Present Day Chicago Outfit

[Snakes]

Yeah, Nick did say there were three men in the basement that he didn't recognize, one of who had glasses. Fosco said one was Lee Magnafichi, but then again he said the house was Magnafichi's brother-in-law's. A reporter for ABC interviewed the feds and asked about this house since so many people in an Outfit Facebook group were mentioning this as a fact and the agent said that they eliminated that house as the Spilotro murder location.

Anyway, the Nick C comment is interesting in that he didn't know three guys, who were presumably all made and fairly high ranking if they were involved here. Goes to show that made guys don't know all the other made guys in a family, or at least not in this instance. He initially thought one was Rocky Infelise, but that was a mistake as he didn't get a good look at the three.

I would imagine that the feds showed a photo lineup to Nick in the hopes that he could identify the three and maybe he did. But if they declined to prosecute DiFronzo or Marino for their involvement, they obviously didn't do it if he did recognize them. They wouldn't have any reason to release the names, either.

[Frank]

I've heard the Heights guys mentioned,but wasn't it a Cicero guy that got whacked for botching the burial of the Spilotro.

[Pete]

I've heard the Heights guys mentioned,but wasn't it a Cicero guy that got whacked for botching the burial of the Spilotro.

That was actually not true. The story for many years was fecaratta was whacked for botching the burial. According to calabrese it had nothing to do with that but a list of things like abandoning the spilotro hit attempt in Vegas, not paying difronzo for a car he bought, and a few other things. Albert toccos wife testified he was worried ferriola was gonna have him killed for botching the burial and hid in Florida until ferriola sent word it was ok and he came back. Albert tocco, nick guzzino, and Albert rovario buried the spilotro brothers. Dominick Palermo was also involved. All Chicago heights guys

[Frank]

I've heard the Heights guys mentioned,but wasn't it a Cicero guy that got whacked for botching the burial of the Spilotro.

That was actually not true. The story for many years was fecaratta was whacked for botching the burial. According to calabrese it had nothing to do with that but a list of things like abandoning the spilotro hit attempt in Vegas, not paying difronzo for a car he bought, and a few other things. Albert toccos wife testified he was worried ferriola was gonna have him killed for botching the burial and hid in Florida until ferriola sent word it was ok and he came back. Albert tocco, nick guzzino, and Albert rovario buried the spilotro brothers. Dominick Palermo was also involved. All Chicago heights guys

Ok thanks buddy.

[Frank]

I wonder what position Ferriola had. He seemed to have some position of authority. But I think everyone now adays agrees he never was the boss. I began to think he was underboss, but everything I read has DiFronzo as underboss. Maybe they added another layer of protection after Aiuppa and Cerone went away.

[Snakes]

Ferriola was already pretty ill even before the bosses went away. I think it had a major influence on him not holding any type of higher position although I think it was always earmarked for Carlisi.

[Frank]

Ferriola was already pretty ill even before the bosses went away. I think it had a major influence on him not holding any type of higher position although I think it was always earmarked for Carlisi.

I had read an old newspaper article on the internet that claimed that Aiuppa was ill in I believe 1979. Cerone was acting boss while Aiuppa recovered. In that time Ferriola was promoted to a high position of being in charge of all Outfit gambling. Can't remember which paper it was. Basically the article states that Ferriola was ranked right below Aiuppa and Cerone. But I've never heard any other info about this.

[Snakes]

Angelini and Cortina kicked up to Ferriola and they had the biggest book in the city. This also around the time they really started cracking down on independent bookmakers, especially in the suburbs. The other crews definitely had their own sportsbooks, though.

[Frank]

Angelini and Cortina kicked up to Ferriola and they had the biggest book in the city. This also around the time they really started cracking down on independent bookmakers, especially in the suburbs. The other crews definitely had their own sportsbooks, though.

