennas, which is the only Sicilian clan

So first question would be on whos the present boss or chief executive for the Outfit? And the second question would be, what are we going to do with the underboss position from 2002 onward?
As for current most of the info I've seen says that Delaurentis is the current top boss, and Vena is Chief executive, with Cataudella and DiAmico as underboss and Consigliere
All the info I've seen has Addriacchi listed as Underboss from 2003 to 2009, when he retired or semi-retired due to cancer. I think it was in 2014 he reportedly came out of retirement to either take the top boss position or share it with DiFronzo and help groom Delaurentis as boss. Another report had him replacing DiAmico as Consigliere for awhile to help in the SolleyD transition. Don't know if he is active or not now And I really don't know where all this info originated from. I guess we could go with Addriacchi as underboss, followed by Cataudella seeing there is nothing besides that info out there.
I have trouble seeing andriacchi as sarnos underboss those guys are miles apart. The stuff that I saw that said andriacchi was underboss in that time frame was also claiming difronzo was boss at that point. Most of that info was speculated on by news sources before it came out years later that sarno and cataudella were actually boss and underboss at that point. I know this shit gets confusing lol. Also tornabene was acting for marcello not difronzo not sure if someone pointed that out already
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Re: Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017

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Didn't someone post Paul Ricca's activities that we're in Merry Farrell and they were quite extensive for a man that was supposedly retired for 10 to 15 years before that. It wasn't that the former boss retired. It was another layer of protection for them. Also they wanted law enforcement to think they retired. Accardo retired in the 1950s but was active still in the 1970s and probably the 1980s But I'm open to thinking that they might have changed things over the years. Also doesn't it depend on how hands on or hands off a mafia boss Is in any family. Wasn't Lucchese more famous and out in the open than Gagliano. I'm not saying you guys are wrong. Since I've been reading and looking into these mafia leadership histories especially the Outfit after Capone nothing is 100 percent.
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I guess it depends on how you define retired. That article on Scott's site had Andriacchi or DiFronzo (can't remember which) weighing in in the Zizzo situation. Maybe Sarno wanted approval before offing a guy that high? I don't know. Maybe we will find out in 20 years when we can get ahold of some more files lol.
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Yes wasn't it Zizzo was going to meeting or sit-down of dispute with Sarno with Addriacchi as the mediator. Wasn't it implied that Vena who is a relative of Addriacchi was involved on Addriacchi's orders. They must of told Marcello, because he even told Zizzo to back off. What was Zizzo thinking of taking the new boss to a sit-down or a meeting. Law enforcement said that Zizzo had been mis identified as Underboss. I think they said he was capo of Melrose Park.
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Carlisi and Chiaramonti were both dead and Marcello was getting ready to go to trial for his life, so Zizzo was essentially alone. Sarno had the upper hand because he and Cataudella were basically stepping into a huge void as far as the western suburbs were concerned because basically every top guy in the area was locked up. They took advantage of that.
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Snakes wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:22 pm Carlisi and Chiaramonti were both dead and Marcello was getting ready to go to trial for his life, so Zizzo was essentially alone. Sarno had the upper hand because he and Cataudella were basically stepping into a huge void as far as the western suburbs were concerned because basically every top guy in the area was locked up. They took advantage of that.
Thats a good explanation
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Also dont forget guys that if a former boss wasnt deadly sick, imprisoned for life or shelved or even brought back to the position of a crew boss, then this person will remain as the top guy or at least some sort of top adviser who will be consult on huge matters. There wasnt even one Chicago top boss who was jailed for the rest of his life, except for Aiuppa, and Pete gave a good example with the Accardo situation, or maybe even the Spilotro murders. There were obviously bosses who dropped like flies from heart attacks or cancers such as Campagna, Capezio or Ferraro (who wwouldve succeeded Giancana if he didnt die), and they even brought back some of em to crew bosses positions. I know that most of the historians wont agree with me but that situation happened to Giancana and even to Accardo but never to Ricca.
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Also we 're almost finishing the chart, except for the Marco D'Amico situation which makes things even more confusing

And here are some interesting facts regarding the Outfit's top bosses and how they labeled their top administration...

