Patriarca Family Succession

[Wiseguy]

I dont see a power struggle. they were only acting because the guy before them was gone. and there isnt much to fight over. spucky was shaking down some Moose Lodge for a fin a week. its over besides bookmaking / pills

It was about keeping mob-controlled video poker machines there rather than allow new ones from a different company brought in.

[Cheech]

Whats your point?

[Wiseguy]

Whats your point?

Just that it wasn't a shake down, per se, ie extorting the lodge or something.

[Cheech]

Extortion and shake down not the same thing? When you shake someone down, thats called extortion.

[Eddie mush]

they r still involved in shaking down bookies and underground card rooms in certain neighborhoods

[Cheech]

they r still involved in shaking down bookies and underground card rooms in certain neighborhoods

sounds lucrative

[Wiseguy]

Extortion and shake down not the same thing? When you shake someone down, thats called extortion.

Yes, those are the same thing. But that wasn't what was going on. The moose lodge itself wasn't being shaken down. A mob-connected company had it's machines in the lodge. The lodge wanted to replace them by going with a competing company that would bring in newer machines. Spagnolo, who had been receiving payments from the original company, made sure their machines were kept in the lodge. Technically speaking, extortion charges were brought (as they often are) both the mob-connected company and the lodge were sharing in the profits of the machines.

[JeremyTheJew]

The guys on the street or some of the guys in their 50's and 60's that he has anything serious on are shitting bricks. I'm sure he'll be cooperating from a protective military base for years to come.

DeLuca was high up, been in it since 1989. He's got a lot on a lot of people.

due to him getting caught lieing tho... it doesnt matter anymore what he knows bc thw deals are always if ur caught lieing; you cant be WPP

[Cheech]

Extortion and shake down not the same thing? When you shake someone down, thats called extortion.

Yes, those are the same thing. But that wasn't what was going on. The moose lodge itself wasn't being shaken down. A mob-connected company had it's machines in the lodge. The lodge wanted to replace them by going with a competing company that would bring in newer machines. Spagnolo, who had been receiving payments from the original company, made sure their machines were kept in the lodge. Technically speaking, extortion charges were brought (as they often are) both the mob-connected company and the lodge were sharing in the profits of the machines.

The new owner, authorities said in an indictment, "understood and was afraid that if Constitution did not continue to make these protection payments, the NELCN, would force constitution to remove its machines from the bars and social clubs that hosted them and permit other vendors to install their own video poker machines.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinio ... olo_busted

[Wiseguy]

Extortion and shake down not the same thing? When you shake someone down, thats called extortion.

Yes, those are the same thing. But that wasn't what was going on. The moose lodge itself wasn't being shaken down. A mob-connected company had it's machines in the lodge. The lodge wanted to replace them by going with a competing company that would bring in newer machines. Spagnolo, who had been receiving payments from the original company, made sure their machines were kept in the lodge. Technically speaking, extortion charges were brought (as they often are) both the mob-connected company and the lodge were sharing in the profits of the machines.

The new owner, authorities said in an indictment, "understood and was afraid that if Constitution did not continue to make these protection payments, the NELCN, would force constitution to remove its machines from the bars and social clubs that hosted them and permit other vendors to install their own video poker machines.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinio ... olo_busted

Yes, hence the extortion charges but they weren't shaking down the lodge itself, and that's what you originally seemed to have been saying.

As for Constitution, despite the extortion charges which legally can be brought, it's really a mutually beneficial arrangement. Not like the company is simply being shaken down for nothing in return. They are paying for protection for their machines, which is exactly what they got in this case.

[Eddie mush]

they r still involved in shaking down bookies and underground card rooms in certain neighborhoods

sounds lucrative

May not bring in millions but if i was a 70 something year old wise guy i wud rather have 5-6 guys giving. Me a Gnote A month than go get a job a market basket . Alot of these guys dont have millions stashed away like the Ny guyd snd need to keep earning .

[Cheech]

they r still involved in shaking down bookies and underground card rooms in certain neighborhoods

sounds lucrative

May not bring in millions but if i was a 70 something year old wise guy i wud rather have 5-6 guys giving. Me a Gnote A month than go get a job a market basket . Alot of these guys dont have millions stashed away like the Ny guyd snd need to keep earning .

my point was no one is going to war cause there is nothing to go to war over. and there isnt.

[Cheech]

Extortion and shake down not the same thing? When you shake someone down, thats called extortion.

Yes, those are the same thing. But that wasn't what was going on. The moose lodge itself wasn't being shaken down. A mob-connected company had it's machines in the lodge. The lodge wanted to replace them by going with a competing company that would bring in newer machines. Spagnolo, who had been receiving payments from the original company, made sure their machines were kept in the lodge. Technically speaking, extortion charges were brought (as they often are) both the mob-connected company and the lodge were sharing in the profits of the machines.

The new owner, authorities said in an indictment, "understood and was afraid that if Constitution did not continue to make these protection payments, the NELCN, would force constitution to remove its machines from the bars and social clubs that hosted them and permit other vendors to install their own video poker machines.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinio ... olo_busted

Yes, hence the extortion charges but they weren't shaking down the lodge itself, and that's what you originally seemed to have been saying.

As for Constitution, despite the extortion charges which legally can be brought, it's really a mutually beneficial arrangement. Not like the company is simply being shaken down for nothing in return. They are paying for protection for their machines, which is exactly what they got in this case.

what is mutually beneficial when you're afraid? indictment says new owners were afraid. look above. it says the new owners were afraid. if thats not shaking down someone than i must be from Utah. oh thats right.

[Wiseguy]

If you had originally said Spagnolo was shaking down a video poker company - and not a lodge the company's machines were placed in - that would have been closer to the truth. Anyway, technically it can be charged as extortion of protection payments. I'm simply saying that it was mutually beneficial because the company did have the mob supporting them against a rival company.

[Stroccos]

Extortion and shake down not the same thing? When you shake someone down, thats called extortion.

Yes, those are the same thing. But that wasn't what was going on. The moose lodge itself wasn't being shaken down. A mob-connected company had it's machines in the lodge. The lodge wanted to replace them by going with a competing company that would bring in newer machines. Spagnolo, who had been receiving payments from the original company, made sure their machines were kept in the lodge. Technically speaking, extortion charges were brought (as they often are) both the mob-connected company and the lodge were sharing in the profits of the machines.

The new owner, authorities said in an indictment, "understood and was afraid that if Constitution did not continue to make these protection payments, the NELCN, would force constitution to remove its machines from the bars and social clubs that hosted them and permit other vendors to install their own video poker machines.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinio ... olo_busted

Yes, hence the extortion charges but they weren't shaking down the lodge itself, and that's what you originally seemed to have been saying.

As for Constitution, despite the extortion charges which legally can be brought, it's really a mutually beneficial arrangement. Not like the company is simply being shaken down for nothing in return. They are paying for protection for their machines, which is exactly what they got in this case.

what is mutually beneficial when you're afraid? indictment says new owners were afraid. look above. it says the new owners were afraid. if thats not shaking down someone than i must be from Utah. oh thats right.

The only reason they paid is because it was in there best interest to pay , if they dont pay there outdated machines would of been sledgehammered and thrown in the street. LOL at them being victims of course they were scared , scared of losing money
This whole case was brought on because the guy who wanted to put his new machine in there, phone was bugged and he was talking to the moose lodge manager about the visit from Spagnolo . both told the feds they were not afraid but why didnt he move the new machines in then?