Ontario facing a mob war like Montreal ?

[Laurentian]

In the recent years, several violent incidents linked to the Mafia have struck the Greater Toronto Area.

Are these incidents a consequence of the long and not finished war that it has been raging in Montreal? That is possible.

Here are two articles that relate the latest incidents in Toronto area.

https://news.vice.com/story/ontario-may ... -a-mob-war

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/7529 ... 4Y.twitter

[Laurentian]

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2017 ... month.html

[Lupara]

If this isn't a full fledged war then I don't know.

The question is between who. What do you think Laurentian?

[BeatiPaoli]

To Laurentian and Lupara: The whole Rizzuto/ndrangheta thing is confusing to me. But I am curious regarding these latest incidents: have the Cuntreras/Caruanas lost respect and or power either locally in Canada, or with the brotherhood in Sicily back home??? Challenges to their position and authority were unthinkable at one time. Your thoughts?

Regards,
BeatiPaoli

[Frank]

Even Toto Reina didn't mess with them.

[Laurentian]

To Laurentian and Lupara: The whole Rizzuto/ndrangheta thing is confusing to me. But I am curious regarding these latest incidents: have the Cuntreras/Caruanas lost respect and or power either locally in Canada, or with the brotherhood in Sicily back home??? Challenges to their position and authority were unthinkable at one time. Your thoughts?

Regards,
BeatiPaoli

BeatiPaoli,

First to reassure you, you are not the only one to be confused with the mafia situation that is going now in Canada in recent years. I, as a researcher on this, I have been left many times not only confused but perplexe about it.

I think the mafia in Canada has been going through several and deep transformation changes in recent years, and all this is far not to be over it yet.

This is a very complex situation and I am not going to go through any guessing or speculations of all sorts as I am accustomed to hear. But the least I can say safely is that I am in the opinion the mafia groups in Canada are going through a major switch in the mode of their operations here, and the stakes of all of it is above all drug trafficking, which are the only issues that the 'Ndrangheta (Calabria) and Cosa Nostra (Italy) organizations are fighting for the supremacy and full control this racket in North America, which is of course the USA market. In other words, Canada is (now with Ontario) a battle ground for this.

And when a changing of the guard is occurring, all groupes including even the old guard like the sons of the Cuntreras whose their fathers, once exiled to Venezuala, are too in the target.

And all this earthquake started on January 20, 2004, when Montréal police knocked at the door of the residence of the then, most powerful and influent Cosa Nostra cosca leader of that time, Vito Rizzuto. From thereon, the basement of that organization started fissuring.

We know what happened then afterward.

[scagghiuni]

Even Toto Reina didn't mess with them.

no, riina ordered the murder of leonardo caruana in 1981 because the caruana'cuntrera's refused to divide part of their drug earnings with him and when he became officially boss of bosses he asked a big amount of drug money made by them

[Laurentian]

Here is a summary (in Italian) of this so-called war raging in Canada among Sicilian and Calabresi clan.


http://www.gazzettadelsud.it/news/home/ ... refresh_ce

[BeatiPaoli]

To Laurentian: Thank you for the knowledgable and balanced reply. I guess and assume all is up for grabs. And--while this may be my own personal brand of academic naivete on the subject matter--I am surprised the Cupola of Cosa Nostra and the Crimini of Ndrangheta have not "discussed" this together amongst themselves to some extent to mitigate the lethal (and high-profile publicity) events in Canada.

Regards,
BeatiPaoli

[Laurentian]

To Laurentian: Thank you for the knowledgable and balanced reply. I guess and assume all is up for grabs. And--while this may be my own personal brand of academic naivete on the subject matter--I am surprised the Cupola of Cosa Nostra and the Crimini of Ndrangheta have not "discussed" this together amongst themselves to some extent to mitigate the lethal (and high-profile publicity) events in Canada.

Regards,
BeatiPaoli

BeatiPaoli,

You make a good point about whether or not there have been a possible mitigation between Cosa Nostra and 'Ndrangheta governments.

[Laurentian]

Kitchener man arrested in Vaughan bakery bombing


https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/0 ... mbing.html

[scagghiuni]

i don't think the sicilian mafia in sicily discussed about it , the ndrangheta probably yes because the siderno group is still strongly linked with calabria
the montreal family was more linked to the bonanno's than sicilian mafia, so it's not a problem for sicilians and the caruana-cuntrera's have little links to sicily currently

[MarcoW]

The Ndrangheta Clans are the new Strong and Powerful Italian Mafia Organisation this Times and in the Future.

The Rizuttos they were once maybe the Richest and strongest Mafia Family in North America have no Chance against the Calabrian Clans. This Guys have More Money, more Power Worldwide, more in the Drug Business, more contacs to other Criminal Organisations, and a lot more secretive as the Sicily Guys.

[MarcoW]

Also the Caruana/Cuntreras i think is more a Power from the Past, not the Future.

[scagghiuni]

the rizzuto clan is not anymore what it used to be but it is still there after 7 years of mafia war and it can still revenges murders
also, i don't think is a ndrangheta vs mafia thing, it's more complex, the ndrangheta is maybe involved, but mostly in montreal is internal thing
the ndrangheta is currently the strongest criminal group, it doesn't mean it would be in the future too, the ndrangheta has been weakened by police arrests in italy in the latests years just like camorra and sicilian mafia, just a matter of time