Rochester LCN

[Frank]

With Lonardo testimony that Salerno was boss in 1976. Maybe he was part of that ruling panel that was installed when Tieri was indicted and ill.

[Pogo The Clown]

Lonardo never said Salerno was Boss in 1976. Only that was who they dealt with. He ID Tieri as the Boss during this period. Here is his testimony.

In 1976, John Scalish died, and at a meeting at Scalish's house, Rockman told me and Jack Licavoli, who is also known as Jack White, that Scalish's wishes were that Licavoli become "boss" of our family. At first, Licavoli did not want the job, but I told him to take it, as those were Scalish's wishes. Later, Licavoli made Leo Moceri his underboss and Tony DelSanter his consigliere. One day, I asked Licavoli if he had gone to New York and introduced himself to Tony Salerno as boss of the family. Licavoli said no, and that he did not know that he had to do this. I told him that it was only right, out of respect, since the Genovese family represents us, Cleveland, on the Commission. After this conversation, Licavoli went to New York to introduce himself as boss of our family.


Later, in 1976, Leo Moceri was murdered. Moceri had been murdered on the orders of John Nardi. I became underboss after Moceri's death. After Licavoli named me underboss, he and I traveled to New York to introduce me to Salerno as underboss of the Cleveland family. I had known Tony Salerno since the 1940s, and out of respect for him and the Genovese family, it was proper to let them know of my appointment.

Since the Genovese family represents the Cleveland family on the Commission, I have traveled to New York on several occasions to discuss family business. As I stated earlier, in 1976, Licavoli and I traveled to New York to pay respects to Tony Salerno as the underboss of the Cleveland family. In 1976, after the murder of Moceri, Licavoli and I went to New York to talk to Salerno to obtain his help in murdering Danny Greene and John Nardi. Nardi and Greene had taken a trip to New York to see Paul Castellano about a meat business. Salerno agreed to speak to Castellano and to have Nardi and Greene murdered on their next trip to New York. Nardi and Greene never made a second trip to New York, so New York never helped in their murders. In 1977, Licavoli and I traveled to New York City to see Salerno and requested permission to "make" 10 new members into the Cleveland family. Salerno granted our request and told us if we needed any more members just to let him know. Whenever we wanted to contact Salerno, we would go through "Peanuts" Tronolone (John). Tronolone was close to Salerno and the Genovese family and held the position of Consigliere in the Cleveland family while I was the underboss. Tronolone once jokingly told me that he considered himself a member of both the Genovese family as well as the Cleveland family.

Salerno was acting boss of the Genovese family in the late 1970s as the boss, Funzi Tieri, was sick. Salerno once told Licavoli and me that when Funzi died, he would become boss of the Genovese family.

[Stroccos]

Lonardo never said Salerno was Boss in 1976. Only that was who they dealt with. He ID Tieri as the Boss during this period. Here is his testimony.

In 1976, John Scalish died, and at a meeting at Scalish's house, Rockman told me and Jack Licavoli, who is also known as Jack White, that Scalish's wishes were that Licavoli become "boss" of our family. At first, Licavoli did not want the job, but I told him to take it, as those were Scalish's wishes. Later, Licavoli made Leo Moceri his underboss and Tony DelSanter his consigliere. One day, I asked Licavoli if he had gone to New York and introduced himself to Tony Salerno as boss of the family. Licavoli said no, and that he did not know that he had to do this. I told him that it was only right, out of respect, since the Genovese family represents us, Cleveland, on the Commission. After this conversation, Licavoli went to New York to introduce himself as boss of our family.


Later, in 1976, Leo Moceri was murdered. Moceri had been murdered on the orders of John Nardi. I became underboss after Moceri's death. After Licavoli named me underboss, he and I traveled to New York to introduce me to Salerno as underboss of the Cleveland family. I had known Tony Salerno since the 1940s, and out of respect for him and the Genovese family, it was proper to let them know of my appointment.

Since the Genovese family represents the Cleveland family on the Commission, I have traveled to New York on several occasions to discuss family business. As I stated earlier, in 1976, Licavoli and I traveled to New York to pay respects to Tony Salerno as the underboss of the Cleveland family. In 1976, after the murder of Moceri, Licavoli and I went to New York to talk to Salerno to obtain his help in murdering Danny Greene and John Nardi. Nardi and Greene had taken a trip to New York to see Paul Castellano about a meat business. Salerno agreed to speak to Castellano and to have Nardi and Greene murdered on their next trip to New York. Nardi and Greene never made a second trip to New York, so New York never helped in their murders. In 1977, Licavoli and I traveled to New York City to see Salerno and requested permission to "make" 10 new members into the Cleveland family. Salerno granted our request and told us if we needed any more members just to let him know. Whenever we wanted to contact Salerno, we would go through "Peanuts" Tronolone (John). Tronolone was close to Salerno and the Genovese family and held the position of Consigliere in the Cleveland family while I was the underboss. Tronolone once jokingly told me that he considered himself a member of both the Genovese family as well as the Cleveland family.

