Gangland news 14th sept 2017

[chubby]

I've always had the same view point as Cheech when it comes to the whole qd and his son. I think basciano was behind it.. but that's just my opinion. And it's not because I believe qd is some saint and Morally wouldn't do something like that. I just think it makes more sense that vinny and them did it on the sneak... even when massino asked vinny about it I felt like vinny was trying to deflect it onto quiet dom.. but who knows qd could have ordered it.. guess we will never really know... does anyone have a link to the cantarella tesrimony? Would love to read that. The Mikey scars and the rotondo one were great reads.

[Cheech]

If the feds and Capeci being convinced, and Massino confirming as much in court testimony, doesn't make you guys believe it, I'm not sure anything will.

It's almost like you don't want to believe it. At least that's the argument I've seen from many who question Cirillo's role in this. They think it's somehow unthinkable that he'd give the ok when all they're really doing is projecting their own viewpoint and morals onto him. That or they question it simply because Pizzaboy didn't believe it.

Sir. About 5 people said they didnt believe it and none for the reasons u suggest. Did you read the responses? No one said anything about QD not being able to do it and no one mentioned PB.
PB didnt get everything right and I didnt believe everything he said. My reasoning is simple. The Cantarrella transcript of him testifying.

We are keeping an open mind and you are not, sir.
I love the sentence "its almost like you dont want to believe it." Cause I can say to you "its almost like you want to believe it."

[Cheech]

I've always had the same view point as Cheech when it comes to the whole qd and his son. I think basciano was behind it.. but that's just my opinion. And it's not because I believe qd is some saint and Morally wouldn't do something like that. I just think it makes more sense that vinny and them did it on the sneak... even when massino asked vinny about it I felt like vinny was trying to deflect it onto quiet dom.. but who knows qd could have ordered it.. guess we will never really know... does anyone have a link to the cantarella tesrimony? Would love to read that. The Mikey scars and the rotondo one were great reads.

this is my opinion as well and i dont think its a crazy assumption.

re cantarella testimony - stroccos posted it in the fbi section. its a good read

[Wiseguy]

I agree that the Bonannos carried out the murder. But they did it with the ok of Cirillo.

And the reason I'm convinced of Cirillo's involvement is because the feds and Capeci are. And, as we've seen, those on the forums who make a habit of disagreeing with the feds or Capeci have ended up being wrong again and again.

[SonnyBlackstein]

I agree that the Bonannos carried out the murder. But they did it with the ok of Cirillo.

"That came from Dom, that came from Dom," said Basciano.
"Did we have anything to do with that?" asked Massino.
"Absolutely not," said Basciano.

Basciano states the B's had nothing to do with the hit. Why would you assume they did?

My point being we all pick and choose, make judgement calls, weigh evidence ourselves to a certain degree.

[Wiseguy]

I agree that the Bonannos carried out the murder. But they did it with the ok of Cirillo.

"That came from Dom, that came from Dom," said Basciano.
"Did we have anything to do with that?" asked Massino.
"Absolutely not," said Basciano.

Basciano states the B's had nothing to do with the hit. Why would you assume they did?

My point being we all pick and choose, make judgement calls, weigh evidence ourselves to a certain degree.

My thinking the Bonannos actually carrying out the hit is based on Pizzolo reportedly bragging about it. It's certainly possible the Genovese did the work themselves but it seems more likely the Bonannos did it.

As for the available evidence, whether the Bonannos killed him or not, let's not pretend it can go either way and so it's a toss up when it comes to Cirillo. Basciano said on tape that Cirillo gave the ok. Massino verified this is court. The FBI and Capeci agree.

Ignore it all if you want but there's nothing close in the way of evidence going the other way.

[The Greek]

There was an article a couple years ago about a Sicilian mom and sister who set up her son/brother to be murdered by the Mafia because he flipped. It's probably happened more times than we'd like to admit. I searched for the story but couldn't find it. If anyone has it please post
thanks
Greek

[SonnyBlackstein]

Who knows, we might get lucky and Cirillo writes a tell all on his death bed

[Pogo The Clown]

The fact that Dom Cicale and PJ Pisciotti didn't implicate Basciano as being the one behind it pretty much debunks that theory.


Pogo

[Fughedaboutit]

The fact that Dom Cicale and PJ Pisciotti didn't implicate Basciano as being the one behind it pretty much debunks that theory.


Pogo

Oh Basciano would never keep anything from his underlings?

Of course!

Why didnt we think of that!

[Pogo The Clown]

So lets disregard people who were involved and knew what happened like Massino, Cicale, Pisciotti and the other member informants from the period as well as the Feds and Capeci and just go with some baseless theory on the forums. Why didnt we think of that!


Pogo

[Stroccos]

So lets disregard people who were involved and knew what happened like Massino, Cicale, Pisciotti and the other member informants from the period as well as the Feds and Capeci and just go with some baseless theory on the forums. Why didnt we think of that!


Pogo

Well according to baisicno cicale and pizzolo Where the shooters of cirillio and the Feds neglected to mention this .

[Pogo The Clown]

I'm not arguing who did the actual killing just this idea that it was an unsanctioned hit by Basciano. A hit of this magnitude had to be sanctioned (and would have by the rules and politics) otherwise there would have been repercussions.


Pogo

[Stroccos]

I'm not arguing who did the actual killing just this idea that it was an unsanctioned hit by Basciano. A hit of this magnitude had to be sanctioned (and would have by the rules and politics) otherwise there would have been repercussions.


Pogo

Tell that to Paul Castellano.

[Pogo The Clown]

In that case Gotti got the OK from the Lucchese, Colombo and Bonanno families. Plus of course several of the top players in his own family. Even with that it still caused problems with several attempts being made on his life and the lives of his top guys.


Pogo