Yes the news article definitely true, but we don't know how accurate. But interestingly enough didn't Nick Calebrese testify that Ferriola was direct with the bosses. If true maybe there was another high up member that was in charge of the other half of the gambling. Maybe like two overall bosses of Outfit gambling or maybe the gambling had more of these type of bosses that we're in charge of divided up territories. Like separate bosses that we're in charge of strictly just gambling. This is just guessing on my part. But the article does open up some interesting thought.

[Pete]

Angelini and Cortina kicked up to Ferriola and they had the biggest book in the city. This also around the time they really started cracking down on independent bookmakers, especially in the suburbs. The other crews definitely had their own sportsbooks, though.

Yes the news article definitely true, but we don't know how accurate. But interestingly enough didn't Nick Calebrese testify that Ferriola was direct with the bosses. If true maybe there was another high up member that was in charge of the other half of the gambling. Maybe like two overall bosses of Outfit gambling or maybe the gambling had more of these type of bosses that we're in charge of divided up territories. Like separate bosses that we're in charge of strictly just gambling. This is just guessing on my part. But the article does open up some interesting thought.

I'll have look through the testimony again but if I recall correctly they asked nick what ferriola position was and he said he was a money maker and leader of the wild bunch, didn't identify him as any kind of boss beyond that. It's weird though because there must have been some intel he was the boss as the FBI had him as boss at one point. Obviously we know that wasn't the case but still a weird situation. Seems he was at least Cicero boss as all the guys like infelise, Marino, delaurentis, etc all reported to him

[Frank]

Angelini and Cortina kicked up to Ferriola and they had the biggest book in the city. This also around the time they really started cracking down on independent bookmakers, especially in the suburbs. The other crews definitely had their own sportsbooks, though.

Yes the news article definitely true, but we don't know how accurate. But interestingly enough didn't Nick Calebrese testify that Ferriola was direct with the bosses. If true maybe there was another high up member that was in charge of the other half of the gambling. Maybe like two overall bosses of Outfit gambling or maybe the gambling had more of these type of bosses that we're in charge of divided up territories. Like separate bosses that we're in charge of strictly just gambling. This is just guessing on my part. But the article does open up some interesting thought.

I'll have look through the testimony again but if I recall correctly they asked nick what ferriola position was and he said he was a money maker and leader of the wild bunch, didn't identify him as any kind of boss beyond that. It's weird though because there must have been some intel he was the boss as the FBI had him as boss at one point. Obviously we know that wasn't the case but still a weird situation. Seems he was at least Cicero boss as all the guys like infelise, Marino, delaurentis, etc all reported to him

Also why was Tocco worried about Ferriola then if he outranked him as according to his wife's testimony.

[Snakes]

Angelini and Cortina kicked up to Ferriola and they had the biggest book in the city. This also around the time they really started cracking down on independent bookmakers, especially in the suburbs. The other crews definitely had their own sportsbooks, though.

Yes the news article definitely true, but we don't know how accurate. But interestingly enough didn't Nick Calebrese testify that Ferriola was direct with the bosses. If true maybe there was another high up member that was in charge of the other half of the gambling. Maybe like two overall bosses of Outfit gambling or maybe the gambling had more of these type of bosses that we're in charge of divided up territories. Like separate bosses that we're in charge of strictly just gambling. This is just guessing on my part. But the article does open up some interesting thought.

I'll have look through the testimony again but if I recall correctly they asked nick what ferriola position was and he said he was a money maker and leader of the wild bunch, didn't identify him as any kind of boss beyond that. It's weird though because there must have been some intel he was the boss as the FBI had him as boss at one point. Obviously we know that wasn't the case but still a weird situation. Seems he was at least Cicero boss as all the guys like infelise, Marino, delaurentis, etc all reported to him

Also why was Tocco worried about Ferriola then if he outranked him as according to his wife's testimony.

Ferriola may have been in some type of position between Cerone and the capos; on a higher level than the others but reporting only to the bosses. Maybe he had several crews reporting to him, like the Cortina bookmaking crew, the Wild Bunch, and later, the Infelise crew up in Lake County. You also had the Bastones. Perhaps Ferriola was the conduit between those groups and the bosses and was in charge of managing all of their affairs.

