Cleveland circa '65

[FriendofHenry]

I believe that Charlie was always Pittsburgh. Friendly with Cleveland, especially Tony Delsanter, but not associated.

[Angelo Santino]

I believe that Charlie was always Pittsburgh. Friendly with Cleveland, especially Tony Delsanter, but not associated.

I'd also believe that to be the case. Family switching pretty much died down in the 1930's. PT's territory always bled into eastern Ohio going back to the first decade of the 1900's. I think that's why Pittsburgh 'members' like Mallamo, Romeo and Tripodi were misidentified as being with Cleveland because they were operating in and from the state of Ohio.

[Stroccos]

I believe that Charlie was always Pittsburgh. Friendly with Cleveland, especially Tony Delsanter, but not associated.

I'd also believe that to be the case. Family switching pretty much died down in the 1930's. PT's territory always bled into eastern Ohio going back to the first decade of the 1900's. I think that's why Pittsburgh 'members' like Mallamo, Romeo and Tripodi were misidentified as being with Cleveland because they were operating in and from the state of Ohio.

If tripodi was with Pittsburgh why would he be kicking up in scalish ?

[Angelo Santino]

I believe that Charlie was always Pittsburgh. Friendly with Cleveland, especially Tony Delsanter, but not associated.

I'd also believe that to be the case. Family switching pretty much died down in the 1930's. PT's territory always bled into eastern Ohio going back to the first decade of the 1900's. I think that's why Pittsburgh 'members' like Mallamo, Romeo and Tripodi were misidentified as being with Cleveland because they were operating in and from the state of Ohio.

If tripodi was with Pittsburgh why would he be kicking up in scalish ?

I don't know, joint venture or closeness to Milano like Mallamo was. I've seen FBI files from MF which stated the same.

[Stroccos]

I believe that Charlie was always Pittsburgh. Friendly with Cleveland, especially Tony Delsanter, but not associated.

I'd also believe that to be the case. Family switching pretty much died down in the 1930's. PT's territory always bled into eastern Ohio going back to the first decade of the 1900's. I think that's why Pittsburgh 'members' like Mallamo, Romeo and Tripodi were misidentified as being with Cleveland because they were operating in and from the state of Ohio.

If tripodi was with Pittsburgh why would he be kicking up in scalish ?

I don't know, joint venture or closeness to Milano like Mallamo was. I've seen FBI files from MF which stated the same.

Makes sense , I was wrong on this one, I never really cared about stubenville so I never really dug into tripodi on there. Just figured he was with Cleveland because they were sending Dino c up with the kick . Still like to get his picture though guys a ghost lol

[FriendofHenry]

I recall that JCB may have had a picture of Tripodi had a picture of him. Maybe in a FBI doc?

[Angelo Santino]

I believe that Charlie was always Pittsburgh. Friendly with Cleveland, especially Tony Delsanter, but not associated.

I'd also believe that to be the case. Family switching pretty much died down in the 1930's. PT's territory always bled into eastern Ohio going back to the first decade of the 1900's. I think that's why Pittsburgh 'members' like Mallamo, Romeo and Tripodi were misidentified as being with Cleveland because they were operating in and from the state of Ohio.

If tripodi was with Pittsburgh why would he be kicking up in scalish ?

I don't know, joint venture or closeness to Milano like Mallamo was. I've seen FBI files from MF which stated the same.

Makes sense , I was wrong on this one, I never really cared about stubenville so I never really dug into tripodi on there. Just figured he was with Cleveland because they were sending Dino c up with the kick . Still like to get his picture though guys a ghost lol

There was an informant who provided information which was a good "view from the ground" in Youngstown but was misleading when it came to who was with who, especially leaders. For instance, he ID'd Milano as the top boss in Ohio and Scalish to be his patsy, among other things.

I actually might make a chart of what this informant labeled because it is interesting. Licavoli-Besase and another figure were supposed to have been leaders of one group whereas Milano-DeAugustini were leaders of another group etc. It's all factually incorrect but interesting none the less.

[Angelo Santino]

I recall that JCB may have had a picture of Tripodi had a picture of him. Maybe in a FBI doc?

Quattrone I believe. I think we still yet to get a photo of Tripodi.

[Angelo Santino]

"Stoogie" De Saro, who was "under' Tripodi is still alive- in his 80's I think, you could reach out and ask him his take on who Tripodi was with.

[Stroccos]

"Stoogie" De Saro, who was "under' Tripodi is still alive- in his 80's I think, you could reach out and ask him his take on who Tripodi was with.

Is he still in stuebenville ?

[Angelo Santino]

I'm not certain. JCB would know.

[Stroccos]

Another interesting thing or at least interesting to me , I showed this list to another guy who researches the topic , he pointed out that Ralph carpinelli was also listed as a Detroit member, he was apparently jailed for life ??
He is listed as a Cleveland member in the chart presented at the valchie 25 years later . The only reference I found to Ralph carpinelli was some brief snippet about some union . Now I am questioning if that's the same Ralph carpinelli .

He also raised questions about the DeJanero being with Cleveland .

[Angelo Santino]

Another interesting thing or at least interesting to me , I showed this list to another guy who researches the topic , he pointed out that Ralph carpinelli was also listed as a Detroit member, he was apparently jailed for life ??
He is listed as a Cleveland member in the chart presented at the valchie 25 years later . The only reference I found to Ralph carpinelli was some brief snippet about some union . Now I am questioning if that's the same Ralph carpinelli .

He also raised questions about the DeJanero being with Cleveland .

Interesting because both Detroit and Cleveland Italian communities were linked in 1910, there was even a murder committed by people with surnames you generally see in the Detroit LCN in Woodland. I can't really make heads or tails of it. And then there's the 1930's Youngstown War which evidently involved Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Buffalo in their own inter-family war largely overshadowed by the more popular Cast. War of NYC.

When it comes to Pittsburgh and Cleveland, the 20's and 30's are good fkn question, I don't truly believe anyone has written the definitive end all to those cities and their respective eras. And given how each family extended into overlapping territory with the families around them, I'm open to reevaluating everything we think we know and try and confirm it. There are FBI reports in the 1980's that cite Dominic Mallamo as an inactive Cleveland member, which we know not to be the case (not in the 1960's anyway).

I was going to ask some questions about the 70's but I'll do it in the other thread.

[FriendofFamily]

I just want for you to consider that when placing this chart together that some information in the MF file/FBI File is not correct. Certain informants were deliberately giving out false and misleading information to the FBI so to protect the hierarchy of the organization. I think there are some of us know a certain thing or two that is true and that the FBI was mislead into believing something else. Overall I don't think it will affect the Chart too much but in other detailed discussions it does. Just my Opinion

[Stroccos]

all these guys are associates
Carmen perfette warren no photo
James Cononico warren
salvatore calarco cleveland
ernest chickeno cleveland
John b conte cleveland
joseph blank cleveland no photo
charles grisham warren
james blank cleveland no photo
albert kotach cleveland
Salvatore Vecchio cleveland