Salerno was acting boss of the Genovese family in the late 1970s as the boss, Funzi Tieri, was sick. Salerno once told Licavoli and me that when Funzi died, he would become boss of the Genovese family.

Acting boss isn't a boss ? Don't matter acting or not bottom line is they were not represented ny the colombos

[Angelo Santino]

I've read about Rochester online and spoke to several people who delved into it. Rather than regurgitate it wikipedia summed it up:

Splitting from Buffalo[edit]
In 1964, Frank Valenti returned to Rochester with his brother Stan, and Pittsburgh associate Angelo Vaccaro. Frank became an associate in the Pittsburgh crime family in John LaRocca's family. Stan Valenti was married to Antonio Ripepi's daughter, who was a capo in the Pittsburgh family. This time, Frank Valenti was taking over the Rochester family. By the end of the year, Russo went missing and his body has never been found. In 1970, Valenti wiped out the last Russo soldier Billy Lupo. Also Frank Valenti told Buffalo crime family boss Stefano "The Undertaker" Magaddino that Rochester would become an independent family. Prior to this, Rochester was just a crew which answered to the Maggadino's Buffalo crime family.

Of course how much of this is true or not remains a question. The Valenti's were Pittsburgh LCN members and I believe JCB told me that Bazzano lobbied Magaddino to allow the formation. I'm in agreement with others here that Rochester was sanctioned/formed at some some in the middle of last century, arguably the last formed American LCN group. Before that point, others have noted that Italian OC seems to have existed before the Valenti/Piccaretto LCN group.

In my own research I've encountered very little. There WAS activity as early as 1911 but no one I can confirm to be made/connected. And interestingly enough, after the counterfeiting trial of 1910 several early Morello members left for there and remained in contact with NYC at least up until the 1920's. So there were members there, but my research has lead me to more or less agree that Rochester didn't have its own homegrown group but rather expatriates from NYC, Buffalo and Pittsburgh. Arguably an open or "shared" city.

Upstate NY Italians had their own world. Besides Buffalo and Niagara Falls, there was Rochester, Jamestown, Olean, (I guess we should count Erie and Youngstown), Elmira, Syracuse, Utica, I think perhaps even Watertown, not to mention Ontario, Canada. Similar to the setup with Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Chicago and Philadelphia, "Buffalo" was a leadership hub with activity in various places. It'd be interesting to do a chart on Buffalo one day.

Thanks for the post CC. My Mother told me stories about Watertown about my Great Grandfather and Grandfather that my Dad told her, but nothing I have ever been able to confirm. Antiliar looked into if for me once but wasn't able to find much of anything definitive. Would love to know if anyone can confirm any LCN activity in Watertown.

Sorry. I haven't found anything I can connect, once again it's a case of people leaving NYC and Buffalo during legal uncertainty. Some fell off the radar, others stayed upstate until the 40's, presumably leaving their past behind. And these names I can't directly connect to anything concrete. It's not a crime to leave the city when your friends get arrested and I'm hesitant to jump to conclusions. I'm sure some felt they were in legal jeopardy but without anything further I can't assert anything. And somehow Canada plays into this, it wouldn't surprise me if Italians had their own underground railroad between the US and Canada and used it to sneak in and out given they were willing to make the trek.

What were the Watertown stories? Care to shoot me a PM? I'm not better than Antiliar but I do sometimes get lucky.

I sent you pm CC let me know if you got it not sure if I did it correctly

Yeah I got it. Never heard of any of those names. If you can PM me any DOB's, DOD's, family background it'll stay between us and Antiliar.

Walden Avenue ring any bells?

[willychichi]

Yeah I got it. Never heard of any of those names. If you can PM me any DOB's, DOD's, family background it'll stay between us and Antiliar.

Walden Avenue ring any bells?

Yes Walden Avenue is a main road that runs from Buffalo to Cheektowaga NY. I'll see my Mom on Sunday and see what info I can get from her she'll have their DOD's and maybe their DOB's and I'll get some more background info.

[Geekgang666]

There is a book out that talks more on the Rochester Mafia called:" The Rochester Mob Wars" here's a website that y'all can check out too.
http://www.therochestermobwars.com

[Angelo Santino]

There is a book out that talks more on the Rochester Mafia called:" The Rochester Mob Wars" here's a website that y'all can check out too.
http://www.therochestermobwars.com

The A & B War I believe it was dubbed by the press. Has anyone read this? Could be interesting.

Thanks, GG666.

