5 Families Circa 1965

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Pogo The Clown wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:17 pm Gambino:


Administration:
Boss: Carlo "Don Carlo" Gambino
UnderBoss: Joseph "Joe Bandy" Biondo (Demoted in 1965)
Aniello "Neil" Dellacroce
Consigliere: Joseph "Staten Island Joe" Riccobono


Capos:
Domenico Arcuri - Manhattan
Paul "Big Paul" Castellano – Brooklyn
Pasquale “Patsy” Conti – Brooklyn and Staten Island
Aniello "Neil" Dellacroce (Promoted to UnderBoss in 1965)/Michael “Mike Tally/The Baker” Caiazza – Manhattan and Queens
Charles “Rosario” Dongarro - Manhattan
Carmine "Charlie Wagons" Fattico – Brooklyn and Queens
Peter “Petey Pumps” Ferrara – Brooklyn, Staten Island and Trenton
Paolo "Don Paolo/Paul" Gambino – Brooklyn
Olympio “Lilo” Garafalo – Brooklyn and Manhattan
Joseph Gennaro – Brooklyn
Arthur “Chink” Leo (Died in 1965)/David “Papa Dave” Amodeo – Bronx
Luigi Morici – Baltimore
Joseph Paterno – North Jersey
Frank Perrone – North Jersey
John Riccobono – Brooklyn and Staten Island
Gaetano “Tommy” Russo – Brooklyn
Anthony “Tony the Geep” Sedotto – Bronx
Anthony Scotto – Brooklyn
Pietro “Peter” Stincone - Bronx
Giuseppe Traina/Mario Triana (Acting) – Brooklyn
Ettore "Terry" Zappi – South Florida
Also Joe the wop Gennaro was Manhattan based with some soldiers in Brooklyn, I think.
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HairyKnuckles wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:09 pm You´re missing Chris Furnari, Joe Rosato, Jimmy Plumeri, Joe Lagano and Ciro Giampola who was acting but I don´t know for whom.
Joe "Hooks" Capra acting for Santoro (who was in prison) and although Coco was considered for the top spot after Lucchese´s death doubtful if he was a captain in 1965 (he had been previously).

Thanks for the updates. I kind of rushed the Lucchese chart. I thought Tramunti took over for Rosato? Also I have Ciro Giampaolo (stepped down in 1960s) and Joseph Lagano as being in the same Crew (Prince Street, Manhattan). I wasn't sure if Funari was a Capo by 1965. Thought it might have been the late 60s.

Leo was succeeded by Tony "The Baker" Napolitano Sr after his death in 1965. This crew was mostly East Harlem/Queens based. Amodeo (Bronx based) was a captain already in 1957 when Scalise´s crew was split between Amodeo and Leo. Papa Dave still a captain in 1965.

I thought Napolitnao took over for Joseph Gambino after he was imprisoned in the early 80?


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B. wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:18 am Wasn't Marangello a captain then? I believe he took part of the Notaro crew but went with DiGregorio. This is the first I've seen Galante listed as a captain in the mid-1960s. Joe Notaro took over Galante's crew after he went to prison, but did something come out saying Galante kept his captain status under DiGregorio?

Marangello was a Capo in 1963 but stepped down. He was promoted to Capo again in 1967. I wasn't sure about Galante. I remember the informants saying Galante's rank in the 70s was Capo so I assumed he just kept it through the 60s even though he lost his crew after he went to prison.

Hailbritain wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:41 am Also wasn't Ralph "Whitey" Tropiano a Colombo capo in the mid 60s ??

He ran the Connecticut operations but was a Solider in the Forlano Crew.


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HairyKnuckles wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:09 pm Vincent Aloi was also a captain in 1965.

I have Aloi as Acting for Mussachio after Greca. Could have been in 1965 or a little later in the 60s. Thanks again for the info.


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I'm organizing everything into a spreadsheet. I'm trying to acquire everyone's address but if we have specific info (such as HK saying Angellino was on "187th Street and Crescent Avenue in the Bronx" or Pogo's "Joseph Lagano as being in the same Crew (Prince Street, Manhattan)" that will help me better place them as opposed to their addresses which could be misrepresenting seeing that many guys opted to "not shit where they eat."

