Cleveland Family hits after death of Scalish?

[Dwalin2014]

Then who was the killer anyway? You said it was a known robber, what's his name? Was he a made member or associate? Can't find anything online, all articles I get say Lenny Strollo ordered it, but you say he didn't, and the articles don't name the triggerman anyway.

[FriendofHenry]

Then who was the killer anyway? You said it was a known robber, what's his name? Was he a made member or associate? Can't find anything online, all articles I get say Lenny Strollo ordered it, but you say he didn't, and the articles don't name the triggerman anyway.

Reread the posts between Stroccos and myself above and I'm sure you'll figure it out for yourself.

[Dwalin2014]

Amil, you say. Amil Dinsio comes up on google, the one from the 1972 burglary/robbery...But was he made or associate?

By the way, please correct me if I am wrong: was Strollo himself even a capo? I remember somebody said on one of the forums he was formally a soldier, even though he controlled Youngstown. But then why not promoting him to capo, due to the "lucrative piece" he had, and which capo did he report to?
On the other hand, Harry Riccobene in Philly, he was a soldier too, I think? Still, he controlled almost an independent family, didn't even share profits with the bosses until Scarfo (sorry if this is off-topic, but imo Riccobene's position was in some way similar to Strollo's, due to low formal rank but important position in reality).

[FriendofHenry]

Amil was always an independent contractor. Neither made or even an associate.

I never heard the tern Capo used when referring to either Lenny or Joey. I always understood they were both the boss of the Mahoning Valley.
Go Figure.

[Ivan]

Amil was always an independent contractor. Neither made or even an associate.

I never heard the tern Capo used when referring to either Lenny or Joey. I always understood they were both the boss of the Mahoning Valley.
Go Figure.

What FriendofHenry is saying is correct. Amil D'Insio killed Naples on his own without being told to by anyone. He apparently thought it would impress Strollo and make him move up in the underworld. That's probably one of the weirdest motives for a hit I've ever heard, but that's what the evidence points to. Even Strollo himself, who openly admitted to everything (even participating in the Charles Carabbia hit), was adamant that he had nothing to do with the Naples hit.

Strollo was never above the rank of soldier "officially", but was roughly equivalent to a capo in power. I think his formal capo might have been Zebo himself, but I'm not sure if that's true or if even Zebo was a capo. What do you think, FoH?

Dwalin all that stuff on the internet about Strollo killing Naples was based on assumptions about what people thought was the "obvious" reason for the hit and was never corrected by those online sources.

[Ivan]

Diamond Jim Vinci was whacked In the mid eighties

Who's that? I've never heard of this guy.

[Dwalin2014]

What FriendofHenry is saying is correct. Amil D'Insio killed Naples on his own without being told to by anyone. He apparently thought it would impress Strollo and make him move up in the underworld. That's probably one of the weirdest motives for a hit I've ever heard, but that's what the evidence points to.

I agree it's one of the weirdest moves ever. If I was in his place, I honestly would rather expect ending up in the same way as Caponigro did for killing Bruno, rather than a reward. Even if Strollo would be happy that Naples is dead, why would he openly support it? It would be much easier for him to blame it on the lone gunman (which would be true) and to say "how sorry he is for the loss", to "pretend friendship" with Naples' group, but then to take over his rackets. By the way, seriously, why wasn't Dinsio killed? Killing a mafioso without any mafia authorization, and outliving it, this is even weirder than the motive itself imo.....

[Stroccos]

Diamond Jim Vinci was whacked In the mid eighties

Who's that? I've never heard of this guy.

He was killed a day or so before he was set to testify against some mafia connected guys .double murder execution style with one of his employees at his bar

[furiofromnaples]

I must admit that Furio posted some really good stuff However Joey Naples was not a "mob hit" engineered by Lenny Strollo.
Joey was shot by a local bank robber, one of the best in the country, to gain favor with Lenny. This was not ordered by Lenny!

Yeah furio nice breakdown
Mike roman wasn't a mob hit , he muscled up on a few homies and got his ass shot

http://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_231.html

Iacobacci and Calabrese served their times and were out of prison by the early 1990s, about the same time Weisenbach walked free. According to federal sources, boss Iacobacci and associate Calabrese went right back to rebuilding the Cleveland Mafia, which was decimated by deaths and imprisonments from the 1970s war with Greene and the 1980s collapse of Zagaria’s drug ring. One of the ingredients needed to rebuild the Cleveland mob was money, which Iacobacci and Calabrese allegedly hoped to steal from the New Jersey banks.