[Geekgang666]

Yes I read the book and it's a great read I advance anybody who are interested in wanted to learn more about the alphabet wars/ Rochester Mafia you purchase the book.

[Geekgang666]

Yes I read the book and it's a great read I advance anybody who are interested in wanted to learn more about the alphabet wars/ Rochester Mafia too purchase the book.

[Geekgang666]

Here are two videos that is on YouTube that I talks more about the Rochester Mafia and the war that broke out.
https://youtu.be/4bCimSgnNuA
https://youtu.be/5IlaoRECJ8U

[Geekgang666]

Here are two videos that is on YouTube that I talks more about the Rochester Mafia and the war that broke out:
https://youtu.be/4bCimSgnNuA
https://youtu.be/5IlaoRECJ8U

[JeremyTheJew]

had anyone heard buffalino called the commision chairman or something close to that?

[JeremyTheJew]

also, furio, can u post that list you posted in gbb?

he listed all the killings in a and b wars. there is a lot. more then any other war iv seen...

besides Montreal

[furiofromnaples]

also, furio, can u post that list you posted in gbb?

he listed all the killings in a and b wars. there is a lot. more then any other war iv seen...

besides Montreal

http://gangsterreport.com/the-alphabet- ... n-70s-80s/

THE ALPHABET WARS (1972-1984)

The Rosters

The A Team

Sam (Red) Russotti

Salvatore (Sammy G) Gingello

Rene (The Painter) Piccaretto

Dick (Molly) Marino

Salvatore (Sammy Camps) Campanella — eventually joined the B Team

Salvatore (Sammy D) Di Gaetano

Eugene (Gene the Firecracker) DeFrancesco

Dominic (Trigger Dom) Taddeo

Anthony Colombo

Joe (Joey T) Trieste

John (Johnny Flap) Trivigno

Angelo (Oskie) DeMarco

Tommy Marotta

Anthony (Tony G) Gingello

Loren Piccaretto

Angelo Amico

Joseph (Joe the Hop) Rossi

Anthony (Tony Dags) D’Agostino

Nick (Bugsy the Fence) Fosco

Lou (Louie Tree Tops) Imburgia

Joseph (Joe the Genie) Geniola

Joseph (Joe Desserts) La Dolce

Anthony Oliveri

Bobby Palmiere

Lenny Stebbans

Joe (Joey Tubes) Tiraborelli

Anthony (Nippy) Arena

Joseph (Joe the Banker) Lippa

Don (Monroe Street Donnie) Paone

Orlando (Orlie P) Paone

Lou (Yamaha Louie) Santonato

Robert (Bobby Fernwood) Silveri

The B Team

Tommy Didio

Dominic (Sonny) Celestino

Charles (Charlie the Ox) Indovino

Frank (Frankie the Farmer) Frassetto

Angelo Vaccaro

Jimmy Canarozza

Rosario Chirico

Tony Chirico

Rodney Starkweather

Billy Barton

Vinnie Tobacco

Vincenzo (Vinnie the Captain) Cottone

Jimmy (Crazy Carlos) Bates

Joseph (Joe the Bowler) La Mendola

The C Team

Tommy Torpey

Tommy Taylor

Louie DiGuilo

Danny Bookles

Paul Comfort

Ray Sampson

Dino Tortarice

Jimmy & Stevie McAfee

Nicky Mastrodonato

Gerry, Tommy & Mike Pelusio

Richie Tribunella

Mario Tribunella

December 1964 - Jake Russo – The Rochester crime family’s ‘acting boss’ from 1958-1964, Russo was a top lieutenant-turned-enemy of the city’s first Godfather, Frank Valenti, and vanished in December 1964, after butting heads with Valenti in the wake of the Rochester mafia’s founding father came home from a six-year prison stint.

February 24, 1965 - Dominick Allocco was a Rochester mob figure with lengthy arrest record dating back to 1929, when arrested on charges of assault.Mmrdered on orders of Frank Valenti.

February 18, 1970 - William “Billy” Lupo sometimes driver for Frank Valenti was found slain gangland style.A week before his body was found, Lupo’s wife Jean had told police Lupo had threatened to kill her;Lupo’s estranged wife Jean was placed in witness protection program after testifying Frank Valenti had asked her too lie on his behalf in his 1972 gun trial in Arizona.

December 1970 - William T. Constable was anassociate of Frank Valenti,involved with Bar Mon Construction,was shot to death in December 1970, body found December 19.
When in January 1975 Charles Monachino began cooperating with police, he stated his brother Angelo, Frank Valenti, Albert DeCanzio, Vincent Massaro and two other men were responsible for his death, with Angelo and DeCanzio haven actually having shot Constable.

