Cleveland circa '65

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Chris Christie wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:12 pm Are these the proper spellings?
tony delguyd
Joe pereffete
Joseph Perfette
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Stroccos wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:31 am
FriendofFamily wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:57 am Hey Stroccos

I thought you had a picture of Carl Lafatch - I thought his obituary had it
I never looked for his obit so it very well may be there , Jcb did post of a picture of carl lafatch I saved it to a. Laptop that went down it won't start up . So unless jcb is willing to repost and let it be used for the chart I don't have it . I wouldn't use anyone else's pictures because it's possible they didn't want them shared . The only exception if it's from a newspaper or a mugshot . Also for this chart we will be using photos from a few books , mugshots , newspapers , old photos , facebooks, twitter , instagram etc
I just emailed you Carl LaFatch photo with his wife
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JCB1977 wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:02 am
Stroccos wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:31 am
FriendofFamily wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:57 am Hey Stroccos

I thought you had a picture of Carl Lafatch - I thought his obituary had it
I never looked for his obit so it very well may be there , Jcb did post of a picture of carl lafatch I saved it to a. Laptop that went down it won't start up . So unless jcb is willing to repost and let it be used for the chart I don't have it . I wouldn't use anyone else's pictures because it's possible they didn't want them shared . The only exception if it's from a newspaper or a mugshot . Also for this chart we will be using photos from a few books , mugshots , newspapers , old photos , facebooks, twitter , instagram etc
I just emailed you Carl LaFatch photo with his wife
thanks
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OK here is the Tony "Dope" Delsanter answer to his nickname.

I will place my comments in parentheses.

A little background for those who don't know the story.
My wife, who was Tony Delsanter's Girlfriend,worked at the Akron Sicilian Club along with her Main Job in Hospitality Management and traveled regionally.

She said that their was a big Argument between the Families (I assume Cleveland and Pittsburgh) and also internally between the Old Guard and the Younger Guys about dealing in Dope. Tony was absolutely dead set against it (as were others within the Cleveland Organization). The established guys wanted to stay in "Gambling, Prostitution, Prohibition" so they wouldn't draw the heat (Low Profile). Tony "The Dope was going to mess things up" Delsanter. (I don't know who gave him the name whether it was the Young guys ((Cleveland or Pittsburgh)) or Pittsburgh Family.) This story was told to her by Dominic J. Papa aka "Migo" at the Akron Sicilian Club.

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FriendofFamily wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:33 am OK here is the Tony "Dope" Delsanter answer to his nickname.

I will place my comments in parentheses.

A little background for those who don't know the story.
My wife, who was Tony Delsanter's Girlfriend,worked at the Akron Sicilian Club along with her Main Job in Hospitality Management and traveled regionally.

She said that their was a big Argument between the Families (I assume Cleveland and Pittsburgh) and also internally between the Old Guard and the Younger Guys about dealing in Dope. Tony was absolutely dead set against it (as were others within the Cleveland Organization). The established guys wanted to stay in "Gambling, Prostitution, Prohibition" so they wouldn't draw the heat (Low Profile). Tony "The Dope was going to mess things up" Delsanter. (I don't know who gave him the name whether it was the Young guys ((Cleveland or Pittsburgh)) or Pittsburgh Family.) This story was told to her by Dominic J. Papa aka "Migo" at the Akron Sicilian Club.

Now you know the REAL Story.
no disrepect to your wife , Well that is simply not the case , TOny dope was his nickname from Murray hill when he was a young kid
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Well I guess that what Migo from the Akron Sicilian Club said and he must not have been told the right story. So what is your source for this information? - just curious
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FriendofFamily wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:18 am Well I guess that what Migo from the Akron Sicilian Club said and he must not have been told the right story. So what is your source for this information? - just curious
the neighborhood, and I also have a few documents calling him the dope from the 30's
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OK - so lets go with this scenarios

1. Either Dominic J. Papa "Migo" was misinformed

OR

2. Migo was trying to Protect my Wife from thinking she was dating "A Dope" or someone that was dumb when he was a kid.

Then again possibly

A Third Scenario that Tony HATED the Name "Dope"
so he would say it was about Drugs and had that story told to people.

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Here is a picture of the Old Akron Sicilian Club in 1963.
It is located at 2346 Theiss Road in Northampton Township which later was annexed by the City of Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
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One of Akron's earlier bosses was Rosario Borgia
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JCB1977 wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:02 am One of Akron's earlier bosses was Rosario Borgia
Was he affiliated with anyone outside of Akron ? Or just a local gang leader
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Stroccos wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:12 am
JCB1977 wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:02 am One of Akron's earlier bosses was Rosario Borgia
Was he affiliated with anyone outside of Akron ? Or just a local gang leader
All I have is that he was a BH leader in Akron
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JCB1977 wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:03 am
Stroccos wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:12 am
JCB1977 wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:02 am One of Akron's earlier bosses was Rosario Borgia
Was he affiliated with anyone outside of Akron ? Or just a local gang leader
All I have is that he was a BH leader in Akron

Yeah that's all I have to , it seems the black hand was even down in portage county extorting farmers , I didn't realize they stretched into the sticks
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Borgia's story could be made in an action gangster/police movie imo. Really a "clever" idea: putting a bounty for every policeman killed...If he lived in the same time period as Toto' Riina, they would have become best friends probably.
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Dwalin2014 wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:38 pm Borgia's story could be made in an action gangster/police movie imo. Really a "clever" idea: putting a bounty for every policeman killed...If he lived in the same time period as Toto' Riina, they would have become best friends probably.

That's what I said to be A good movie !! , if I recall it was 150 a pop that's 2400 in today's dollars .
Do you happen know How many did he have killed ? I would have to reread he articles . I do have the some of the newspaper articles, I can post them to the forum if anyone is interested
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