According to the FBI, Iacobacci was to use his influence with Mafia figures in New Jersey to open large bank accounts. Allegedly, one of his friends is Philip C. Abramo, a high-ranking member of the New Jersey-based DeCavalcante crime family and a man whose tentacles extend into Wall Street’s financial circles.

[...]

Sources say, however, that Weisenbach had become a snitch for the feds, in exchange for a reduced prison sentence. Those same sources said Iacobacci found about Weisenbach becoming an informant, and Loose wanted him killed. But Weisenbach had a protector in Calabrese. They reportedly were friends -- Calabrese considered Weisenbach to be solid and reliable. Calabrese apparently didn’t believe Iacobacci’s contention that Weisenbach was the snitch, and a rift formed between the two mobsters. Finally, the sources allege Weisenbach was the friend walking with Roman shortly before Roman was gunned down.

Though it is not certain why Roman was killed instead of Weisenbach, it appears that Iacobacci was willing to spare the life of Calabrese’s friend, but still wanted to scare Weisenbach silent. Bulgin could not be reached for comment whether he did Iacobacci’s bidding. If sources are correct, Roman did nothing to anger anyone or otherwise cause his murder except that he was walking with the wrong person at the wrong time.

Great breakdown, Furio! I presume that Strollo's mini-rampage in 1996 isn't included because those were internal Pittsburgh matters?

I'm searching infos for a Pittsburgh family hits list.

[FriendofHenry]

Amil was always an independent contractor. Neither made or even an associate.

I never heard the tern Capo used when referring to either Lenny or Joey. I always understood they were both the boss of the Mahoning Valley.
Go Figure.

What FriendofHenry is saying is correct. Amil D'Insio killed Naples on his own without being told to by anyone. He apparently thought it would impress Strollo and make him move up in the underworld. That's probably one of the weirdest motives for a hit I've ever heard, but that's what the evidence points to. Even Strollo himself, who openly admitted to everything (even participating in the Charles Carabbia hit), was adamant that he had nothing to do with the Naples hit.

Strollo was never above the rank of soldier "officially", but was roughly equivalent to a capo in power. I think his formal capo might have been Zebo himself, but I'm not sure if that's true or if even Zebo was a capo. What do you think, FoH?

Dwalin all that stuff on the internet about Strollo killing Naples was based on assumptions about what people thought was the "obvious" reason for the hit and was never corrected by those online sources.

The question as to weather or not Henry was a made man has been discussed more than once. Here's what I know: He never wanted that "thing" (being made) because it brought too much extra "heat" with it. When Michael began to be concerned with Lenny and needed Henry to look over him, he knew that the only way Lenny would comply would be if Henry was made. I know nothing about any ceremony or anything like that. I also had dinner with Henry and Bernie at my place where Bernie congratulated him for now being the man.

Although I never heard of Henry being referred to as "Capo" it is only logical that after Chucky Porter got sentenced that the only other person that Michael would trust to be his "Man" on the streets would have been Henry. I also know that Henry was in town a couple of times a week instead on a couple of times a month. FWIW: JCB also agrees with all the above based on him logic assesment of the Mohoning Valley rackets.

[Stroccos]

I must admit that Furio posted some really good stuff However Joey Naples was not a "mob hit" engineered by Lenny Strollo.
Joey was shot by a local bank robber, one of the best in the country, to gain favor with Lenny. This was not ordered by Lenny!

Yeah furio nice breakdown
Mike roman wasn't a mob hit , he muscled up on a few homies and got his ass shot

http://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_231.html

Iacobacci and Calabrese served their times and were out of prison by the early 1990s, about the same time Weisenbach walked free. According to federal sources, boss Iacobacci and associate Calabrese went right back to rebuilding the Cleveland Mafia, which was decimated by deaths and imprisonments from the 1970s war with Greene and the 1980s collapse of Zagaria’s drug ring. One of the ingredients needed to rebuild the Cleveland mob was money, which Iacobacci and Calabrese allegedly hoped to steal from the New Jersey banks.

According to the FBI, Iacobacci was to use his influence with Mafia figures in New Jersey to open large bank accounts. Allegedly, one of his friends is Philip C. Abramo, a high-ranking member of the New Jersey-based DeCavalcante crime family and a man whose tentacles extend into Wall Street’s financial circles.

[...]