May 1972 – Rochester Godfather Frank Valenti is booted from the boss’ seat in a meeting at the Red Lion Inn with his underboss Sam (Red) Russotti and consigliere Rene (The Painter) Picarretto after Russotti and Piccaretto discover Valenti is hoarding profits from a secret stash of rackets being conducted by a local mob subunit which reported directly to him and nobody else. Russotti takes Valenti’s place as boss as Valenti leaves for exile in Arizona and is soon indicted, convicted and incarcerated on racketeering charges.

June 5, 1972 – Rochester mob soldier Dominic Chirico, a Valenti lieutenant and the leader of his secret subunit, is shot-gunned to death outside his girlfriend’s apartment building.

April 3, 1973 — Rochester mob associate Ernie White is killed, his body dumped under a local bridge, the day after he was part of a mafia armed-robbery crew that knocked off a Department of Motor Vehicles office in Irondequoit, New York

November 23, 1973 – Rochester mob enforcer Vincent (Jimmy the Hammer) Massaro, a Valenti loyalist, is killed and stuffed in the trunk of his car after bucking under the thumb of the city’s new mafia regime.

December 1974 – Rochester mafia associate William (Zeke) Zimmerman flips, leading to the flipping of soldiers Charles & Angelo Monacchino and Joe (Spike) LaNovara, a chain-reaction that results in charges being brought in the Jimmy Massaro homicide.

November 10, 1976 – Sam (Red) Russotti, his underboss Salvatore (Sammy G) Gingello, his consigliere Rene (The Painter) Piccaretto and others are convicted at trial for murdering Jimmy Massaro and sent to prison. Russotti names Tommy Didio, a bodyguard of Gingello’s, as his acting boss and their relationship strained quickly.

January 31, 1978 – Amid a massive scandal in the police department and prosecutor’s office regarding tainted and manufactured evidence in the Massaro case, Russotti, Gingello and Piccaretto have their murder convictions tossed and are set free, forming the so-called “A Team.” Refusing to get back in line behind Russotti’s regime, Didio goes underground, seeks support from an incarcerated Frank Valenti through Valenti’s brother and aide-de-camp Stan, and prepares for war as leader of the “B Team.”

April 23, 1978 – Ambitious Rochester mob underboss Salvatore (Sammy G) Gingello, 39, is killed in a car bombing in front of Ben’s Café Society Social Club after a long night of doing the town with his bodyguards, Tommy Torpey and Tommy Taylor, who survive the explosion. Dick (Molly) Marino assumed underboss duties in. Torpey and Taylor go on to start up the C Team.

Spring 1978 – The city erupts in a spat of shootings and bombings connected to the Alphabet War: a number of Russotti’s betting parlors are bombed and B Team hit man Rosario Chirico, the brother to slain Valenti hit man Dominic Chirico, survives being shot by a sniper on May 25.

July 6, 1978 – Rochester mob chief and B Team boss Tommy Didio is machine-gunned to death inside a room at the Exit 45 Motel in Victor, New York.

July 30, 1978 – Rochester mafia associate and B Team member Rodney Starkweather is shot three times and flips soon thereafter.

December 17, 1981 – Rochester mob capo and labor union leader John (Johnny Flowers) Fiorino is shot-gunned to death outside the Blue Gardenia restaurant by John (Mad Dog) Sullivan, on orders of the C Team. The Blue Gardenia was a favorite area mob haunt of that era and was owned by Rochester mafia associate Ben (Benny Manning) Managazze. Fiorino was the Teamsters vice-president in the Rochester region.

March 1982 – Members of the C Team severely beat a Red Russotti betting-parlor operator, putting him in the hospital for a month for not paying them tribute. Court records show in reaction to the assault, Russotti via Piccaretto placed open murder contracts on the C Team.

May 25, 1982 – Rochester mobster and C Team member Nick Mastrodonato is allegedly slain by A Team hit man Dominic (Trigger Dom) Taddeo.

August 26, 1982 – Rochester mobster and C Team member Gerry Pelusio is killed in a hail of shot-gun fire in an attack on him and his brother and fellow C Team affiliate Tommy Pelusio. A Team hit man Dominic Taddeo is again linked to the latter Alphabet War violence.

November 1982 – Red Russotti and Rene Piccaretto are indicted with eight other A Teamers in a wide-reaching federal racketeering case.

April 2, 1983 – Rochester mobster and C Team member Dino Tortarice is killed outside his home in another murder tied to Taddeo.

April & November 1983 – Rochester mob capo and A Team member Tommy Marotta survives attempts on his life in the spring and late fall of ‘83, with the April attack seeing him shot seven times. Marotta was Sammy Gingello’s right-hand man in the 1970s and Tommy Didio’s first cousin.

October 1984 – Red Russotti is convicted in his federal racketeering case, pulling him off the street for good. Russotti died of a heart attack in a Michigan prison hospital in June of 1993.

[JeremyTheJew]

55 killings... thats close to montreal!!!