Cleveland circa '65

[Ivan]

I never looked for his obit so it very well may be there , Jcb did post of a picture of carl lafatch I saved it to a. Laptop that went down it won't start up .

You can go to a computer repair shop and have them recover the data onto a USB drive or external hard drive or another laptop or something. That "DOS Boot" place in Columbus did it for me after I accidentally dumped beer all over my old laptop.

[Angelo Santino]

Are we set on Cleveland city associates? I'm at that level. I'll hold off until you give the go-ahead.

[Stroccos]

Are we set on Cleveland city associates? I'm at that level. I'll hold off until you give the go-ahead.

There are still more to add , I was checking to see when some died and marking there rackets and rounding up the pics . I get it completed in the next day or so

[Angelo Santino]

Are we set on Cleveland city associates? I'm at that level. I'll hold off until you give the go-ahead.

There are still more to add , I was checking to see when some died and marking there rackets and rounding up the pics . I get it completed in the next day or so

Alright, you can start emailing the photos whenever. If you could start with the soldiers first that'll work. Spoke to JCB he'll provide Carl Lafatch.

[FriendofFamily]

Make sure you use my picture that I provided for Tony LaFatch. He liked that picture of himself. He had one in his office that he liked better but that thing was like 2'x3' hanging in his office.

[FriendofFamily]

Remember Carl Lafatch was working at Castle Music during 1965 - just another tidbit that I posted awhile back

[FriendofFamily]

POGO and Chris - Why no Pat Ferruccio from Canton?
I believe he may have started out with Cleveland but he was Consigilere with Pittsburgh when I met him.

In April 1965 Pat with his brother started Liberty Vending. He was connected to Cleveland through Akron early, as I understand it, (I think he then started paying direct to Cleveland because of a cut from Akron wasn't acceptable). But I don't know when he transitioned to Pittsburgh. I am pretty sure he was with Pittsburgh by 1979-1980 time when I dealt with him. He didn't move up to Consigliere until much later in Pittsburgh. Pat's Attorney was a good friend of my Wife and I. Who also was Tony Arnone's Attorney when Joey Gallo and others got busted in the Gambling houses in 1981.

[FriendofFamily]

Interesting tidbit: Carl Lafatch lived exactly one block over from my Mom and Dad's house and on the block on the other side of Carl LaFatch my brother lived on the other side. My nieces and nephew would cut through there to see my Mom and Dad. I don't remember ever meeting him.

Did you ever meet Paul demaio ? He owed ameritrmps

No I don't remember meeting him, I may have, but I do know of someone (currently lives in Chicago and used to live in Akron) that hung around with him a lot and drove him where he needed to be. He told me of the various kicking up from Jimmy Lafatch and Construction Companies and Labor. Also using his company for various activities. I learned about the women who cook for him and did his hair, nails, and massages. Get his newspaper etc. He lived with his daughter in Tallmadge in later years. He got in trouble for Food Stamp/Welfare fraud.

Welfare fraud guess he was always on the hustle . I was told by a few he was made and by others he wasn't made. I have seen one mention on madryferral of him being a member. he was involded in gambling and armed robberies in his younger years .

Are you referring to this link about being part of the Cleveland LCN and being with associated with LEO Moceri?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 3&tab=page

[Stroccos]

Interesting tidbit: Carl Lafatch lived exactly one block over from my Mom and Dad's house and on the block on the other side of Carl LaFatch my brother lived on the other side. My nieces and nephew would cut through there to see my Mom and Dad. I don't remember ever meeting him.

Did you ever meet Paul demaio ? He owed ameritrmps

No I don't remember meeting him, I may have, but I do know of someone (currently lives in Chicago and used to live in Akron) that hung around with him a lot and drove him where he needed to be. He told me of the various kicking up from Jimmy Lafatch and Construction Companies and Labor. Also using his company for various activities. I learned about the women who cook for him and did his hair, nails, and massages. Get his newspaper etc. He lived with his daughter in Tallmadge in later years. He got in trouble for Food Stamp/Welfare fraud.

Welfare fraud guess he was always on the hustle . I was told by a few he was made and by others he wasn't made. I have seen one mention on madryferral of him being a member. he was involded in gambling and armed robberies in his younger years .

Are you referring to this link about being part of the Cleveland LCN and being with associated with LEO Moceri?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 3&tab=page

yes that's the one ,

[FriendofHenry]

POGO and Chris - Why no Pat Ferruccio from Canton?
I believe he may have started out with Cleveland but he was Consigilere with Pittsburgh when I met him.

In April 1965 Pat with his brother started Liberty Vending. He was connected to Cleveland through Akron early, as I understand it, (I think he then started paying direct to Cleveland because of a cut from Akron wasn't acceptable). But I don't know when he transitioned to Pittsburgh. I am pretty sure he was with Pittsburgh by 1979-1980 time when I dealt with him. He didn't move up to Consigliere until much later in Pittsburgh. Pat's Attorney was a good friend of my Wife and I. Who also was Tony Arnone's Attorney when Joey Gallo and others got busted in the Gambling houses in 1981.

The first time I met Pat I was with Henry and we met him at Lenny's Motel/Restaurant in North Lima, Ohio. It was in the early 80's and for sure he was with Pittsburgh then.

[FriendofHenry]

I looked at some old photos and I first met Pat in the late 70s. Sorry 'bout that

[Antiliar]

FYI the consigliere under Al Polizzi in the 1940s was Tommaso Argento.

[Angelo Santino]

FYI the consigliere under Al Polizzi in the 1940s was Tommaso Argento.

Interesting that he moved to Lima during the Scalish years.

[Stroccos]

FYI the consigliere under Al Polizzi in the 1940s was Tommaso Argento.

Interesting that he moved to Lima during the Scalish years.

He was dubbed the grand counseler does that translate to consigliere ?.
I have thought that my self but not 100'percent sure
According to a interview he did with the FBI , he moved to Cleveland in 1932 from Pittsburgh . Argento moved to Youngstown in 1941 and in 1943 moved to Lima until he was arrested 1955 for a murder in Sicily from1922 , he beat the deportation case and I think was pretty much retired after that . I believe he lived in Cleveland and Lima from then . So I believe he was basically semi retired by the mid sixties . So that's I said Cleveland and Lima but he may of been living in Cleveland in 65 and only visiting Lima for bread periods

[Angelo Santino]

FYI the consigliere under Al Polizzi in the 1940s was Tommaso Argento.

Interesting that he moved to Lima during the Scalish years.

He was dubbed the grand counseler does that translate to consigliere ?.
I have thought that my self but not 100'percent sure
According to a interview he did with the FBI , he moved to Cleveland in 1932 from Pittsburgh . Argento moved to Youngstown in 1941 and in 1943 moved to Lima until he was arrested 1955 for a murder in Sicily from1922 , he beat the deportation case and I think was pretty much retired after that . I believe he lived in Cleveland and Lima from then . So I believe he was basically semi retired by the mid sixties . So that's I said Cleveland and Lima but he may of been living in Cleveland in 65 and only visiting Lima for bread periods

I'd argue also that it translates to consig. Argento moving around is interesting but not unexpected. Kinda coincides with several of CL and PT's "early" Sicilians, who also moved around. Both cities have traditionally been connected. Nick Gentile claims to have been a member of both families at different times. Charles Imburglia is suspected of having been previously affiliated with Cleveland.