Sources say, however, that Weisenbach had become a snitch for the feds, in exchange for a reduced prison sentence. Those same sources said Iacobacci found about Weisenbach becoming an informant, and Loose wanted him killed. But Weisenbach had a protector in Calabrese. They reportedly were friends -- Calabrese considered Weisenbach to be solid and reliable. Calabrese apparently didn’t believe Iacobacci’s contention that Weisenbach was the snitch, and a rift formed between the two mobsters. Finally, the sources allege Weisenbach was the friend walking with Roman shortly before Roman was gunned down.

Though it is not certain why Roman was killed instead of Weisenbach, it appears that Iacobacci was willing to spare the life of Calabrese’s friend, but still wanted to scare Weisenbach silent. Bulgin could not be reached for comment whether he did Iacobacci’s bidding. If sources are correct, Roman did nothing to anger anyone or otherwise cause his murder except that he was walking with the wrong person at the wrong time.

Great breakdown, Furio! I presume that Strollo's mini-rampage in 1996 isn't included because those were internal Pittsburgh matters?

I'm searching infos for a Pittsburgh family hits list.

Roman was a loud mouth punk trying to flex his beer muscles on a group of black guys . he repeapetely fuck with these guys a few times that night . after he did it one times to many one of them shot him . That is what often happens to wannabes they usually just take a beating but in this case he got killed.

The same guy claims loose took out Allie in prison , so why would he spare some Jew rat piece of shiit? And kill roman? And on top of that kill Allie ? It's A great story , maybe Paul thought he was shot by the mob I don't buy it . After all they didn't arrest the shooter for 5 years after . When someone who was there flipped .

[Ivan]

The same guy claims loose took out Allie in prison , so why would he spare some Jew rat piece of shiit?

So you don't think Loose killed Allie? (I don't, either.)

[furiofromnaples]

There is a great list of all the OC related murders in Cleveland-Ohio during the 70s-80s period in the 25 Years After Valachi book. From what I remember it puts Philly during the same period to shame.

Wow, this makes me even prouder to be an Ohioan.

Seriously though, looking at that list, it's about on par with Philly from the Chicken Man through Frankie Flowers, but in a much smaller family, so if you "adjust" for the size difference, then yes this is much "worse" than Philly in that era.

The Naples/Carabbia war especially was pretty effing nasty.

http://www.nytimes.com/1983/02/22/us/cl ... ml?mcubz=3

The Cleveland family in 15 years (1976-1991) lost dozen of made men and associates but what isn't show in the Kill the Irishman movie is that the family recovered in some way by the war against Greene and Nardi but in 1983 Carmen Zagaria an associate that runned a 15 milion a year drug ring turned state's evidence and accused the capo Joseph Gallo that was recorded by the FBI so how rebuilt the family with a large drug bussiness; before come Angelo Leonardo and at the end of 1980s NY put a freeze on making new guys.
On other hand the Philly mob after Scarfo and first Merlino reign in 1990s was stabilized by Uncle Joe Ligambi and more tough scarfo era guys went out and rebuilt the ranks and even more people was killed or flips from the Bruno dead at the end,the family can replace the made men.

[Ivan]

The Cleveland family in 15 years (1976-1991) lost dozen of made men and associates but what isn't show in the Kill the Irishman movie

That movie sucked. Worst case of an excellent cast wasted on shitty writing and direction I've ever seen.

Danny Greene is one of the most overrated mobsters ever. I will concede that he was extremely tough, but other than that there was nothing really special about him as an organized crime figure as far as I know.

[Stroccos]

The same guy claims loose took out Allie in prison , so why would he spare some Jew rat piece of shiit?

So you don't think Loose killed Allie? (I don't, either.)

I don't think so , I know who the guy was that Allie fought I belive he was from Youngstown or Akron can't remember off the top of my head . someone I been emailing with was working on a piece on the Cleveland mob is going write about this . So I don't want to spoil his article .
I don't know for sure , just my opinion that he had nothing to do with it , Allie was a bully I know a few complete civilians he worked over for no reason at all . he was fuckimg with a younger guy who beat his ass . As a result of those injuries and his various health ailments he died . If this was a hit why wasn't the guy charged ? I believe Prison officials concluded probably felt it was in self defense.

For all th praise he gets , he wasn't very smart , spent half his life in prison , .
It's not at of the realm of possibility that a loose would want him dead. He was dogging loose on the wire tapes . Brought around a informant , many belive loose was behind it , it wouldn't surprise me if he was , IMO I just don't belive it