1 If we can narrow down where each specific capo was operating from i.e. hq location that would be great.
2 Given that some of these names exist outside of New York, I may have to omit them. Not entirely sure yet.
3 This will take awhile.
4 Thanks for everyone's help.
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Chris Christie wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:56 am I'm organizing everything into a spreadsheet. I'm trying to acquire everyone's address but if we have specific info (such as HK saying Angellino was on "187th Street and Crescent Avenue in the Bronx" or Pogo's "Joseph Lagano as being in the same Crew (Prince Street, Manhattan)" that will help me better place them as opposed to their addresses which could be misrepresenting seeing that many guys opted to "not shit where they eat."

1 If we can narrow down where each specific capo was operating from i.e. hq location that would be great.
2 Given that some of these names exist outside of New York, I may have to omit them. Not entirely sure yet.
3 This will take awhile.
4 Thanks for everyone's help.
Is this gonna be a photo chart?
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Yeah, granted I can find them. There will most certainly be missing photos.
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Thanks for the updates. I kind of rushed the Lucchese chart. I thought Tramunti took over for Rosato? Also I have Ciro Giampaolo (stepped down in 1960s) and Joseph Lagano as being in the same Crew (Prince Street, Manhattan). I wasn't sure if Funari was a Capo by 1965. Thought it might have been the late 60s.
The Lucchese crew succession lines are very hard to figure out. JD identified Tramunti originally being under Paulie "Ham" Correale who died in 1962. But it´s unclear if he was made a skipper, taking over from Correale in 1962 or took over some other crew later on. Rosato was a skipper throughout the 1960s so Tramunti taking over from him seems to be incorrect. yes, Giampaola seems to have been in Lagano´s crew. He was originally from Little Italy (Lower Manhattan) but moved up to White Plains sometime around 1960. My thinking is that he temporarily served as acting captain for one of the crews based up in the Bronx, but I don´t know for which crew. Perhaps JD, if he has more info regarding this, can explain further?

Alex, Furnari is first identified/shows up on a FBI list as a captain in 1969. But they had a lot of wholes to fill on the lists previously made. We know that the Brooklyn crew once lead by Curiale was split between Vario and Furnari but we don´t know what year. By Al D´Arco´s wording, it sounds like Curiale retired in the very early 1960s so that would have been the time Furnari was upped.
I thought Napolitnao took over for Joseph Gambino after he was imprisoned in the early 80?
No. Several informants said Napolitano took over from Leo in 1965. You can find this on MF.
I have Aloi as Acting for Mussachio after Greca. Could have been in 1965 or a little later in the 60s. Thanks again for the info.
Mussachio´s crew was split three ways (in 1962): to Franzese, Colombo and a small portion stayed with Mussachio who became acting consigliere. Vinny Aloi was given command over this small portion on acting basis. In 1964, he was upped to official captain. Not sure when Joe Greca was acting skipper but possibly in the mid 1960s and not for whom. He had originally been under Mussachio so not sure. JD will have to chip in once again.
Also Joe the wop Gennaro was Manhattan based with some soldiers in Brooklyn, I think.
Yes, Gennaro was based on Mulberry Street in Little Italy.
Wasn't Vincent Gugliaro capo of what became the scarpati crew throughout the 60s and 70s ??
Gugliaro was upped to skipper in 1973 after being under Forlano. It appears that his crew was then taken away from him and was directly assaigned to Thomas DiBella but was allowed to keep one soldier. He was demoted in 1977 and put under Langella.
I will have to go back and read Bill Bonanno what he said but I think he was demoted due to him being found guilty in his drug case. Another informant (possibly Riccobene) said Galante was shelved and retired.
Bill Bonanno says that Galante was persona non grata after they had found out that he was involved with drug trafficking up in Montreal. No specific year is given.
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Thanks for the info. Another Gambino Capo we can add is Joseph “Gus” Colazzo – Brooklyn.


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Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:28 pm Thanks for the info. Another Gambino Capo we can add is Joseph “Gus” Colazzo – Brooklyn.


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I know the Riccobene doc you mean but he didn't have firsthand knowledge, just said Galante was in prison in Lewisburg and was likely "retired". It's incredible the level of infamy Galante had at the time; I've seen more than one example where they asked random informants in other cities if they had any info on him.

Pogo -- I hope we find out more about Galante's position as captain in the 1970s, i.e. whether he was promoted while still in jail or after his release, whether it was just an honorary title to appease him, who was in his crew (if anyone), etc. If he had anyone in his crew, Turano and Coppola (made or not) are candidates, though they could just as well have been with Galante's cousin Presenzano.