In this one you can read what I previously said and dont get confused by Rocco Fischetti's name since the informant possibly didnt know the real reason behind his retirement: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 3&tab=page

This one is the same which I previously sent regarding the style of labeling the top bosses: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 1&tab=page

And this info comes from one informant who never heard the soldier or caporegime names around the Midwest families (pls start reading from the previous page): https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... ue_chicago

Giancana using the word "clique" to describe a certain Outfit racketeer known as Joe Fusco as a made member: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... ue_chicago
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Re: Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017

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Villain wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:24 am Also we 're almost finishing the chart, except for the Marco D'Amico situation which makes things even more confusing

And here are some interesting facts regarding the Outfit's top bosses and how they labeled their top administration...

In this one you can read what I previously said and dont get confused by Rocco Fischetti's name since the informant possibly didnt know the real reason behind his retirement: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 3&tab=page

This one is the same which I previously sent regarding the style of labeling the top bosses: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 1&tab=page

And this info comes from one informant who never heard the soldier or caporegime names around the Midwest families (pls start reading from the previous page): https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... ue_chicago

Giancana using the word "clique" to describe a certain Outfit racketeer known as Joe Fusco as a made member: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... ue_chicago
That's great stuff. I find it interesting that the informant has Campagnia as top boss, then Ricca following him. Also the Accardo not being made is interesting, but I don't believe that. But I have read a few things that stated someone shot at Accardo or Giancana shot at Accardo's home. That it was sanctioned by Ricca, because Accardo wouldn't step down. I assume that had something to do with the horsemeat.racket.
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Frank wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:50 am
Villain wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:24 am Also we 're almost finishing the chart, except for the Marco D'Amico situation which makes things even more confusing

And here are some interesting facts regarding the Outfit's top bosses and how they labeled their top administration...

In this one you can read what I previously said and dont get confused by Rocco Fischetti's name since the informant possibly didnt know the real reason behind his retirement: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 3&tab=page

This one is the same which I previously sent regarding the style of labeling the top bosses: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 1&tab=page

And this info comes from one informant who never heard the soldier or caporegime names around the Midwest families (pls start reading from the previous page): https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... ue_chicago

Giancana using the word "clique" to describe a certain Outfit racketeer known as Joe Fusco as a made member: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... ue_chicago
That's great stuff. I find it interesting that the informant has Campagnia as top boss, then Ricca following him. Also the Accardo not being made is interesting, but I don't believe that. But I have read a few things that stated someone shot at Accardo or Giancana shot at Accardo's home. That it was sanctioned by Ricca, because Accardo wouldn't step down. I assume that had something to do with the horsemeat.racket.
Most of the info regarding their hierarchy is wrong but my main point was the labeling. And yeah, something went down after the horse meat scandal and me and Antiliar had that same conversation some time ago, in which he stated that the bullet that went over Accardo's head, while he had a meeting near or in some car, wasnt meant for him bit instead allegedly it came from some nearby family brawl. Even if this is true, still it is quite strange coincidence since according to a couple of records, Accardo really began having problems after the scandal and I personally believe that after that he was replaced by his mentor Tony Capezio, and I also believe that Accardo was possibly brought back to the crew boss position, since again many records stated that Ricca was "The Man", meaning single top boss, from 1955 or after Campagna's death until 1958 or 59, or until his imprisonment. For a couple of years, Giancana had some "more than the usual" type of an independent rulership and Cerone succeeded Accardo as boss of the Elmwood Park crew, since he, meaning Accardo previously also had new legal problems, which lasted until 1962 or 63.
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Villain wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:24 am Also we 're almost finishing the chart, except for the Marco D'Amico situation which makes things even more confusing

And here are some interesting facts regarding the Outfit's top bosses and how they labeled their top administration...