[Frank]

Angelini and Cortina kicked up to Ferriola and they had the biggest book in the city. This also around the time they really started cracking down on independent bookmakers, especially in the suburbs. The other crews definitely had their own sportsbooks, though.

Yes the news article definitely true, but we don't know how accurate. But interestingly enough didn't Nick Calebrese testify that Ferriola was direct with the bosses. If true maybe there was another high up member that was in charge of the other half of the gambling. Maybe like two overall bosses of Outfit gambling or maybe the gambling had more of these type of bosses that we're in charge of divided up territories. Like separate bosses that we're in charge of strictly just gambling. This is just guessing on my part. But the article does open up some interesting thought.

I'll have look through the testimony again but if I recall correctly they asked nick what ferriola position was and he said he was a money maker and leader of the wild bunch, didn't identify him as any kind of boss beyond that. It's weird though because there must have been some intel he was the boss as the FBI had him as boss at one point. Obviously we know that wasn't the case but still a weird situation. Seems he was at least Cicero boss as all the guys like infelise, Marino, delaurentis, etc all reported to him

Also why was Tocco worried about Ferriola then if he outranked him as according to his wife's testimony.

Ferriola may have been in some type of position between Cerone and the capos; on a higher level than the others but reporting only to the bosses. Maybe he had several crews reporting to him, like the Cortina bookmaking crew, the Wild Bunch, and later, the Infelise crew up in Lake County. You also had the Bastones. Perhaps Ferriola was the conduit between those groups and the bosses and was in charge of managing all of their affairs.

Yes Snakes I think your on to something. That has to be it. He obviously had to rank pretty high in the organization and served his purpose of another layer of protection for the top bosses.

[Attaboi 1]

Snakes I think I asked u this before, but what became of carmine bastone and his sons?

[Confederate]

Angelini and Cortina kicked up to Ferriola and they had the biggest book in the city. This also around the time they really started cracking down on independent bookmakers, especially in the suburbs. The other crews definitely had their own sportsbooks, though.

Yes the news article definitely true, but we don't know how accurate. But interestingly enough didn't Nick Calebrese testify that Ferriola was direct with the bosses. If true maybe there was another high up member that was in charge of the other half of the gambling. Maybe like two overall bosses of Outfit gambling or maybe the gambling had more of these type of bosses that we're in charge of divided up territories. Like separate bosses that we're in charge of strictly just gambling. This is just guessing on my part. But the article does open up some interesting thought.

I'll have look through the testimony again but if I recall correctly they asked nick what ferriola position was and he said he was a money maker and leader of the wild bunch, didn't identify him as any kind of boss beyond that. It's weird though because there must have been some intel he was the boss as the FBI had him as boss at one point. Obviously we know that wasn't the case but still a weird situation. Seems he was at least Cicero boss as all the guys like infelise, Marino, delaurentis, etc all reported to him

Also why was Tocco worried about Ferriola then if he outranked him as according to his wife's testimony.

Ferriola may have been in some type of position between Cerone and the capos; on a higher level than the others but reporting only to the bosses. Maybe he had several crews reporting to him, like the Cortina bookmaking crew, the Wild Bunch, and later, the Infelise crew up in Lake County. You also had the Bastones. Perhaps Ferriola was the conduit between those groups and the bosses and was in charge of managing all of their affairs.

Yes Snakes I think your on to something. That has to be it. He obviously had to rank pretty high in the organization and served his purpose of another layer of protection for the top bosses.

No need to invent some special position for Ferriola. If you read the Court Transcripts from the "Good Ship Lollipop" case, it states that Ferriola was the Boss of the Cicero crew. there are other Court cases that talk about Cortina- Angelini subcrew being partnered with Ferriola.
The Cicero Crew, like the others, had sub crews headed by a made guys with which Ferriola was partnered. Infelice, Cortina-Angelini etc.
He was a Crew Boss just like the other Crew Bosses. I fail to see the mystery in it.