One more thing is I'm not totally confident Greco was the official Montreal captain then. In December 1964 he visited NYC for a meeting related to the changes in the Bonanno family. but the doc specifically says he was representing Cotroni. When they were both soldiers under Galante, they were said to head the west and east factions of the family. I think that Greco was likely an acting captain and faction representative in the 1960s like Violi was later. It could also be argued that Joe LoPresti held a similar role for Sciascia since he lived in the USA. Either way I am pretty sure Cotroni was the official captain from the early 1960s to the 1980s.
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Pogo, you can add these skippers for the Gambinos:

- Calogero "Lilo" DiCarlo (Lower East Side)
- Jimmy "Clam" Eppolito Sr
- Joe "Rivers" Silesi (Miami, Florida)
- Joseph Zingaro (Bronx/Westchester)
- Angelo "Cockeyed Angie" Mascia (Bronx/Westchester)
- Jimmy "Brown" Failla (Brooklyn) (acting for Ferarra)

And also:

- Not Sure about Fatico but it looks like he broke off from Caiazzo´s crew sometime later. He was identified as a captain for the first time in the early 1970s.
- John Riccobono most probably a skipper later on in the 1970s. He was never identified as a skipper in the 1960s.

Genoveses:

- Frasca´s crew was based in Lower East Side AND Brooklyn. His HQ was in Brooklyn. Larry Pisani acting for Frasca in around 1964/1965. Tony "Hickey" DiLorenzo acting for Frasca after Pisani but not sure when exactly.
- Harry Lanza (Lower East Side and Brooklyn). Toddo Marino probably (but not positively sure) acting for him.
- Rosario "Saro" Mogavero (Lower East Side). His drug conviction reversed in 1964 and case dismissed in 1967. Identified as an acting captain for Rocco Pellegrino. Pellegrino probably not active/fully retired at the time.
- Joe "Lefty" Loiacono Sr acting for Greco. Lapadura acting for Greco later in the 1970s too (they took terms).
- Frank Celano identified in 1964 as retired. However, he is listed as a captain again on the 1969 list.
- Genroso´s son Michael "Mickey Dimino" acting for him.
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HairyKnuckles wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:22 am Pogo, you can add these skippers for the Gambinos:

- Calogero "Lilo" DiCarlo (Lower East Side)
- Jimmy "Clam" Eppolito Sr
- Joe "Rivers" Silesi (Miami, Florida)
- Joseph Zingaro (Bronx/Westchester)
- Angelo "Cockeyed Angie" Mascia (Bronx/Westchester)
- Jimmy "Brown" Failla (Brooklyn) (acting for Ferarra)

And also:

- Not Sure about Fatico but it looks like he broke off from Caiazzo´s crew sometime later. He was identified as a captain for the first time in the early 1970s.
- John Riccobono most probably a skipper later on in the 1970s. He was never identified as a skipper in the 1960s.

Genoveses:

- Frasca´s crew was based in Lower East Side AND Brooklyn. His HQ was in Brooklyn. Larry Pisani acting for Frasca in around 1964/1965. Tony "Hickey" DiLorenzo acting for Frasca after Pisani but not sure when exactly.
- Harry Lanza (Lower East Side and Brooklyn). Toddo Marino probably (but not positively sure) acting for him.
- Rosario "Saro" Mogavero (Lower East Side). His drug conviction reversed in 1964 and case dismissed in 1967. Identified as an acting captain for Rocco Pellegrino. Pellegrino probably not active/fully retired at the time.
- Joe "Lefty" Loiacono Sr acting for Greco. Lapadura acting for Greco later in the 1970s too (they took terms).
- Frank Celano identified in 1964 as retired. However, he is listed as a captain again on the 1969 list.
- Genroso´s son Michael "Mickey Dimino" acting for him.
HK how would you rate the top five captains of the gambino fam? Joe Gennaro, Mike Caiazza, Peter Ferrara, Paul Castellano, Joe N Gallo, etc..
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I can´t rate or rank the crews. Power is an abstract thing, impossible to measure. How do you measure somebody´s closeness to the boss in relation to others? How can we possibly know what kind of money earned and what kind of rackets all crew members were involved with? How do we know who exactly was in which crew and the sizes of each crew? We don´t even have the full list of all made members. How strong was each member´s connection to the local police station? Who had local political protection and who had not? That´s impossible to know. How can we possibly know the mentality of each member, all their strengths and weaknesses? Relationships with the boss can turn sour or flower by time meaning it goes up and down. And so on... I can´t answer your question Alex.
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Yes but we can know Carlo's inner circle, can't we? Castellano, earlier Lombardozzi, ferrara, etc. And i'm sure you have an opinion of the top guys, I just don't why wont you share, but that's your answer and It is what it is. Thanks
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