In this one you can read what I previously said and dont get confused by Rocco Fischetti's name since the informant possibly didnt know the real reason behind his retirement: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 3&tab=page

This one is the same which I previously sent regarding the style of labeling the top bosses: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 1&tab=page

And this info comes from one informant who never heard the soldier or caporegime names around the Midwest families (pls start reading from the previous page): https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... ue_chicago

Giancana using the word "clique" to describe a certain Outfit racketeer known as Joe Fusco as a made member: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... ue_chicago
Villain thanks for the great info and links.
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Pete wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:08 pm
Frank wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:21 pm
Frank wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:07 pm
Villain wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:38 pm
Frank wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:25 pm Nice job Villian I was curious to why you started at 1928. Also isn't Cataudella the current Underboss??
I started from 1928, since allegedly thats the year when the Capone Mob was officialy recognized as a part from one NY clan, which in fact was the Masseria aka Luciano aka Genovese family and that same connection lasted for almost a century. It is also possible that in 1932 or 33, the Capone Mob was recognized as a seperate crime family and became known as the Outfit. So we cannot include the previous clans, especially all Sicilian, since the Capone mob was created by three or four previous clans such as Colossimos, Espositos, Robertos and Gennas, which is the only Sicilian clan

So first question would be on whos the present boss or chief executive for the Outfit? And the second question would be, what are we going to do with the underboss position from 2002 onward?
As for current most of the info I've seen says that Delaurentis is the current top boss, and Vena is Chief executive, with Cataudella and DiAmico as underboss and Consigliere
All the info I've seen has Addriacchi listed as Underboss from 2003 to 2009, when he retired or semi-retired due to cancer. I think it was in 2014 he reportedly came out of retirement to either take the top boss position or share it with DiFronzo and help groom Delaurentis as boss. Another report had him replacing DiAmico as Consigliere for awhile to help in the SolleyD transition. Don't know if he is active or not now And I really don't know where all this info originated from. I guess we could go with Addriacchi as underboss, followed by Cataudella seeing there is nothing besides that info out there.
I have trouble seeing andriacchi as sarnos underboss those guys are miles apart. The stuff that I saw that said andriacchi was underboss in that time frame was also claiming difronzo was boss at that point. Most of that info was speculated on by news sources before it came out years later that sarno and cataudella were actually boss and underboss at that point. I know this shit gets confusing lol. Also tornabene was acting for marcello not difronzo not sure if someone pointed that out already
Yes Pete it seems like Addriacchi is out of place as Marcello and Sarno underboss. But that's the only info out there. But maybe he was more of a groomer than a true Underboss.
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Like snakes said maybe all this will come out in the future. Also I'll agree to disagree with the statement that DiFronzo retired and had nothing to do with the outfit for the last 20 years. I believe he was the top echolon boss to a couple or 3 years ago. He was well insulated. That's my opinion.
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Here's a timeline for consideration:

1999-2001: Sarno and Zizzo are released from prison. Sarno became boss of Cicero and Zizzo acted as such for Melrose Park until Marcello's release from prison. Mike Spano, former boss of Cicero, was sent to prison in 2001. Al Tornabene had previously handled Melrose Park for Marcello. During this time, DiFronzo and Andriacchi are presumably in the "Ricca-Accardo" positions and John Monteleone is the boss.

2001-2003: John Monteleone dies in 2001 and is superseded by Al Tornabene, who is acting boss until Marcello's release from prison in 2003. Meanwhile, Sarno and Zizzo are feuding over video poker routes.

2003-2006: Marcello is released from prison and becomes boss. He allegedly attended a sitdown with DiFronzo, Andriacchi, Zizzo, and Sarno sometime shortly after. Whatever happened at this meeting didn't last, as Marcello was locked up again in 2005. Sarno became acting boss and Zizzo disappeared. DiFronzo was still seen at this time meeting with Sarno, Zizzo, and Albert Vena, among others.

2006-2010: Sarno, during his time as acting boss, was revealed by FBI informants as kicking up to DiFronzo.

2010-Present: DiFronzo completely removed himself from Outfit affairs during this time period. His health has been documented as the main reason why, with many unofficially saying he is suffering from dementia. His brother Peter is looking after any remaining affairs for his brother. Sarno was imprisoned in 2010 and Salvatore DeLaurentis has been alleged to have taken over as boss. Andriacchi has been cited by some as being the sole "senior-level" Outfit member. Some include Marco D'Amico in this group as he has been referred to in CCC sources as "consligliere", traditionally a senior-level advisory position belonging to a semi-retired Outfit member, typically a former boss.
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That's a great breakdown of the whole thing. But with Addriacchi in the senior role with DiFronzo that leaves a hole with the Underboss position till 2009. Cataudella could have taken the position when Sarno took over for Marcello.
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